BlindBoo
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Who said arguing was attempting to silence?
Attempting to silence is attempting to silence. Again you show you have no grasp of the language.
Examples?
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Who said arguing was attempting to silence?
Attempting to silence is attempting to silence. Again you show you have no grasp of the language.
Sure they all share the same economic ideas.
Well . . . no, actually. But that doesn't seem to be what you're talking about here, so I'll let it slide for now.
But Liberalisms social ideas make it far more dangerous than either Communism or Socialism.
.Hmm. Well, let's consider some of modern liberalism's social ideas. (I'll skip those of the past, like universal education or the abolition of slavery, and concentrate only on the ones emerging only in the 20th and 21st centuries.)
That men and women should be equal before the law, in voting and other political rights, and in economic opportunity.
Im guessing you are referring to abortion. I would need you to clarify that. However, if you are talking about abortion, then yes that is an example. That is what Im talking about. Liberals say it is not the womans fault she got pregnant so she should not feel bad about having an abortion. Most time it is her fault she got pregnant so yes she should feel bad for aborting an unborn child. If a man walks up and punches a pregnant woman in the stomach killing the baby they want to charge murder. If a woman punches herself in the stomach, they call it abortion. [/quote]That women should control their own sexuality and reproduction rather than having it be controlled by men.
Again Liberals of past were for slavery and segregation. You cant have it both ways. You can not have them for it in the past then once change occurs take credit for it. Now forcing someone into slavery or segregation that would be Liberal.That everyone should be treated equally before the law, and have equal economic opportunity, regardless of race.
Yes trying to force others to do things that are damaging economically because of un-proven theory. Yes that is Liberal for you. Just like the Eugenics movement. No evidence but willingness to push it on everyone.That the earth we live on is finite in its capacity to support life, and should be treated with respect and proper, responsible husbandry, not merely used for a quick profit.
Yes excellent example. Liberal feeling it is needed for them to force their views on others. Forcing others not to practice their religion freely and openly and instead behind closed doors. For someone to practice their faith is not killing someone elses faith. You just wish for show your power. I myself and agnostic but I feel it is everyones right to believe what they want and their right to prey or worship anywhere they want as long as it does not break our laws.That in a free society, no religion should be endorsed in any way by the government, lest this infringe the freedom of other faiths, or of the irreligious.
That homosexuality is natural for a minority of the population, and that people should have the same rights under the law and equal economic opportunity regardless of sexual orientation.
Answer my last two questions in my original statement and you will have your answer.Yeah, those are really dangerous ideas, all right.
To tyrants.
The United States Constitution is about one of the most Liberal documents ever written. And by Liberals.
then if you have responsibility, take it, and quit looking to the government to fix you.
It's not about me.
All you're demonstrating here is that you don't have clue one about what liberals actually believe. I suggest you give up on the mind-reading game and simply examine things from your own point of view, and leave us to examine them from ours.
Bah, no it hasn't. I defy you to find one single liberal who declares that individuals have no responsibility. You will not be able to.
Liberals sometimes believe it is a matter of personal responsibility to cash one's own welfare check prior to heading off to their local Internet Sweepstakes.
Whether you're CrusaderFrank in drag or not, you sure seem to have the same ability as he to be insipid and uber partisan.
Please just because you want to give everyone a right to work does not mean you are against working persons. All working persons are not in unions. Matter of fact most are not in unions and corporation are not killing them. Their wages are not being destroyed as they are controlled by the open market.View attachment 18397
And conservatives are honest too, just like communists they promise everything to the people and never keep the promise.
Conservatives don't make promises. They don't want to GIVE you anything, but the opportunity to make something of yourself, to follow your dream, to be a responsible productive citizen, be free, be able to defend yourself. Remember what JFK said: "Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what YOU can do for your country." And HE professed to be "liberal." Imagine that!
LOL. What do you mean 'Conservatives' do not make promises?
Here are some promises that they have made.
1. We will take away every working persons ability to defend themselves against the averice of the corperation. No unions, and the wages and working conditions will go backward as far as the corperations desire.
Sure lets keep acting like there is nothing wrong with SS until it is out of money. To pretend there is not a problem does not make it go away.2. We will find a way to allow Wall Street to steal a major portion of the Social Security funds. That is what the privatization of SS is all about.
Liberal have already done a good job with that. You need to read my original post again.3. We will see that education is driven down to the level of third world countries in the US. After all, an educated population is not that eager to have all the wealth in the hands of the 1%. Remember what Cheney said about too much of a good thing.
Sometimes you have to show tough love and force people back on to their feet. Without the force many will never get back on their own two feet and will become totally dependent on others for everything.4. We will destroy the social safety net. People with nothing can be convinced to do anything for a bit of food. And getting rid of the old folks would be ideal.
Law suits were handling this long before the EPA. The truth is the EPA prevents nothing as things still happen. It is lawsuits that cost companies millions in damages that pushes them to fix things not the EPA.5. We will eliminate the EPA so that once again rivers can catch on fire, and the air can be so dirty from industrial pollution to cause many deaths during an inversion. Mercury and lead is good for your kids, and we will have our gated communites far away from these cess pools that we will create.
WHAT?6. We will be in your bedroom making sure you don't do anything we don't want you to do. And you have no right to ask us what we do. The wide stance is just normal for a 'Conservative'.
Idiot. Global warming is not the issue. Most scientist and everyone else agrees the globe is warming. It is whether or not it is man made that matters. MAN MADE!!!!7. We will tell scientists what to publish, and what is real science, no matter how far that strays from reality. There ain't no global warming or evolution.
The right to bare arms is one of our freedoms. Are there any other freedoms you would like to take?8. We will support all that the NRA says as long as the 'right' people are being killed. What the heck, a few headlines on 'Stand Your Ground' takes peoples minds off of the fact that the people we support are stealing them blind.
WHAT???9. We will use all the correct 'code' words so that the bigots know that we support them.
The 'Conservatives' have made many promises.
Sure they all share the same economic ideas. But Liberalisms social ideas make it far more dangerous than either Communism or Socialism. In Liberalism it is not the individuals responsibility but it is societys responsibility. It you commit murder it is not your fault it is the way you were brought up. If you steal it is not your fault, it is because of the education system. If you are poor, it is not your fault it is because of the rich.
As a child my family was extremely poor. Growing up I lived in a poor conservative neighborhoods and in a poor Liberal neighborhoods. There was far more crime in the poor Liberal neighborhoods. In a Liberal neighborhood if you steal or kill it is not your fault it is societies fault. In a Conservative neighborhood it you steal or kill it is your fault and nobody elses fault. But the fact is that the individual not the society decides to steal or kill. So when Liberals place the responsibility on society and not the individual it is a disaster. Society can not stop someone from killing they can only punish those that do. Only the individual can stop themselves from killing.
The prisons are filled with Liberals. They are not Liberals because they are in prison they are in prison because they are Liberals. When everyone else is responsible for the position you are in then you have no reason to be responsible for yourself. It is everyone elses job to get you the education you need. It is everyone elses responsibility to keep you from killing. It is everyone elses responsibility to stop you from being poor. Only one problem is that none of that is true. All those things are the individuals responsibility and they are the only ones that can truly affect their lives.
No amount of education will be enough to force someone to be educated. No amount of law enforcement or prisons will be enough to stop people from killing. For only so long will people tolerate others mooching of them for their survival. The Liberal social ideology is wrong. Only bad things will come from trying to implement their social ideology. Ask yourself if you had to walk the streets of a city every night as a job. Would you choose to walk the streets of a Liberal city or a Conservative city? After finding your answer, ask what a Liberal country would be like and what a Conservative country would be like? Which country would you want to live in?
Every liberal I know supports the idea of individual responsibility. Your thesis is flawed partisan hackery.
Sure they all share the same economic ideas. But Liberalisms social ideas make it far more dangerous than either Communism or Socialism. In Liberalism it is not the individuals responsibility but it is societys responsibility. It you commit murder it is not your fault it is the way you were brought up. If you steal it is not your fault, it is because of the education system. If you are poor, it is not your fault it is because of the rich.
As a child my family was extremely poor. Growing up I lived in a poor conservative neighborhoods and in a poor Liberal neighborhoods. There was far more crime in the poor Liberal neighborhoods. In a Liberal neighborhood if you steal or kill it is not your fault it is societies fault. In a Conservative neighborhood it you steal or kill it is your fault and nobody elses fault. But the fact is that the individual not the society decides to steal or kill. So when Liberals place the responsibility on society and not the individual it is a disaster. Society can not stop someone from killing they can only punish those that do. Only the individual can stop themselves from killing.
The prisons are filled with Liberals. They are not Liberals because they are in prison they are in prison because they are Liberals. When everyone else is responsible for the position you are in then you have no reason to be responsible for yourself. It is everyone elses job to get you the education you need. It is everyone elses responsibility to keep you from killing. It is everyone elses responsibility to stop you from being poor. Only one problem is that none of that is true. All those things are the individuals responsibility and they are the only ones that can truly affect their lives.
No amount of education will be enough to force someone to be educated. No amount of law enforcement or prisons will be enough to stop people from killing. For only so long will people tolerate others mooching of them for their survival. The Liberal social ideology is wrong. Only bad things will come from trying to implement their social ideology. Ask yourself if you had to walk the streets of a city every night as a job. Would you choose to walk the streets of a Liberal city or a Conservative city? After finding your answer, ask what a Liberal country would be like and what a Conservative country would be like? Which country would you want to live in?
At least Communists and Socialists are honest about the system of government they want, even though it always fails.
Liberalism is just an ongoing lie.
Sure they all share the same economic ideas. But Liberalisms social ideas make it far more dangerous than either Communism or Socialism. In Liberalism it is not the individuals responsibility but it is societys responsibility. It you commit murder it is not your fault it is the way you were brought up. If you steal it is not your fault, it is because of the education system. If you are poor, it is not your fault it is because of the rich.
As a child my family was extremely poor. Growing up I lived in a poor conservative neighborhoods and in a poor Liberal neighborhoods. There was far more crime in the poor Liberal neighborhoods. In a Liberal neighborhood if you steal or kill it is not your fault it is societies fault. In a Conservative neighborhood it you steal or kill it is your fault and nobody elses fault. But the fact is that the individual not the society decides to steal or kill. So when Liberals place the responsibility on society and not the individual it is a disaster. Society can not stop someone from killing they can only punish those that do. Only the individual can stop themselves from killing.
The prisons are filled with Liberals. They are not Liberals because they are in prison they are in prison because they are Liberals. When everyone else is responsible for the position you are in then you have no reason to be responsible for yourself. It is everyone elses job to get you the education you need. It is everyone elses responsibility to keep you from killing. It is everyone elses responsibility to stop you from being poor. Only one problem is that none of that is true. All those things are the individuals responsibility and they are the only ones that can truly affect their lives.
No amount of education will be enough to force someone to be educated. No amount of law enforcement or prisons will be enough to stop people from killing. For only so long will people tolerate others mooching of them for their survival. The Liberal social ideology is wrong. Only bad things will come from trying to implement their social ideology. Ask yourself if you had to walk the streets of a city every night as a job. Would you choose to walk the streets of a Liberal city or a Conservative city? After finding your answer, ask what a Liberal country would be like and what a Conservative country would be like? Which country would you want to live in?
We are oh so grateful that you have determined what it means to be liberal. Thank you for informing us. It's a lot like bullshit in, bullshit out.
Who said arguing was attempting to silence?
Attempting to silence is attempting to silence. Again you show you have no grasp of the language.
Examples?
Sure they all share the same economic ideas. But Liberalisms social ideas make it far more dangerous than either Communism or Socialism. In Liberalism it is not the individuals responsibility but it is societys responsibility. It you commit murder it is not your fault it is the way you were brought up. If you steal it is not your fault, it is because of the education system. If you are poor, it is not your fault it is because of the rich.
As a child my family was extremely poor. Growing up I lived in a poor conservative neighborhoods and in a poor Liberal neighborhoods. There was far more crime in the poor Liberal neighborhoods. In a Liberal neighborhood if you steal or kill it is not your fault it is societies fault. In a Conservative neighborhood it you steal or kill it is your fault and nobody elses fault. But the fact is that the individual not the society decides to steal or kill. So when Liberals place the responsibility on society and not the individual it is a disaster. Society can not stop someone from killing they can only punish those that do. Only the individual can stop themselves from killing.
The prisons are filled with Liberals. They are not Liberals because they are in prison they are in prison because they are Liberals. When everyone else is responsible for the position you are in then you have no reason to be responsible for yourself. It is everyone elses job to get you the education you need. It is everyone elses responsibility to keep you from killing. It is everyone elses responsibility to stop you from being poor. Only one problem is that none of that is true. All those things are the individuals responsibility and they are the only ones that can truly affect their lives.
No amount of education will be enough to force someone to be educated. No amount of law enforcement or prisons will be enough to stop people from killing. For only so long will people tolerate others mooching of them for their survival. The Liberal social ideology is wrong. Only bad things will come from trying to implement their social ideology. Ask yourself if you had to walk the streets of a city every night as a job. Would you choose to walk the streets of a Liberal city or a Conservative city? After finding your answer, ask what a Liberal country would be like and what a Conservative country would be like? Which country would you want to live in?
Every liberal I know supports the idea of individual responsibility. Your thesis is flawed partisan hackery.
You are joking right? You watch the news? You dont hear liberals saying that the problem with crime is because we dont have enough police? You dont hear Liberals saying that people are poor because of the rich? You dont hear Liberals saying that crime is a product of the poor education systems? Please tell me you are joking or do you live in a place that has no electricity.
Every liberal I know supports the idea of individual responsibility. Your thesis is flawed partisan hackery.
You are joking right? You watch the news? You dont hear liberals saying that the problem with crime is because we dont have enough police? You dont hear Liberals saying that people are poor because of the rich? You dont hear Liberals saying that crime is a product of the poor education systems? Please tell me you are joking or do you live in a place that has no electricity.
No I'm not joking. What you are referring to are statists, not liberals. Both parties are filled with statist. Call them what they are and call them out in both parties.
Would you give us some examples of this conservative utopia you describe? Demark is the happiest country on the planet. Liberal or conservative?
Pure white.
Sure they all share the same economic ideas. But Liberalisms social ideas make it far more dangerous than either Communism or Socialism. In Liberalism it is not the individuals responsibility but it is societys responsibility. It you commit murder it is not your fault it is the way you were brought up. If you steal it is not your fault, it is because of the education system. If you are poor, it is not your fault it is because of the rich.
As a child my family was extremely poor. Growing up I lived in a poor conservative neighborhoods and in a poor Liberal neighborhoods. There was far more crime in the poor Liberal neighborhoods. In a Liberal neighborhood if you steal or kill it is not your fault it is societies fault. In a Conservative neighborhood it you steal or kill it is your fault and nobody elses fault. But the fact is that the individual not the society decides to steal or kill. So when Liberals place the responsibility on society and not the individual it is a disaster. Society can not stop someone from killing they can only punish those that do. Only the individual can stop themselves from killing.
The prisons are filled with Liberals. They are not Liberals because they are in prison they are in prison because they are Liberals. When everyone else is responsible for the position you are in then you have no reason to be responsible for yourself. It is everyone elses job to get you the education you need. It is everyone elses responsibility to keep you from killing. It is everyone elses responsibility to stop you from being poor. Only one problem is that none of that is true. All those things are the individuals responsibility and they are the only ones that can truly affect their lives.
No amount of education will be enough to force someone to be educated. No amount of law enforcement or prisons will be enough to stop people from killing. For only so long will people tolerate others mooching of them for their survival. The Liberal social ideology is wrong. Only bad things will come from trying to implement their social ideology. Ask yourself if you had to walk the streets of a city every night as a job. Would you choose to walk the streets of a Liberal city or a Conservative city? After finding your answer, ask what a Liberal country would be like and what a Conservative country would be like? Which country would you want to live in?
Sure they all share the same economic ideas. But Liberalisms social ideas make it far more dangerous than either Communism or Socialism. In Liberalism it is not the individuals responsibility but it is societys responsibility. It you commit murder it is not your fault it is the way you were brought up. If you steal it is not your fault, it is because of the education system. If you are poor, it is not your fault it is because of the rich.
As a child my family was extremely poor. Growing up I lived in a poor conservative neighborhoods and in a poor Liberal neighborhoods. There was far more crime in the poor Liberal neighborhoods. In a Liberal neighborhood if you steal or kill it is not your fault it is societies fault. In a Conservative neighborhood it you steal or kill it is your fault and nobody elses fault. But the fact is that the individual not the society decides to steal or kill. So when Liberals place the responsibility on society and not the individual it is a disaster. Society can not stop someone from killing they can only punish those that do. Only the individual can stop themselves from killing.
The prisons are filled with Liberals. They are not Liberals because they are in prison they are in prison because they are Liberals. When everyone else is responsible for the position you are in then you have no reason to be responsible for yourself. It is everyone elses job to get you the education you need. It is everyone elses responsibility to keep you from killing. It is everyone elses responsibility to stop you from being poor. Only one problem is that none of that is true. All those things are the individuals responsibility and they are the only ones that can truly affect their lives.
No amount of education will be enough to force someone to be educated. No amount of law enforcement or prisons will be enough to stop people from killing. For only so long will people tolerate others mooching of them for their survival. The Liberal social ideology is wrong. Only bad things will come from trying to implement their social ideology. Ask yourself if you had to walk the streets of a city every night as a job. Would you choose to walk the streets of a Liberal city or a Conservative city? After finding your answer, ask what a Liberal country would be like and what a Conservative country would be like? Which country would you want to live in?
Conservatives live off liberal progress. What else do they have? It's not like conservatives are great inventors or engineers or scientists.
Liberals in this country ARE statists, they ARE progressives.