Liberalism is far worse than either Communism or Socialism

[UpAndAbout]

Yes, these things are wonderful things, brought about liberals along the lines of JFK for the most part. Now it has mushroomed out of control, mushroomed to what the original post said.

Bah, no it hasn't. I defy you to find one single liberal who declares that individuals have no responsibility. You will not be able to. The OP was simply a post of right-wing caricatures as if they were reality, a splendid example of what I call the demonic possession theory of politics: the idea that one's opposition does not consist of human beings but of supernatural, non-human entities who are not motivated by what they want, but rather by what you don't, as if they were possessed by demons and consciously intending to do evil.

then if you have responsibility, take it, and quit looking to the government to fix you. Stop criticizing people who are successful and have taken "responsibility." Who are the people who hold vigils against capital punishment? Who are the people who were instrumental in practially ruining the logging industry because of the spotted owl? Who are the people who are constantly shouting "go green" all the time, hell we can't fart in our backyards anymore. we DO though, but don't tell anybody. Who worries more about the plight of salmon than the plight of people? who are the people most likely to be against gun ownership? Who was the judge in Vermont who let a rapist of a 6 year old boy go free without any jail time? Who would like to outlaw hunting and even eating of meat if they could? who makes excuses for criminal behavior? What group of far left nuts tried to stop the throwing of the dead salmon at Pike Place Market in Seattle during a veterinarian convention -- the veteranarians told them they were nuts. Hint: PETA. What group of nutjobs bombed mink farms and let the minks out into the country to starve to death anyway because they were be raised specifically for fur. The answer to all of these questions is liberals, although the death penalty people are also from far right religious groups, neither of which I belong BTW. I have heard it all spouted on MSNBC and by liberal guests on FOX. Our neighbors are liberal and this is the kind of stuff they believe. Maybe YOU don't buy into any of this yourself, but many liberals DO. By the same token YOU are painting all conservatives with the same brush, getting your information obviously from MSNBC or HuffPo. I very rarely have seen conservative guests on Rachel Maddow other than Pat Buchanan and I think he's a regular. If Chris Matthews has any, he won't shut up long enough to let them get a word in edgewise.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Sure they all share the same economic ideas.

Well . . . no, actually. But that doesn't seem to be what you're talking about here, so I'll let it slide for now.

But Liberalism’s social ideas make it far more dangerous than either Communism or Socialism.

Hmm. Well, let's consider some of modern liberalism's social ideas. (I'll skip those of the past, like universal education or the abolition of slavery, and concentrate only on the ones emerging only in the 20th and 21st centuries.)

That men and women should be equal before the law, in voting and other political rights, and in economic opportunity.
Then why does the great liberal leader Obama pay women only 87 cents on the dollar compared to men...?

That women should control their own sexuality and reproduction rather than having it be controlled by men.
Is it only women who reproduce....? Lefties want to destroy the family so they take men out of the equation...

That everyone should be treated equally before the law, and have equal economic opportunity, regardless of race.
Believe it or not....Republicans historically supported Civil Rights a whole lot more than Democrats....

That the earth we live on is finite in its capacity to support life, and should be treated with respect and proper, responsible husbandry, not merely used for a quick profit.
Responsible husbandry is at the core of conservativism....

That in a free society, no religion should be endorsed in any way by the government, lest this infringe the freedom of other faiths, or of the irreligious.
People should be able to express their religion freely in the public square.....according to the Bill of Rights....as long as no religion is established....

That homosexuality is natural for a minority of the population, and that people should have the same rights under the law and equal economic opportunity regardless of sexual orientation.
Homosexuality is an aberrant behavior which most Americans can tolerate....but it should not be allowed to politicaly break up the foundations of our society...which is why leftists push it....

Yeah, those are really dangerous ideas, all right.

To tyrants.
conservatives are tyrants...? hardly.....
but liberalism today is the gateway drug to socialism/communism...

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[Dragon]

then if you have responsibility, take it, and quit looking to the government to fix you.

It's not about me.

All you're demonstrating here is that you don't have clue one about what liberals actually believe. I suggest you give up on the mind-reading game and simply examine things from your own point of view, and leave us to examine them from ours.

 

[SniperFire]

Yes, these things are wonderful things, brought about liberals along the lines of JFK for the most part. Now it has mushroomed out of control, mushroomed to what the original post said.

Bah, no it hasn't. I defy you to find one single liberal who declares that individuals have no responsibility. You will not be able to.

Liberals sometimes believe it is a matter of personal responsibility to cash one's own welfare check prior to heading off to their local Internet Sweepstakes.

 

[Dragon]

hen why does the great liberal leader Obama pay women only 87 cents on the dollar compared to men...?

1) There is no "great liberal leader Obama."
2) Women in government service are paid the same as men in government service who hold the same jobs.

Lefties want to destroy the family

Another example of demonic-possession thinking. No, liberals don't want to "destroy the family." If you figured out that we were human beings, that would be obvious to you; because you think we're possessed by devils,. you assign us motivations that no human being has.

Believe it or not....Republicans historically supported Civil Rights a whole lot more than Democrats

Republicans, yes. Conservatives, no. In those days, on that issue, Republicans were the liberals.

Responsible husbandry is at the core of conservativism

Unfortunately, no. I agree that, for etymological reasons, it ought to be, but it ain't.

People should be able to express their religion freely in the public square.....according to the Bill of Rights....as long as no religion is established

If the government endorses them doing so, religion is automatically established.

Homosexuality is an aberrant behavior which most Americans can tolerate....but it should not be allowed to politicaly break up the foundations of our society...which is why leftists push it

Again, here's demonic-possession thinking. Nobody wants to "break up the foundations of our society." Nobody that isn't possessed by devils, anyway. No human being with human motivations.

conservatives are tyrants...? hardly.....
but liberalism today is the gateway drug to socialism/communism

Now you sound exactly like Mussolini or Hitler. They used that exact argument.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

hen why does the great liberal leader Obama pay women only 87 cents on the dollar compared to men...?

1) There is no "great liberal leader Obama."
2) Women in government service are paid the same as men in government service who hold the same jobs.

Lefties want to destroy the family

Another example of demonic-possession thinking. No, liberals don't want to "destroy the family." If you figured out that we were human beings, that would be obvious to you; because you think we're possessed by devils,. you assign us motivations that no human being has.



Republicans, yes. Conservatives, no. In those days, on that issue, Republicans were the liberals.



Unfortunately, no. I agree that, for etymological reasons, it ought to be, but it ain't.



If the government endorses them doing so, religion is automatically established.

Homosexuality is an aberrant behavior which most Americans can tolerate....but it should not be allowed to politicaly break up the foundations of our society...which is why leftists push it

Again, here's demonic-possession thinking. Nobody wants to "break up the foundations of our society." Nobody that isn't possessed by devils, anyway. No human being with human motivations.

conservatives are tyrants...? hardly.....
but liberalism today is the gateway drug to socialism/communism

Now you sound exactly like Mussolini or Hitler. They used that exact argument.

your replies are virulent gibberish.....come back when you have something substantial to defend yourself with...

 

[Wry Catcher]

Yes, these things are wonderful things, brought about liberals along the lines of JFK for the most part. Now it has mushroomed out of control, mushroomed to what the original post said.

Bah, no it hasn't. I defy you to find one single liberal who declares that individuals have no responsibility. You will not be able to.

Liberals sometimes believe it is a matter of personal responsibility to cash one's own welfare check prior to heading off to their local Internet Sweepstakes.

Whether you're CrusaderFrank in drag or not, you sure seem to have the same ability as he to be insipid and uber partisan.

 

[SniperFire]

Bah, no it hasn't. I defy you to find one single liberal who declares that individuals have no responsibility. You will not be able to.

Liberals sometimes believe it is a matter of personal responsibility to cash one's own welfare check prior to heading off to their local Internet Sweepstakes.

Whether you're CrusaderFrank in drag or not, you sure seem to have the same ability as he to be insipid and uber partisan.

Do you disagree with my point, then?


LOL

 

[Old Rocks]

at least communists and socialists are honest about the system of government they want, even though it always fails.


Liberalism is just an ongoing lie.

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And conservatives are honest too, just like communists they promise everything to the people and never keep the promise.

Conservatives don't make promises. They don't want to GIVE you anything, but the opportunity to make something of yourself, to follow your dream, to be a responsible productive citizen, be free, be able to defend yourself. Remember what JFK said: "Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what YOU can do for your country." And HE professed to be "liberal." Imagine that!

LOL. What do you mean 'Conservatives' do not make promises?

Here are some promises that they have made.

1. We will take away every working persons ability to defend themselves against the averice of the corperation. No unions, and the wages and working conditions will go backward as far as the corperations desire.

2. We will find a way to allow Wall Street to steal a major portion of the Social Security funds. That is what the privatization of SS is all about.

3. We will see that education is driven down to the level of third world countries in the US. After all, an educated population is not that eager to have all the wealth in the hands of the 1%. Remember what Cheney said about too much of a good thing.

4. We will destroy the social safety net. People with nothing can be convinced to do anything for a bit of food. And getting rid of the old folks would be ideal.

5. We will eliminate the EPA so that once again rivers can catch on fire, and the air can be so dirty from industrial pollution to cause many deaths during an inversion. Mercury and lead is good for your kids, and we will have our gated communites far away from these cess pools that we will create.

6. We will be in your bedroom making sure you don't do anything we don't want you to do. And you have no right to ask us what we do. The wide stance is just normal for a 'Conservative'.

7. We will tell scientists what to publish, and what is real science, no matter how far that strays from reality. There ain't no global warming or evolution.

8. We will support all that the NRA says as long as the 'right' people are being killed. What the heck, a few headlines on 'Stand Your Ground' takes peoples minds off of the fact that the people we support are stealing them blind.

9. We will use all the correct 'code' words so that the bigots know that we support them.

The 'Conservatives' have made many promises.

 

[inALIENable]

Liberals sometimes believe it is a matter of personal responsibility to cash one's own welfare check prior to heading off to their local Internet Sweepstakes.

They've fixed all that now. The dogs can withdraw their free treats directly from ATM/EBT dispenser at the casino now.

 

[whitehall]

The political ideology that calls itself liberalism is a far cry from classic liberalism that founded this Country. Classic liberalism called for free speech and open dialog. Today's liberals spend an inordinate time trying to silence opposition speech. Colleges and institutes of higher learning used to be bastions of liberal thinking where any subject was open for discussion and argument. Sadly today colleges have tightly restricted rules that make sure nobody is offended and the result is that nobody learns to think. Modern liberals actually assume consciously or unconsciously that all money belongs to the government and they only let us use it for a while. Liberals think that government is an employment agency even though they know that government doesn't earn a dime. It confiscates money from one segment of society to transfer it to another segment. The ironic thing is that most of today's liberals are afraid to call themselves liberals so they sneak around and hide and snipe at conservatives.

 

[RDD_1210]

How small of a mind does it take that you feel compelled to base your entire life of making an enemy out of half of the country you live in.

 

[koshergrl]

Would you give us some examples of this conservative utopia you describe? Demark is the happiest country on the planet. Liberal or conservative?

Look, an example of a dishonest progressive freak almost the very second you mentioned their dishonesty...

They appear to be incapable of restraining themselves. Even when it shines a bright light on their idiocy.

 

[Dragon]

hen why does the great liberal leader Obama pay women only 87 cents on the dollar compared to men...?

1) There is no "great liberal leader Obama."
2) Women in government service are paid the same as men in government service who hold the same jobs.



Another example of demonic-possession thinking. No, liberals don't want to "destroy the family." If you figured out that we were human beings, that would be obvious to you; because you think we're possessed by devils,. you assign us motivations that no human being has.



Republicans, yes. Conservatives, no. In those days, on that issue, Republicans were the liberals.



Unfortunately, no. I agree that, for etymological reasons, it ought to be, but it ain't.



If the government endorses them doing so, religion is automatically established.



Again, here's demonic-possession thinking. Nobody wants to "break up the foundations of our society." Nobody that isn't possessed by devils, anyway. No human being with human motivations.

conservatives are tyrants...? hardly.....
but liberalism today is the gateway drug to socialism/communism

Now you sound exactly like Mussolini or Hitler. They used that exact argument.

your replies are virulent gibberish.....come back when you have something substantial to defend yourself with...

Heh -- I know an admission of having no argument, and hence of defeat, when I see one.

Your surrender is graciously accepted, sir.

 

[koshergrl]

No, Dragon, you really don't.

In fact, your overall grasp of the language has been shown to be woefully inadequate all around.

 

[Dragon]

The political ideology that calls itself liberalism is a far cry from classic liberalism that founded this Country. Classic liberalism called for free speech and open dialog. Today's liberals spend an inordinate time trying to silence opposition speech.

No, they do not. Arguing against an opponent is not an attempt to silence.

Colleges and institutes of higher learning used to be bastions of liberal thinking where any subject was open for discussion and argument. Sadly today colleges have tightly restricted rules that make sure nobody is offended and the result is that nobody learns to think.

To the extent this is true (and I know from recent experience that you are wildly exaggerating), it means that colleges have moved in a conservative direction. This happens sometimes; colleges have not always been liberal.

Modrn liberals actually assume consciously or unconsciously that all money belongs to the government and they only let us use it for a while.

This is another example of demonic-possession thinking. It's nonsense, of course.

 

[koshergrl]

Who said arguing was attempting to silence?

Attempting to silence is attempting to silence. Again you show you have no grasp of the language.

 

[BlindBoo]

Sure they all share the same economic ideas. But Liberalism’s social ideas make it far more dangerous than either Communism or Socialism. In Liberalism it is not the individual’s responsibility but it is society’s responsibility. It you commit murder it is not your fault it is the way you were brought up. If you steal it is not your fault, it is because of the education system. If you are poor, it is not your fault it is because of the rich.

As a child my family was extremely poor. Growing up I lived in a poor conservative neighborhoods and in a poor Liberal neighborhoods. There was far more crime in the poor Liberal neighborhoods. In a Liberal neighborhood if you steal or kill it is not your fault it is societies fault. In a Conservative neighborhood it you steal or kill it is your fault and nobody else’s fault. But the fact is that the individual not the society decides to steal or kill. So when Liberals place the responsibility on society and not the individual it is a disaster. Society can not stop someone from killing they can only punish those that do. Only the individual can stop themselves from killing.

The prisons are filled with Liberals. They are not Liberals because they are in prison they are in prison because they are Liberals. When everyone else is responsible for the position you are in then you have no reason to be responsible for yourself. It is everyone else’s job to get you the education you need. It is everyone else’s responsibility to keep you from killing. It is everyone else’s responsibility to stop you from being poor. Only one problem is that none of that is true. All those things are the individual’s responsibility and they are the only ones that can truly affect their lives.

No amount of education will be enough to force someone to be educated. No amount of law enforcement or prisons will be enough to stop people from killing. For only so long will people tolerate others mooching of them for their survival. The Liberal social ideology is wrong. Only bad things will come from trying to implement their social ideology. Ask yourself if you had to walk the streets of a city every night as a job. Would you choose to walk the streets of a Liberal city or a Conservative city? After finding your answer, ask what a Liberal country would be like and what a Conservative country would be like? Which country would you want to live in?

Every liberal I know supports the idea of individual responsibility. Your thesis is flawed partisan hackery.

 

[BlindBoo]

hen why does the great liberal leader Obama pay women only 87 cents on the dollar compared to men...?

1) There is no "great liberal leader Obama."
2) Women in government service are paid the same as men in government service who hold the same jobs.



Another example of demonic-possession thinking. No, liberals don't want to "destroy the family." If you figured out that we were human beings, that would be obvious to you; because you think we're possessed by devils,. you assign us motivations that no human being has.



Republicans, yes. Conservatives, no. In those days, on that issue, Republicans were the liberals.



Unfortunately, no. I agree that, for etymological reasons, it ought to be, but it ain't.



If the government endorses them doing so, religion is automatically established.



Again, here's demonic-possession thinking. Nobody wants to "break up the foundations of our society." Nobody that isn't possessed by devils, anyway. No human being with human motivations.

conservatives are tyrants...? hardly.....
but liberalism today is the gateway drug to socialism/communism

Now you sound exactly like Mussolini or Hitler. They used that exact argument.

your replies are virulent gibberish.....come back when you have something substantial to defend yourself with...

Wow, you got schooled to and from and all you can say is it's virulent gibberish?

Can't answer in simple english?

 

[BlindBoo]

1) There is no "great liberal leader Obama."
2) Women in government service are paid the same as men in government service who hold the same jobs.



Another example of demonic-possession thinking. No, liberals don't want to "destroy the family." If you figured out that we were human beings, that would be obvious to you; because you think we're possessed by devils,. you assign us motivations that no human being has.



Republicans, yes. Conservatives, no. In those days, on that issue, Republicans were the liberals.



Unfortunately, no. I agree that, for etymological reasons, it ought to be, but it ain't.



If the government endorses them doing so, religion is automatically established.



Again, here's demonic-possession thinking. Nobody wants to "break up the foundations of our society." Nobody that isn't possessed by devils, anyway. No human being with human motivations.



Now you sound exactly like Mussolini or Hitler. They used that exact argument.

your replies are virulent gibberish.....come back when you have something substantial to defend yourself with...

Heh -- I know an admission of having no argument, and hence of defeat, when I see one.

Your surrender is graciously accepted, sir.