Liberal Education That Leads To Murder

[Agit8r]

"So getting back to the original premise for a moment,..."

Perhaps you've stumbled into the wrong thread.


The 'original premise' deals with the effects of Liberal indoctrination in colleges, and what the result can be.

In this case....was.

The original post was a rather indecipherable non sequitur, but you appeared to elaborate in you second comment

I'm reporting testimony by a convicted killer that does seem to indicate that, doesn't it?


How many such examples would you require to be convinced?

Now, if that were true, the secular indoctrination that occurs in France or Sweden would certainly drive the murder rates in those countries even higher than in ours (rather than being a tiny fraction of ours).

"if that were true, the secular indoctrination that occurs in France or Sweden would certainly drive the murder rates in those countries even higher than in ours (rather than being a tiny fraction of ours."

You should do a little research.....you might be quite surprised at how far from correct you are.


Violent deaths per 100,00:

France, 22.67

Sweden 17.12

United States 18.57
GunCite-Gun Control-International Homicide and Suicide Rates



"...a tiny fraction of ours."
Hardly

Are you capable of citing an unbiased source?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The original post was a rather indecipherable non sequitur, but you appeared to elaborate in you second comment


Now, if that were true, the secular indoctrination that occurs in France or Sweden would certainly drive the murder rates in those countries even higher than in ours (rather than being a tiny fraction of ours).

"if that were true, the secular indoctrination that occurs in France or Sweden would certainly drive the murder rates in those countries even higher than in ours (rather than being a tiny fraction of ours."

You should do a little research.....you might be quite surprised at how far from correct you are.


Violent deaths per 100,00:

France, 22.67

Sweden 17.12

United States 18.57
GunCite-Gun Control-International Homicide and Suicide Rates



"...a tiny fraction of ours."
Hardly

Are you capable of citing an unbiased source?

As usual....dummies hate sources that don't agree with them....


That would be you. (raise your paw.)


Now...if you would like to produce data that disputes the above.....
please do so, moan of arc.

 

[Agit8r]

"if that were true, the secular indoctrination that occurs in France or Sweden would certainly drive the murder rates in those countries even higher than in ours (rather than being a tiny fraction of ours."

You should do a little research.....you might be quite surprised at how far from correct you are.


Violent deaths per 100,00:

France, 22.67

Sweden 17.12

United States 18.57
GunCite-Gun Control-International Homicide and Suicide Rates



"...a tiny fraction of ours."
Hardly

Are you capable of citing an unbiased source?

As usual....dummies hate sources that don't agree with them....


That would be you. (raise your paw.)


Now...if you would like to produce data that disputes the above.....
please do so, moan of arc.

I cited an unbiased source. You cited a pro-gun activism cite that did not tell where it got it's data. Not to mention that all of the bogus data it made up was 20 years old

 

[PoliticalChic]

Are you capable of citing an unbiased source?

As usual....dummies hate sources that don't agree with them....


That would be you. (raise your paw.)


Now...if you would like to produce data that disputes the above.....
please do so, moan of arc.

I cited an unbiased source. You cited a pro-gun activism cite that did not tell where it got it's data. Not to mention that all of the bogus data it made up was 20 years old

Just came across this:


According to a French study by the French National Institute for Demographic Research (INED), those of us living in France are more likely to die of violent death than those living in the United States.

Long considered a dangerous country, the United States has recently seen its violent death rate decrease to the point that it is now inferior to Japan's or France's violent death rate.

Indeed, according to the study, with 44,000 violent deaths in 2000,

The number of suicides is, of course, much more important in France than in the United States (17.5 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants compared to 11.3 in the US).

According to French statistics, 11,000 suicides had been registered in France in 1997 (the number of suicide attemps is estimated at 160,000 a year). Suicides represent the first cause of death among the people aged 25-34 and the second only to car accidents among the people aged 15-24. In addition, an estimated 20-25% of suicides are not registered as suicides.

The INED study defines a violent death as "an 'unnatural' death. The death is brought about by a voluntary intervention (from others: homicide, or from oneself: suicide) or by a brutal external cause, called accident."

Study here (in Frog): [INED] Institut National Etudes Démographiques - Recherches sur la population et en démographie . . .

News article here: The French Republic - Geography, History, Economy, Culture . . .
fuckfrance - Warning: Living in France is hazardous to your health (508304) - Read article:



And you say....boooyyyyyyeeeeee?

 

[Agit8r]

As usual....dummies hate sources that don't agree with them....


That would be you. (raise your paw.)


Now...if you would like to produce data that disputes the above.....
please do so, moan of arc.

I cited an unbiased source. You cited a pro-gun activism cite that did not tell where it got it's data. Not to mention that all of the bogus data it made up was 20 years old

Just came across this:


According to a French study by the French National Institute for Demographic Research (INED), those of us living in France are more likely to die of violent death than those living in the United States.

Long considered a dangerous country, the United States has recently seen its violent death rate decrease to the point that it is now inferior to Japan's or France's violent death rate.

Indeed, according to the study, with 44,000 violent deaths in 2000,

The number of suicides is, of course, much more important in France than in the United States (17.5 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants compared to 11.3 in the US).

According to French statistics, 11,000 suicides had been registered in France in 1997 (the number of suicide attemps is estimated at 160,000 a year). Suicides represent the first cause of death among the people aged 25-34 and the second only to car accidents among the people aged 15-24. In addition, an estimated 20-25% of suicides are not registered as suicides.

The INED study defines a violent death as "an 'unnatural' death. The death is brought about by a voluntary intervention (from others: homicide, or from oneself: suicide) or by a brutal external cause, called accident."

Study here (in Frog): [INED] Institut National Etudes Démographiques - Recherches sur la population et en démographie . . .

News article here: The French Republic - Geography, History, Economy, Culture . . .
fuckfrance - Warning: Living in France is hazardous to your health (508304) - Read article:



And you say....boooyyyyyyeeeeee?

So, if your original premise were that a godless liberal education leads to suicides and accidents, you might have been on to something

 

[PoliticalChic]

I cited an unbiased source. You cited a pro-gun activism cite that did not tell where it got it's data. Not to mention that all of the bogus data it made up was 20 years old

Just came across this:


According to a French study by the French National Institute for Demographic Research (INED), those of us living in France are more likely to die of violent death than those living in the United States.

Long considered a dangerous country, the United States has recently seen its violent death rate decrease to the point that it is now inferior to Japan's or France's violent death rate.

Indeed, according to the study, with 44,000 violent deaths in 2000,

The number of suicides is, of course, much more important in France than in the United States (17.5 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants compared to 11.3 in the US).

According to French statistics, 11,000 suicides had been registered in France in 1997 (the number of suicide attemps is estimated at 160,000 a year). Suicides represent the first cause of death among the people aged 25-34 and the second only to car accidents among the people aged 15-24. In addition, an estimated 20-25% of suicides are not registered as suicides.

The INED study defines a violent death as "an 'unnatural' death. The death is brought about by a voluntary intervention (from others: homicide, or from oneself: suicide) or by a brutal external cause, called accident."

Study here (in Frog): [INED] Institut National Etudes Démographiques - Recherches sur la population et en démographie . . .

News article here: The French Republic - Geography, History, Economy, Culture . . .
fuckfrance - Warning: Living in France is hazardous to your health (508304) - Read article:



And you say....boooyyyyyyeeeeee?

So, if your original premise were that a godless liberal education leads to suicides and accidents, you might have been on to something

Sooooo.......what happened to ""if that were true, the secular indoctrination that occurs in France or Sweden would certainly drive the murder rates in those countries even higher than in ours (rather than being a tiny fraction of ours."


Again:
"a tiny fraction of ours."

Really?

 

[Agit8r]

Just came across this:


According to a French study by the French National Institute for Demographic Research (INED), those of us living in France are more likely to die of violent death than those living in the United States.

Long considered a dangerous country, the United States has recently seen its violent death rate decrease to the point that it is now inferior to Japan's or France's violent death rate.

Indeed, according to the study, with 44,000 violent deaths in 2000,

The number of suicides is, of course, much more important in France than in the United States (17.5 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants compared to 11.3 in the US).

According to French statistics, 11,000 suicides had been registered in France in 1997 (the number of suicide attemps is estimated at 160,000 a year). Suicides represent the first cause of death among the people aged 25-34 and the second only to car accidents among the people aged 15-24. In addition, an estimated 20-25% of suicides are not registered as suicides.

The INED study defines a violent death as "an 'unnatural' death. The death is brought about by a voluntary intervention (from others: homicide, or from oneself: suicide) or by a brutal external cause, called accident."

Study here (in Frog): [INED] Institut National Etudes Démographiques - Recherches sur la population et en démographie . . .

News article here: The French Republic - Geography, History, Economy, Culture . . .
fuckfrance - Warning: Living in France is hazardous to your health (508304) - Read article:



And you say....boooyyyyyyeeeeee?

So, if your original premise were that a godless liberal education leads to suicides and accidents, you might have been on to something

Sooooo.......what happened to ""if that were true, the secular indoctrination that occurs in France or Sweden would certainly drive the murder rates in those countries even higher than in ours (rather than being a tiny fraction of ours."


Again:
"a tiny fraction of ours."

Really?

MURDER rates are still are not as high, by any of the above estimates, and France is undeniably more secular, institutionally and culturally, so your original premise is completely false.

 

[Unkotare]

She has proven you wrong. You should just cut your losses at this point.

 

[newpolitics]

1. "Former security guard Nkosi Thandiwe was found guilty of murdering a woman and wounding two others during a shooting spree in July of 2011 and has been sentenced to life without parole,...

2. He confessed to the crimes during his testimony last week, adding some chilling details about his motivation. And prosecutors argued that Thandiwe was fueled by racist hate against whites.

3. ...he still remembers what prompted the violence by his own twisted rationale. He cited anti-white ideas he learned at university.

4. .... Thandiwe suggested that his reason for even purchasing the gun he used in the shootings was to enforce beliefs he’d developed about white people during his later years as an anthropology major at the University of West Georgia.

5. “I was trying to prove a point that Europeans had colonized the world, and as a result of that, we see a lot of evil today,” he said. “In terms of slavery, it was something that needed to be answered for. I was trying to spread the message of making white people mend.”

6. He said the night before the shooting, he attended a so-called “Peace Party” intended to address his concerns about helping the black community find equal footing, but two white people were there.

7. ...he shot Brittney Watts, Lauren Garcia and Tiffany Ferenczy because he had adopted all these racist ideals,” she said. “If race disorder was a [mental illness], then the Ku Klux Klan could murder and kill with impunity.”

8. ...he shot Lauren Garcia, 24, and Tiffany Ferenczy, 24, while they were walking across Crescent Avenue to a nearby restaurant on their lunch break....Garcia’s injuries left her paralyzed."
Convicted Killer Says He Shot 3 White Women Because of Ideas Learned at University: ?In Terms of Slavery, It Was Something That Had to Be Answered For? | Video | TheBlaze.com






9. "Leftism is so pervasive, that if applied to any other way of looking at life, it would be widely recognized as a form of brainwashing! Image a person who attended only fundamental Christian schools from preschool through graduate school, who never saw a secular, let alone anti-Christian, film, and who only read religious books. Most would say that they had been ‘brainwashed.” Yet, we regularly find individuals who only attended secular liberal schools from preschool through college, watched or listened to only Left-of-center television, movies, music, and had essentially no exposure to religious or conservative ideas. Brainwashed?

Of course not! Liberals are open-minded!!! The irony here is that the denial itself shows how very effective the brainwashing has been.

Now, Christians or Jews who have rarely been exposed to secular ideas and values would readily acknowledge same. It is only those on the Left who fool themselves into believing that they have been exposed to all points of view.

10. Universities have become to Liberalism what a Christian seminary is to Christianity. The difference is that Christian seminaries acknowledge their purpose, to produce committed Christians. "
Prager, "Still The Best Hope," chapter two.

a. “The purpose of a university should be to make a son as unlike his father as possible.” The University's Part in Political Life” (13 March 1909) in PWW (The Papers of Woodrow Wilson) 19:99.


b. Eric Holder D.O.J "We Must Brainwash People About Guns" - YouTube

Ewww.... Your brain is disgusting. Try to clean out some of that massive, insane conservative bias you have going on. Perhaps taking less inspiration from your female heroes like Malkin and Coulter would go a long way.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. "Former security guard Nkosi Thandiwe was found guilty of murdering a woman and wounding two others during a shooting spree in July of 2011 and has been sentenced to life without parole,...

2. He confessed to the crimes during his testimony last week, adding some chilling details about his motivation. And prosecutors argued that Thandiwe was fueled by racist hate against whites.

3. ...he still remembers what prompted the violence by his own twisted rationale. He cited anti-white ideas he learned at university.

4. .... Thandiwe suggested that his reason for even purchasing the gun he used in the shootings was to enforce beliefs he’d developed about white people during his later years as an anthropology major at the University of West Georgia.

5. “I was trying to prove a point that Europeans had colonized the world, and as a result of that, we see a lot of evil today,” he said. “In terms of slavery, it was something that needed to be answered for. I was trying to spread the message of making white people mend.”

6. He said the night before the shooting, he attended a so-called “Peace Party” intended to address his concerns about helping the black community find equal footing, but two white people were there.

7. ...he shot Brittney Watts, Lauren Garcia and Tiffany Ferenczy because he had adopted all these racist ideals,” she said. “If race disorder was a [mental illness], then the Ku Klux Klan could murder and kill with impunity.”

8. ...he shot Lauren Garcia, 24, and Tiffany Ferenczy, 24, while they were walking across Crescent Avenue to a nearby restaurant on their lunch break....Garcia’s injuries left her paralyzed."
Convicted Killer Says He Shot 3 White Women Because of Ideas Learned at University: ?In Terms of Slavery, It Was Something That Had to Be Answered For? | Video | TheBlaze.com






9. "Leftism is so pervasive, that if applied to any other way of looking at life, it would be widely recognized as a form of brainwashing! Image a person who attended only fundamental Christian schools from preschool through graduate school, who never saw a secular, let alone anti-Christian, film, and who only read religious books. Most would say that they had been ‘brainwashed.” Yet, we regularly find individuals who only attended secular liberal schools from preschool through college, watched or listened to only Left-of-center television, movies, music, and had essentially no exposure to religious or conservative ideas. Brainwashed?

Of course not! Liberals are open-minded!!! The irony here is that the denial itself shows how very effective the brainwashing has been.

Now, Christians or Jews who have rarely been exposed to secular ideas and values would readily acknowledge same. It is only those on the Left who fool themselves into believing that they have been exposed to all points of view.

10. Universities have become to Liberalism what a Christian seminary is to Christianity. The difference is that Christian seminaries acknowledge their purpose, to produce committed Christians. "
Prager, "Still The Best Hope," chapter two.

a. “The purpose of a university should be to make a son as unlike his father as possible.” The University's Part in Political Life” (13 March 1909) in PWW (The Papers of Woodrow Wilson) 19:99.


b. Eric Holder D.O.J "We Must Brainwash People About Guns" - YouTube

Ewww.... Your brain is disgusting. Try to clean out some of that massive, insane conservative bias you have going on. Perhaps taking less inspiration from your female heroes like Malkin and Coulter would go a long way.

Leading with one's best foot froward is usually the best advice....

...you. of course, have the disadvantage of having both feet in your mouth.


I note that you've enumerated every single mistake and error in the OP.....



That's correct: none.

 

[Agit8r]

1. "Former security guard Nkosi Thandiwe was found guilty of murdering a woman and wounding two others during a shooting spree in July of 2011 and has been sentenced to life without parole,...

2. He confessed to the crimes during his testimony last week, adding some chilling details about his motivation. And prosecutors argued that Thandiwe was fueled by racist hate against whites.

3. ...he still remembers what prompted the violence by his own twisted rationale. He cited anti-white ideas he learned at university.

4. .... Thandiwe suggested that his reason for even purchasing the gun he used in the shootings was to enforce beliefs he’d developed about white people during his later years as an anthropology major at the University of West Georgia.

5. “I was trying to prove a point that Europeans had colonized the world, and as a result of that, we see a lot of evil today,” he said. “In terms of slavery, it was something that needed to be answered for. I was trying to spread the message of making white people mend.”

6. He said the night before the shooting, he attended a so-called “Peace Party” intended to address his concerns about helping the black community find equal footing, but two white people were there.

7. ...he shot Brittney Watts, Lauren Garcia and Tiffany Ferenczy because he had adopted all these racist ideals,” she said. “If race disorder was a [mental illness], then the Ku Klux Klan could murder and kill with impunity.”

8. ...he shot Lauren Garcia, 24, and Tiffany Ferenczy, 24, while they were walking across Crescent Avenue to a nearby restaurant on their lunch break....Garcia’s injuries left her paralyzed."
Convicted Killer Says He Shot 3 White Women Because of Ideas Learned at University: ?In Terms of Slavery, It Was Something That Had to Be Answered For? | Video | TheBlaze.com






9. "Leftism is so pervasive, that if applied to any other way of looking at life, it would be widely recognized as a form of brainwashing! Image a person who attended only fundamental Christian schools from preschool through graduate school, who never saw a secular, let alone anti-Christian, film, and who only read religious books. Most would say that they had been ‘brainwashed.” Yet, we regularly find individuals who only attended secular liberal schools from preschool through college, watched or listened to only Left-of-center television, movies, music, and had essentially no exposure to religious or conservative ideas. Brainwashed?

Of course not! Liberals are open-minded!!! The irony here is that the denial itself shows how very effective the brainwashing has been.

Now, Christians or Jews who have rarely been exposed to secular ideas and values would readily acknowledge same. It is only those on the Left who fool themselves into believing that they have been exposed to all points of view.

10. Universities have become to Liberalism what a Christian seminary is to Christianity. The difference is that Christian seminaries acknowledge their purpose, to produce committed Christians. "
Prager, "Still The Best Hope," chapter two.

a. “The purpose of a university should be to make a son as unlike his father as possible.” The University's Part in Political Life” (13 March 1909) in PWW (The Papers of Woodrow Wilson) 19:99.


b. Eric Holder D.O.J "We Must Brainwash People About Guns" - YouTube

Ewww.... Your brain is disgusting. Try to clean out some of that massive, insane conservative bias you have going on. Perhaps taking less inspiration from your female heroes like Malkin and Coulter would go a long way.

Leading with one's best foot froward is usually the best advice....

...you. of course, have the disadvantage of having both feet in your mouth.


I note that you've enumerated every single mistake and error in the OP.....



That's correct: none.

Wow. It takes a serious amount of derangement to not comprehend that the ENTIRE OP was a fallacy Obviously, if a liberal, secular society has fewer murders than a backward, superstitious one, then it is the opposite of what the OP stated. Not partially untrue. THE FUCKING OPPOSITE OF TRUE. And why? Oh, that is plainly obvious as well. Because the worthless superstitions that the people who are ruining this country believe in are based on violent fairy tales:

"This is what the LORD of Heaven's Armies has declared: I have decided to settle accounts with the nation of Amalek for opposing Israel when they came from Egypt. Now go and completely destroy the entire Amalekite nation--men, women, children, babies, cattle, sheep, goats, camels, and donkeys."
-- 1 Samuel 15:2-3

That is called IMMORAL. When troglodytes treat the IMMORAL as sacred, bad things are the result. It doesn't any simpler than that.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ewww.... Your brain is disgusting. Try to clean out some of that massive, insane conservative bias you have going on. Perhaps taking less inspiration from your female heroes like Malkin and Coulter would go a long way.

Leading with one's best foot froward is usually the best advice....

...you. of course, have the disadvantage of having both feet in your mouth.


I note that you've enumerated every single mistake and error in the OP.....



That's correct: none.

Wow. It takes a serious amount of derangement to not comprehend that the ENTIRE OP was a fallacy Obviously, if a liberal, secular society has fewer murders than a backward, superstitious one, then it is the opposite of what the OP stated. Not partially untrue. THE FUCKING OPPOSITE OF TRUE. And why? Oh, that is plainly obvious as well. Because the worthless superstitions that the people who are ruining this country believe in are based on violent fairy tales:

"This is what the LORD of Heaven's Armies has declared: I have decided to settle accounts with the nation of Amalek for opposing Israel when they came from Egypt. Now go and completely destroy the entire Amalekite nation--men, women, children, babies, cattle, sheep, goats, camels, and donkeys."
-- 1 Samuel 15:2-3

That is called IMMORAL. When troglodytes treat the IMMORAL as sacred, bad things are the result. It doesn't any simpler than that.

1. Your language certainly falls to less than civil when you get put in your place, doesn't it.


2. "the ENTIRE OP was a fallacy"

Actually, it is entirely true.


3. "Obviously, if a liberal, secular society has fewer murders than a backward, superstitious one, then it is the opposite of what the OP stated."

Now, see....when you are this upset,...you lose even the limited ability you had.

Point? There is only one society at issue, and that is the Liberal secular one represented by the University of West Georgia.
There is no other society in the OP.

You see...one plus none......is only one.


4. The biblical quotation is from three millennia ago. Didn't you realize that?
See what I mean about limited ability?


5. "...based on violent fairy tales..."

Here, out of pity, let me teach you:

a. To embrace the philosophy of the Left, it is almost imperative that one reject the Bible, and religion in general. The urge of the Left to surrender choice and self government for illusion, to insist on statism and government rule rather than citizens ruling the government, is a rejection of the lesson of the Exodus.

b. The Left embraces socialism, the herd mentality of slavery. Socialism and the other totalist modes offers the incalculable benefit of freedom from thought. There are no more disquieting choices, no contradictions, there is the simple act of submission to the herd, in which the ideas of all are the same, and, therefore, equal.

c. The Bible is the wisdom of the West. It is from the precepts of the Bible that the legal systems of the West have been developed- systems, worked out over millennia, for dealing with inequality, with injustice, with greed, reducible to that which Christians call the Golden Rule, and the Jews had propounded as “That which is hateful to you, don not do to your neighbor.” It is these rules and laws which form a framework which allows the individual foreknowledge of that which is permitted and that which is forbidden.
The above from Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge"


Now...don't you feel better already?

 

[Agit8r]

There is only one society at issue, and that is the Liberal secular one represented by the University of West Georgia.
There is no other society in the OP.

You see...one plus none......is only one.

Strawman. There is nothing indicative that racial hatred was taught there. It was only stated that the offender's views were based upon his understanding of anthropology. That says less about what he was taught than it does about his cognition, which his deranged behavior suggests is pretty suspect, whereas the many good and productive people who emerge from public education suggest that it is not.

4. The biblical quotation is from three millennia ago. Didn't you realize that?
See what I mean about limited ability?

Sure. But if a person is foolish enough to take the bible literally (people who deny science, for instance) then it still teaches an awful lesson that people have no individual rights--a common theme throughout the Old Testament, sadly. Just ask Jephthah's daughter

To embrace the philosophy of the Left, it is almost imperative that one reject the Bible and religion in general. The urge of the Left to surrender choice and self government for illusion, to insist on statism and government rule rather than citizens ruling the government, is a rejection of the lesson of the Exodus.

Bullshit. Liberalism is based on humanism, whether it is the religious humanism of Locke, or secular humanism. The only difference being that the secular humanist requires no deity for mankind to belong to in order to justify the common belief that "being furnished with like faculties, sharing all in one community of nature, there cannot be supposed any such subordination among us, that may authorize us to destroy one another, as if we were made for one another's uses"

The Left embraces socialism, the herd mentality of slavery. Socialism and the other totalist modes offers the incalculable benefit of freedom from thought. There are no more disquieting choices, no contradictions, there is the simple act of submission to the herd, in which the ideas of all are the same, and, therefore, equal.

Strawman. Not even worth dignifying

The Bible is the wisdom of the West. It is from the precepts of the Bible that the legal systems of the West have been developed- systems, worked out over millennia, for dealing with inequality, with injustice, with greed, reducible to that which Christians call the Golden Rule, and the Jews had propounded as “That which is hateful to you, don not do to your neighbor.” It is these rules and laws which form a framework which allows the individual foreknowledge of that which is permitted and that which is forbidden.
The above from Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge"

It is great that the Mainline denominations and some others blot out the bad parts of the religious narrative, and have no use for fundamentalism--the Terror which has plagued our last decade and a half. I have little to complain about of faith that is tempered with reason, whether Christian of any other.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is only one society at issue, and that is the Liberal secular one represented by the University of West Georgia.
There is no other society in the OP.

You see...one plus none......is only one.

Strawman. There is nothing indicative that racial hatred was taught there. It was only stated that the offender's views were based upon his understanding of anthropology. That says less about what he was taught than it does about his cognition, which his deranged behavior suggests is pretty suspect, whereas the many good and productive people who emerge from public education suggest that it is not.

4. The biblical quotation is from three millennia ago. Didn't you realize that?
See what I mean about limited ability?

Sure. But if a person is foolish enough to take the bible literally (people who deny science, for instance) then it still teaches an awful lesson that people have no individual rights--a common theme throughout the Old Testament, sadly. Just ask Jephthah's daughter



Bullshit. Liberalism is based on humanism, whether it is the religious humanism of Locke, or secular humanism. The only difference being that the secular humanist requires no deity for mankind to belong to in order to justify the common belief that "being furnished with like faculties, sharing all in one community of nature, there cannot be supposed any such subordination among us, that may authorize us to destroy one another, as if we were made for one another's uses"

The Left embraces socialism, the herd mentality of slavery. Socialism and the other totalist modes offers the incalculable benefit of freedom from thought. There are no more disquieting choices, no contradictions, there is the simple act of submission to the herd, in which the ideas of all are the same, and, therefore, equal.

Strawman. Not even worth dignifying

The Bible is the wisdom of the West. It is from the precepts of the Bible that the legal systems of the West have been developed- systems, worked out over millennia, for dealing with inequality, with injustice, with greed, reducible to that which Christians call the Golden Rule, and the Jews had propounded as “That which is hateful to you, don not do to your neighbor.” It is these rules and laws which form a framework which allows the individual foreknowledge of that which is permitted and that which is forbidden.
The above from Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge"

It is great that the Mainline denominations and some others blot out the bad parts of the religious narrative, and have no use for fundamentalism--the Terror which has plagued our last decade and a half. I have little to complain about of faith that is tempered with reason, whether Christian of any other.

1. "There is nothing indicative that racial hatred was taught there."
Except for the expert testimony of the convicted killer who was there.


2. "But if a person is foolish enough to take the bible literally..."
How about figuratively? Everyone I know speaks of the bible as both metaphor and allegory designed to teach one how to live.

3. " Liberalism is based on humanism, whether it is the religious humanism of Locke, or secular humanism."
Actually....no.
Liberalism is based on replacing God with government. And it is truly based on worship.
People don't count.....only the collective does.

Were you an educated person, you would be aware of the distinction between the American Revolution, instituted by folks who believed in the bible, and the French Revolution, based on replacing Christianity with a religion based on reason and the common will. Robespierre, using Rousseau's writings, actually said that death is the sentence for any not agreeing to the 'common will.' This view gave the world every totalitarian regime since.

And, sure enough, you used the phrase "...to justify the common belief..."



4. "The Left embraces socialism, the herd mentality of slavery."
And you wrote "Not even worth dignifying."
You really mean '...I'm not able to deny...'

The putative father of Leftism, Liberalism is Hegel.
“All the worth which the human being possesses - all spiritual reality, he possesses only through the State.” Hegel and Totalitarianism


5. "It is great that the Mainline denominations and some others blot out the bad parts of the religious narrative,....

Wow....you go out of your way to prove me correct!

a.The percentage of Americans who attend and belong to a church has remained constant for over 70 years. But predominantly liberal mainline Protestant denominations have lost members for over 50 years. “From 1960 to 1988, mainline church membership declined from 31 million to 25 million, then fell to 21 million in 2005.[6][7] Today, they are a minority among American Protestants, claiming approximately 15 percent of American adults among their adherents.[8]” Mainline Protestant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

b. Could it be that their elite’s rejection of traditional beliefs and embrace of the Gospel of “social justice” has something to do with it? Another coincidence: the shift to the left started right around the time the Progressive era was getting into full swing.


Let me guess: your 'education' is via government schooling.....True?


I am having altogether too much fun beating the heck out of you.
I'm almost feeling guilty.
Almost.

 

[initforme]

funny, where is all this so called liberal education? My kids attended public school and you could not find one iota or clue of liberalism in their studies. I dare you to do so.

 

[Luissa]

1. "Former security guard Nkosi Thandiwe was found guilty of murdering a woman and wounding two others during a shooting spree in July of 2011 and has been sentenced to life without parole,...

2. He confessed to the crimes during his testimony last week, adding some chilling details about his motivation. And prosecutors argued that Thandiwe was fueled by racist hate against whites.

3. ...he still remembers what prompted the violence by his own twisted rationale. He cited anti-white ideas he learned at university.

4. .... Thandiwe suggested that his reason for even purchasing the gun he used in the shootings was to enforce beliefs he’d developed about white people during his later years as an anthropology major at the University of West Georgia.

5. “I was trying to prove a point that Europeans had colonized the world, and as a result of that, we see a lot of evil today,” he said. “In terms of slavery, it was something that needed to be answered for. I was trying to spread the message of making white people mend.”

6. He said the night before the shooting, he attended a so-called “Peace Party” intended to address his concerns about helping the black community find equal footing, but two white people were there.

7. ...he shot Brittney Watts, Lauren Garcia and Tiffany Ferenczy because he had adopted all these racist ideals,” she said. “If race disorder was a [mental illness], then the Ku Klux Klan could murder and kill with impunity.”

8. ...he shot Lauren Garcia, 24, and Tiffany Ferenczy, 24, while they were walking across Crescent Avenue to a nearby restaurant on their lunch break....Garcia’s injuries left her paralyzed."
Convicted Killer Says He Shot 3 White Women Because of Ideas Learned at University: ?In Terms of Slavery, It Was Something That Had to Be Answered For? | Video | TheBlaze.com






9. "Leftism is so pervasive, that if applied to any other way of looking at life, it would be widely recognized as a form of brainwashing! Image a person who attended only fundamental Christian schools from preschool through graduate school, who never saw a secular, let alone anti-Christian, film, and who only read religious books. Most would say that they had been ‘brainwashed.” Yet, we regularly find individuals who only attended secular liberal schools from preschool through college, watched or listened to only Left-of-center television, movies, music, and had essentially no exposure to religious or conservative ideas. Brainwashed?

Of course not! Liberals are open-minded!!! The irony here is that the denial itself shows how very effective the brainwashing has been.

Now, Christians or Jews who have rarely been exposed to secular ideas and values would readily acknowledge same. It is only those on the Left who fool themselves into believing that they have been exposed to all points of view.

10. Universities have become to Liberalism what a Christian seminary is to Christianity. The difference is that Christian seminaries acknowledge their purpose, to produce committed Christians. "
Prager, "Still The Best Hope," chapter two.

a. “The purpose of a university should be to make a son as unlike his father as possible.” The University's Part in Political Life” (13 March 1909) in PWW (The Papers of Woodrow Wilson) 19:99.


b. Eric Holder D.O.J "We Must Brainwash People About Guns" - YouTube

Wow! I think you have gone over the deep end. Liberal education caused murder? What is wrong with you right wingers?

 

[initforme]

the right wingers want less gov't yet think they establish the morals for us to follow. Too bad they dont follow their own rules.

 

[whitehall]

If any one of the highly publicized mass murderers was a card carrying NRA republican you would have heard about nothing else for as long as it took. The fact that we haven't heard about the political orientation of the mass murderers is because they are all registered left wing democrats. Anybody think the pink haired freakazoid who shot up the movie theater was a republican? The Kindergarten shooter was a democrat. The Va Tech mass killer was a democrat. The Tuscon shooter was a democrat and of course the jihad Army major who the administration refuses to prosecute was a left wing democrat.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. "Former security guard Nkosi Thandiwe was found guilty of murdering a woman and wounding two others during a shooting spree in July of 2011 and has been sentenced to life without parole,...

2. He confessed to the crimes during his testimony last week, adding some chilling details about his motivation. And prosecutors argued that Thandiwe was fueled by racist hate against whites.

3. ...he still remembers what prompted the violence by his own twisted rationale. He cited anti-white ideas he learned at university.

4. .... Thandiwe suggested that his reason for even purchasing the gun he used in the shootings was to enforce beliefs he’d developed about white people during his later years as an anthropology major at the University of West Georgia.

5. “I was trying to prove a point that Europeans had colonized the world, and as a result of that, we see a lot of evil today,” he said. “In terms of slavery, it was something that needed to be answered for. I was trying to spread the message of making white people mend.”

6. He said the night before the shooting, he attended a so-called “Peace Party” intended to address his concerns about helping the black community find equal footing, but two white people were there.

7. ...he shot Brittney Watts, Lauren Garcia and Tiffany Ferenczy because he had adopted all these racist ideals,” she said. “If race disorder was a [mental illness], then the Ku Klux Klan could murder and kill with impunity.”

8. ...he shot Lauren Garcia, 24, and Tiffany Ferenczy, 24, while they were walking across Crescent Avenue to a nearby restaurant on their lunch break....Garcia’s injuries left her paralyzed."
Convicted Killer Says He Shot 3 White Women Because of Ideas Learned at University: ?In Terms of Slavery, It Was Something That Had to Be Answered For? | Video | TheBlaze.com






9. "Leftism is so pervasive, that if applied to any other way of looking at life, it would be widely recognized as a form of brainwashing! Image a person who attended only fundamental Christian schools from preschool through graduate school, who never saw a secular, let alone anti-Christian, film, and who only read religious books. Most would say that they had been ‘brainwashed.” Yet, we regularly find individuals who only attended secular liberal schools from preschool through college, watched or listened to only Left-of-center television, movies, music, and had essentially no exposure to religious or conservative ideas. Brainwashed?

Of course not! Liberals are open-minded!!! The irony here is that the denial itself shows how very effective the brainwashing has been.

Now, Christians or Jews who have rarely been exposed to secular ideas and values would readily acknowledge same. It is only those on the Left who fool themselves into believing that they have been exposed to all points of view.

10. Universities have become to Liberalism what a Christian seminary is to Christianity. The difference is that Christian seminaries acknowledge their purpose, to produce committed Christians. "
Prager, "Still The Best Hope," chapter two.

a. “The purpose of a university should be to make a son as unlike his father as possible.” The University's Part in Political Life” (13 March 1909) in PWW (The Papers of Woodrow Wilson) 19:99.


b. Eric Holder D.O.J "We Must Brainwash People About Guns" - YouTube

Wow! I think you have gone over the deep end. Liberal education caused murder? What is wrong with you right wingers?

Wrong allusion....


Not "over the deep end....."


Simply 'over your head.'

 

[PoliticalChic]

the right wingers want less gov't yet think they establish the morals for us to follow. Too bad they dont follow their own rules.

"the right wingers want less gov't yet think they establish the morals for us to follow."

That is the Leftist version of the truth.
It is short,...pointed,....and wrong.


David Mamet wrote this:

1. Justice means choice. The choice must be by recourse and devotion to laws made impartially, without respect to individuals, and applied impartially.

2. This is the great contribution of our Judeo-Christian foundation to Western civilization. The principles of justice are laid down in the Torah and the Gospels, and implemented through human actions memorialized in judicial codes.

a. The written laws and rules are codifications of the unwritten ones worked out over millennia as the result of human interactions and experience.

3. But the execution of the laws must take into account human frailty, and must acknowledge the limits of reason, and, therefore, resort to impartial statutes in order to be fair.

4. The Bible is the wisdom of the West. It is from the precepts of the Bible that the legal systems of the West have been developed- systems, worked out over millennia, for dealing with inequality, with injustice, with greed, reducible t that which Christians call the Golden Rule, and the Jews had propounded as “That which is hateful to you, don not do to your neighbor.” It is these rules and laws which form a framework which allows the individual foreknowledge of that which is permitted and that which is forbidden.


And you find problems with the above....where?