Let's rape each other a little.

[Granny]

It's one thing to beat the crap out of somebody and quite another to rape someone. Sure, the bruises, cuts, and scratches, go away ... but the trauma does not. There are all kinds of repercussions from rape. Years ago the pretty standard defense argument was "well, she was asking for it." Women don't ask to be brutally raped. Do you think it's really fun if, for instance, a woman is kidnapped and held for days or weeks and repeatedly having some strange man rape her off and on day and night. Do you think it's fun if, say, the rape victim is 8-10 or even in her teens, the act itself is so brutal that it destroys her ability to ever marry (or not) and have a child of her own later on in her life? What if the victim is married and some stranger breaks in while her spouse is away? Do you not think the spouse is not also victimized by this? Most women are smaller and/or weaker than a man and can't fight back "like a man." Are you kidding me? If some man had casual sex with a woman, contracted HIV and then went on a rampage of rage at ALL women and started raping multiple women, and THEY contracted HIV, that it would be fun and of no consequence? And you imagine in your mind that if you were raped while in prison that you could could "fight like a man" if six or eight prisoners held you down and took their turns with you ... and it would be no big deal ... you wouldn't have any traumatic reaction to that?

 

[anotherlife]

It's one thing to beat the crap out of somebody and quite another to rape someone. Sure, the bruises, cuts, and scratches, go away ... but the trauma does not. There are all kinds of repercussions from rape. Years ago the pretty standard defense argument was "well, she was asking for it." Women don't ask to be brutally raped. Do you think it's really fun if, for instance, a woman is kidnapped and held for days or weeks and repeatedly having some strange man rape her off and on day and night. Do you think it's fun if, say, the rape victim is 8-10 or even in her teens, the act itself is so brutal that it destroys her ability to ever marry (or not) and have a child of her own later on in her life? What if the victim is married and some stranger breaks in while her spouse is away? Do you not think the spouse is not also victimized by this? Most women are smaller and/or weaker than a man and can't fight back "like a man." Are you kidding me? If some man had casual sex with a woman, contracted HIV and then went on a rampage of rage at ALL women and started raping multiple women, and THEY contracted HIV, that it would be fun and of no consequence? And you imagine in your mind that if you were raped while in prison that you could could "fight like a man" if six or eight prisoners held you down and took their turns with you ... and it would be no big deal ... you wouldn't have any traumatic reaction to that?

Maybe now we may be getting somewhere, because this type of specific traumatic reaction is what should be researched and explained in school. The lesbo bullies do a very good job of presenting the attacker's side, but leave a new question which is about the victim's side. Bully psychology is much easier to understand because it is simple, in contrast to victim psychology which is very complex. What can be used to characterize the trauma that rape victims in prison display?

 

[Granny]

It's one thing to beat the crap out of somebody and quite another to rape someone. Sure, the bruises, cuts, and scratches, go away ... but the trauma does not. There are all kinds of repercussions from rape. Years ago the pretty standard defense argument was "well, she was asking for it." Women don't ask to be brutally raped. Do you think it's really fun if, for instance, a woman is kidnapped and held for days or weeks and repeatedly having some strange man rape her off and on day and night. Do you think it's fun if, say, the rape victim is 8-10 or even in her teens, the act itself is so brutal that it destroys her ability to ever marry (or not) and have a child of her own later on in her life? What if the victim is married and some stranger breaks in while her spouse is away? Do you not think the spouse is not also victimized by this? Most women are smaller and/or weaker than a man and can't fight back "like a man." Are you kidding me? If some man had casual sex with a woman, contracted HIV and then went on a rampage of rage at ALL women and started raping multiple women, and THEY contracted HIV, that it would be fun and of no consequence? And you imagine in your mind that if you were raped while in prison that you could could "fight like a man" if six or eight prisoners held you down and took their turns with you ... and it would be no big deal ... you wouldn't have any traumatic reaction to that?

Maybe now we may be getting somewhere, because this type of specific traumatic reaction is what should be researched and explained in school. The lesbo bullies do a very good job of presenting the attacker's side, but leave a new question which is about the victim's side. Bully psychology is much easier to understand because it is simple, in contrast to victim psychology which is very complex. What can be used to characterize the trauma that rape victims in prison display?

I don't know that it should be taught in schools - it's bad enough that parents have pretty much had all their parenting rights taken away from them over the last few decades. It seems more promiscuity is taught than not and in some schools parents are not necessarily welcomed. You can teach your younger children to look both ways before crossing the street, don't talk to strangers or get in a vehicle with strangers - and sometimes it's still not enough. Small children can be easily fooled by strangers. Teenagers? It's just nature - "nothing will happen to me - that only happens to other people." Until it does happen to them. No matter how cautious or how many precautions a women might take, they could still be snatched in a matter of seconds. There aren't any textbooks that cover the entire spectrum of anything and everything that could happen in life. Teachers, counselors, and school nurses are only so good - and many times assume something has happened that actually has not happened at all - and that causes a lot of problems for everybody. False accusations.

As for how to teach someone how not to be raped in prison or how to cope with it if they do get raped - I have no idea. Best thing to do would be not to do the kind of stuff that could land you in prison in the first place.

 

[DGS49]

One problem in this public discussion is the expansion of the definition of rape.

Where you have someone who violently subdues a woman (or employs a serious threat of violence) and forces sexual intercourse, then, no problem. Castrate and/or shoot the bastard, or if that's not possible, send him to prison for a long, long time.

Surely, the emotional trauma to the woman will be long-lasting, and possibly never curable.

But date rape, revocation of consent after sobering up, "unwanted sexual contact" lumped I n together with the above act, treating the perpetrator the same as the rapist above...may not be warranted.

 

[Coyote]

I think it is possible, that rape was statued in as separate from assault, because of liberal legislative initiatives in the 20th century, and had no special status before that time. So, can rape legislation be classified as simply a clever money maker for some lawyers?

The reason is, because it isn't simple assault - it's theft. Aggravated theft.

It can rob a woman of her future, or self-esteem, reducing her to something who's sole value is to satisfy some animals sexual urges, by force. In some societies it can rob of her life, family, and future prospects. In no other type of "assault" is the victim blamed for provoking it.

But mostly, it's theft, and what is taken can not be returned.

 

[Coyote]

It's one thing to beat the crap out of somebody and quite another to rape someone. Sure, the bruises, cuts, and scratches, go away ... but the trauma does not. There are all kinds of repercussions from rape. Years ago the pretty standard defense argument was "well, she was asking for it." Women don't ask to be brutally raped. Do you think it's really fun if, for instance, a woman is kidnapped and held for days or weeks and repeatedly having some strange man rape her off and on day and night. Do you think it's fun if, say, the rape victim is 8-10 or even in her teens, the act itself is so brutal that it destroys her ability to ever marry (or not) and have a child of her own later on in her life? What if the victim is married and some stranger breaks in while her spouse is away? Do you not think the spouse is not also victimized by this? Most women are smaller and/or weaker than a man and can't fight back "like a man." Are you kidding me? If some man had casual sex with a woman, contracted HIV and then went on a rampage of rage at ALL women and started raping multiple women, and THEY contracted HIV, that it would be fun and of no consequence? And you imagine in your mind that if you were raped while in prison that you could could "fight like a man" if six or eight prisoners held you down and took their turns with you ... and it would be no big deal ... you wouldn't have any traumatic reaction to that?

Maybe now we may be getting somewhere, because this type of specific traumatic reaction is what should be researched and explained in school. The lesbo bullies do a very good job of presenting the attacker's side, but leave a new question which is about the victim's side. Bully psychology is much easier to understand because it is simple, in contrast to victim psychology which is very complex. What can be used to characterize the trauma that rape victims in prison display?

What lesbo bullies are you talking about?

 

[Trump.Stamped]

I think it is possible, that rape was statued in as separate from assault, because of liberal legislative initiatives in the 20th century, and had no special status before that time. So, can rape legislation be classified as simply a clever money maker for some lawyers?

So you think that being punched in the face and being raped amount to the same thing? That is simply sad.

Well, let's see, being punched in the face causes various bruises and swells on your face. Rape causes the same thing, only not on your face but elsewhere. If a very big bully punches you in the face, your fight back chances maybe as minimal as when you get raped. So, what is the difference?

Are you telling me that being hit in the face is the same? It is not just about visible bruises. The mental trauma is worse.

Are you saying that if you went to jail, and some huge convict bent you over and raped you, the ONLY damage done would be bruising?

If he liked it, then yes.

 

[GHook93]

I think it is possible, that rape was statued in as separate from assault, because of liberal legislative initiatives in the 20th century, and had no special status before that time. So, can rape legislation be classified as simply a clever money maker for some lawyers?

That is pure ignorance and so off!

 

[GHook93]

I think it is possible, that rape was statued in as separate from assault, because of liberal legislative initiatives in the 20th century, and had no special status before that time. So, can rape legislation be classified as simply a clever money maker for some lawyers?

So you think that being punched in the face and being raped amount to the same thing? That is simply sad.

Well, let's see, being punched in the face causes various bruises and swells on your face. Rape causes the same thing, only not on your face but elsewhere. If a very big bully punches you in the face, your fight back chances maybe as minimal as when you get raped. So, what is the difference?

We are talking assault not attempted murder. If you get punched in the face and knocked out you recover and mental trauma is far less. If you are raped, most of the time you are beaten also, but it could be far worse. 1. You could be pregnant, 2. You could get and STD and 3. The mental trauma is far far worse. You have not a clue of what you are talking about!

I knew a girl in highschool. She was an honor student, happy friendly, pleasant, athletic (basketball player). She went to Great America. When leaving she had to go to bathroom, so she told her friend she would meet her at the car. When walking through the parking lot she got pulled into a van and was gang raped. Not permanent damage, no STDs and no pregnancy, but the mental trauma took it's toll. She wasn't happy any more, was introverted, quit the basketball team and eventually left school to be homeschooled.

You are a clueless fuck!

 

[anotherlife]

I think it is possible, that rape was statued in as separate from assault, because of liberal legislative initiatives in the 20th century, and had no special status before that time. So, can rape legislation be classified as simply a clever money maker for some lawyers?

So you think that being punched in the face and being raped amount to the same thing? That is simply sad.

Well, let's see, being punched in the face causes various bruises and swells on your face. Rape causes the same thing, only not on your face but elsewhere. If a very big bully punches you in the face, your fight back chances maybe as minimal as when you get raped. So, what is the difference?

We are talking assault not attempted murder. If you get punched in the face and knocked out you recover and mental trauma is far less. If you are raped, most of the time you are beaten also, but it could be far worse. 1. You could be pregnant, 2. You could get and STD and 3. The mental trauma is far far worse. You have not a clue of what you are talking about!

I knew a girl in highschool. She was an honor student, happy friendly, pleasant, athletic (basketball player). She went to Great America. When leaving she had to go to bathroom, so she told her friend she would meet her at the car. When walking through the parking lot she got pulled into a van and was gang raped. Not permanent damage, no STDs and no pregnancy, but the mental trauma took it's toll. She wasn't happy any more, was introverted, quit the basketball team and eventually left school to be homeschooled.

You are a clueless fuck!

You are clueless too, it seems, because you provide no theory on the lack of her recovery. So far the best analysis was Coyote's #25, that modeled the rape process as theft. That does have a potential to explain the lack of recovery.

 

[WinterBorn]

I think it is possible, that rape was statued in as separate from assault, because of liberal legislative initiatives in the 20th century, and had no special status before that time. So, can rape legislation be classified as simply a clever money maker for some lawyers?

So you think that being punched in the face and being raped amount to the same thing? That is simply sad.

Well, let's see, being punched in the face causes various bruises and swells on your face. Rape causes the same thing, only not on your face but elsewhere. If a very big bully punches you in the face, your fight back chances maybe as minimal as when you get raped. So, what is the difference?

We are talking assault not attempted murder. If you get punched in the face and knocked out you recover and mental trauma is far less. If you are raped, most of the time you are beaten also, but it could be far worse. 1. You could be pregnant, 2. You could get and STD and 3. The mental trauma is far far worse. You have not a clue of what you are talking about!

I knew a girl in highschool. She was an honor student, happy friendly, pleasant, athletic (basketball player). She went to Great America. When leaving she had to go to bathroom, so she told her friend she would meet her at the car. When walking through the parking lot she got pulled into a van and was gang raped. Not permanent damage, no STDs and no pregnancy, but the mental trauma took it's toll. She wasn't happy any more, was introverted, quit the basketball team and eventually left school to be homeschooled.

You are a clueless fuck!

You are clueless too, it seems, because you provide no theory on the lack of her recovery. So far the best analysis was Coyote's #25, that modeled the rape process as theft. That does have a potential to explain the lack of recovery.

The best explanation for any of the issues women face after being raped is called "Trauma". There is a very real mental trauma involved. That you want it to be abouit physical bruises is irrelevant.

 

[koshergrl]

Ah, progressives discussing the finer philosophical points of rape and sexual assault.

You are sooo cool.

 

[anotherlife]

I think it is possible, that rape was statued in as separate from assault, because of liberal legislative initiatives in the 20th century, and had no special status before that time. So, can rape legislation be classified as simply a clever money maker for some lawyers?

So you think that being punched in the face and being raped amount to the same thing? That is simply sad.

Well, let's see, being punched in the face causes various bruises and swells on your face. Rape causes the same thing, only not on your face but elsewhere. If a very big bully punches you in the face, your fight back chances maybe as minimal as when you get raped. So, what is the difference?

We are talking assault not attempted murder. If you get punched in the face and knocked out you recover and mental trauma is far less. If you are raped, most of the time you are beaten also, but it could be far worse. 1. You could be pregnant, 2. You could get and STD and 3. The mental trauma is far far worse. You have not a clue of what you are talking about!

I knew a girl in highschool. She was an honor student, happy friendly, pleasant, athletic (basketball player). She went to Great America. When leaving she had to go to bathroom, so she told her friend she would meet her at the car. When walking through the parking lot she got pulled into a van and was gang raped. Not permanent damage, no STDs and no pregnancy, but the mental trauma took it's toll. She wasn't happy any more, was introverted, quit the basketball team and eventually left school to be homeschooled.

You are a clueless fuck!

You are clueless too, it seems, because you provide no theory on the lack of her recovery. So far the best analysis was Coyote's #25, that modeled the rape process as theft. That does have a potential to explain the lack of recovery.

The best explanation for any of the issues women face after being raped is called "Trauma". There is a very real mental trauma involved. That you want it to be abouit physical bruises is irrelevant.

Why is trauma a good label? Trauma implies a possibility of recovery, and this doesn't hold in the case of rape. By the way, this contradicts my assault theory in the OP too. Rape is unique in that it has no recovery path. Now I begin to think it is like mental mutilation or reprogramming. Quite unique, and maybe this is why it is used as a weapon of war too.

 

[anotherlife]

Ah, progressives discussing the finer philosophical points of rape and sexual assault.

You are sooo cool.

Yes. We progressives need a good way to check how deep we can penetrate into your pocket. This is best done, by first checking how deep we can penetrate into your ... other parts. But don't worry, for a little extra on one of your statutory accounts, we can put you in a special bracket.

 

[WinterBorn]

So you think that being punched in the face and being raped amount to the same thing? That is simply sad.

Well, let's see, being punched in the face causes various bruises and swells on your face. Rape causes the same thing, only not on your face but elsewhere. If a very big bully punches you in the face, your fight back chances maybe as minimal as when you get raped. So, what is the difference?

We are talking assault not attempted murder. If you get punched in the face and knocked out you recover and mental trauma is far less. If you are raped, most of the time you are beaten also, but it could be far worse. 1. You could be pregnant, 2. You could get and STD and 3. The mental trauma is far far worse. You have not a clue of what you are talking about!

I knew a girl in highschool. She was an honor student, happy friendly, pleasant, athletic (basketball player). She went to Great America. When leaving she had to go to bathroom, so she told her friend she would meet her at the car. When walking through the parking lot she got pulled into a van and was gang raped. Not permanent damage, no STDs and no pregnancy, but the mental trauma took it's toll. She wasn't happy any more, was introverted, quit the basketball team and eventually left school to be homeschooled.

You are a clueless fuck!

You are clueless too, it seems, because you provide no theory on the lack of her recovery. So far the best analysis was Coyote's #25, that modeled the rape process as theft. That does have a potential to explain the lack of recovery.

The best explanation for any of the issues women face after being raped is called "Trauma". There is a very real mental trauma involved. That you want it to be abouit physical bruises is irrelevant.

Why is trauma a good label? Trauma implies a possibility of recovery, and this doesn't hold in the case of rape. By the way, this contradicts my assault theory in the OP too. Rape is unique in that it has no recovery path. Now I begin to think it is like mental mutilation or reprogramming. Quite unique, and maybe this is why it is used as a weapon of war too.

I don't know that trauma necessarily means a possibility of a total recovery. In fact, I'm not sure it means recovery at all.

But, with professional treatment, rape victims can get beyond the point that the trauma is debilitating.

 

[koshergrl]

Ah, progressives discussing the finer philosophical points of rape and sexual assault.

You are sooo cool.

Yes. We progressives need a good way to check how deep we can penetrate into your pocket. This is best done, by first checking how deep we can penetrate into your ... other parts. But don't worry, for a little extra on one of your statutory accounts, we can put you in a special bracket.

As I surmised, you are a psychopath.

Most progressive douchebags are.

 

[anotherlife]

Well, let's see, being punched in the face causes various bruises and swells on your face. Rape causes the same thing, only not on your face but elsewhere. If a very big bully punches you in the face, your fight back chances maybe as minimal as when you get raped. So, what is the difference?

We are talking assault not attempted murder. If you get punched in the face and knocked out you recover and mental trauma is far less. If you are raped, most of the time you are beaten also, but it could be far worse. 1. You could be pregnant, 2. You could get and STD and 3. The mental trauma is far far worse. You have not a clue of what you are talking about!

I knew a girl in highschool. She was an honor student, happy friendly, pleasant, athletic (basketball player). She went to Great America. When leaving she had to go to bathroom, so she told her friend she would meet her at the car. When walking through the parking lot she got pulled into a van and was gang raped. Not permanent damage, no STDs and no pregnancy, but the mental trauma took it's toll. She wasn't happy any more, was introverted, quit the basketball team and eventually left school to be homeschooled.

You are a clueless fuck!

You are clueless too, it seems, because you provide no theory on the lack of her recovery. So far the best analysis was Coyote's #25, that modeled the rape process as theft. That does have a potential to explain the lack of recovery.

The best explanation for any of the issues women face after being raped is called "Trauma". There is a very real mental trauma involved. That you want it to be abouit physical bruises is irrelevant.

Why is trauma a good label? Trauma implies a possibility of recovery, and this doesn't hold in the case of rape. By the way, this contradicts my assault theory in the OP too. Rape is unique in that it has no recovery path. Now I begin to think it is like mental mutilation or reprogramming. Quite unique, and maybe this is why it is used as a weapon of war too.

I don't know that trauma necessarily means a possibility of a total recovery. In fact, I'm not sure it means recovery at all.

But, with professional treatment, rape victims can get beyond the point that the trauma is debilitating.

This is interesting. We can accept that rape victims are not repairable. So now, since everyone can be raped, with various likelihoods, we can derive, that rape is a vehicle of the evolution of human psychology, into states that are not yet evaluated, in a statistical sense. Also, given enough time, this means that the current pre-rape inflicted public is only in a transitionary state, to achieve the post-rape state.

 

[anotherlife]

Ah, progressives discussing the finer philosophical points of rape and sexual assault.

You are sooo cool.

Yes. We progressives need a good way to check how deep we can penetrate into your pocket. This is best done, by first checking how deep we can penetrate into your ... other parts. But don't worry, for a little extra on one of your statutory accounts, we can put you in a special bracket.

As I surmised, you are a psychopath.

Most progressive douchebags are.

See, this is the problem with you conservatives. You don't want to share. But if you just shared a little part of yourself, then we progressives wouldn't need to rape you now would we? Hehehe.

 

[WinterBorn]

We are talking assault not attempted murder. If you get punched in the face and knocked out you recover and mental trauma is far less. If you are raped, most of the time you are beaten also, but it could be far worse. 1. You could be pregnant, 2. You could get and STD and 3. The mental trauma is far far worse. You have not a clue of what you are talking about!

I knew a girl in highschool. She was an honor student, happy friendly, pleasant, athletic (basketball player). She went to Great America. When leaving she had to go to bathroom, so she told her friend she would meet her at the car. When walking through the parking lot she got pulled into a van and was gang raped. Not permanent damage, no STDs and no pregnancy, but the mental trauma took it's toll. She wasn't happy any more, was introverted, quit the basketball team and eventually left school to be homeschooled.

You are a clueless fuck!

You are clueless too, it seems, because you provide no theory on the lack of her recovery. So far the best analysis was Coyote's #25, that modeled the rape process as theft. That does have a potential to explain the lack of recovery.

The best explanation for any of the issues women face after being raped is called "Trauma". There is a very real mental trauma involved. That you want it to be abouit physical bruises is irrelevant.

Why is trauma a good label? Trauma implies a possibility of recovery, and this doesn't hold in the case of rape. By the way, this contradicts my assault theory in the OP too. Rape is unique in that it has no recovery path. Now I begin to think it is like mental mutilation or reprogramming. Quite unique, and maybe this is why it is used as a weapon of war too.

I don't know that trauma necessarily means a possibility of a total recovery. In fact, I'm not sure it means recovery at all.

But, with professional treatment, rape victims can get beyond the point that the trauma is debilitating.

This is interesting. We can accept that rape victims are not repairable. So now, since everyone can be raped, with various likelihoods, we can derive, that rape is a vehicle of the evolution of human psychology, into states that are not yet evaluated, in a statistical sense. Also, given enough time, this means that the current pre-rape inflicted public is only in a transitionary state, to achieve the post-rape state.

Who accepts that rape victims cannot be healed?

And, FYI, the trauma suffered by a rape victim is similar to the trauma suffered by victims of other attacks. PTSD is one.

 

[WinterBorn]

Ah, progressives discussing the finer philosophical points of rape and sexual assault.

You are sooo cool.

Yes. We progressives need a good way to check how deep we can penetrate into your pocket. This is best done, by first checking how deep we can penetrate into your ... other parts. But don't worry, for a little extra on one of your statutory accounts, we can put you in a special bracket.

As I surmised, you are a psychopath.

Most progressive douchebags are.

See, this is the problem with you conservatives. You don't want to share. But if you just shared a little part of yourself, then we progressives wouldn't need to rape you now would we? Hehehe.

Every liberal I have ever known understood that the trauma from being raped went farther than genital bruising.