Let us discuss this openly... What exactly IS the "two states solution"?

[teddyearp]

There are plenty of examples. Rhodesia, Algeria, South Africa, Istria etc.

Did you even read the OP? When you do, then get back to us with a real solution that applies to Israel and Palestine, not some other country.

It is a simple request. And I know you are not a simpleton.

 

[teddyearp]

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

Of course other international law would be in place like it would be illegal to expel any of the legal residents of the territory.

While this is a baby step in a direction, you still fall far far short of what Lipush and now I and now Shusha is asking of you. You do not even suggest anything at all concrete in your copy/paste, like borders for example.

Instead of copying and pasting from old documents, can you post in your own words what your opinion of a workable solution is?

 

[teddyearp]

All you do is troll. But it's fun watching your dumb.

Trolling? Just because you don't know how to post in an intelligent manner; I can see why you would call that trolling.

Oh hey BTW grammar cop, "it's fun watching your dumb". What do you mean there?

All you do is try to get under peoples' skin. I know you're starting to get under mine.

One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

Link:Urban Dictionary: troll

I wonder who that could be here?

 

[Shusha]

All you do is troll. But it's fun watching your dumb.

I know, right? How DARE I post an intelligent response, in keeping with the topic of the thread, engaging in real conversation in my own words instead of posting a senseless and inflammatory and off-topic meme! Damn, Jews are just NASTY, aren't they?

Here's a nice random meme to make you feel better:

 

[Indeependent]

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

Of course other international law would be in place like it would be illegal to expel any of the legal residents of the territory.

1. What armed action or repressive measures are still directed against the peoples? Be specific. Do you mean to prevent Israeli military and LEOs from entering Areas A and B? Do you mean to remove all rights of self-defense from Israel? Do you mean the dismantling of the Israeli army? Do you mean to do to Israel what you and monte claim would not be acceptable for Palestine -- total disarmament?

2. Define the national territory. If you mean the entire territory -- a one state solution -- do you mean the Israeli government must be dismantled and replaced with an Arab Palestinian one? Which one? Fatah? Hamas? A new one?

3. Which powers have not been transferred to Hamas and the PA which you think should be transferred? Be specific.

All you do is troll. But it's fun watching your dumb.

I suggest you take the advice of your avatar.

 

[louie888]

All you do is troll. But it's fun watching your dumb.

I know, right? How DARE I post an intelligent response, in keeping with the topic of the thread, engaging in real conversation in my own words instead of posting a senseless and inflammatory and off-topic meme! Damn, Jews are just NASTY, aren't they?

Here's a nice random meme to make you feel better:

You missed the point entirely are simply asking stupid questions to avoid the obvious truth.

That is trolling.

 

[teddyearp]

You missed the point entirely are simply asking stupid questions to avoid the obvious truth.

That is trolling.

You have missed the point of this thread entirely and instead are making stupid posts to avoid making one that actually addresses this thread.

As for 'trolling' see my post #103 above. You're welcome.

 

[Shusha]

louie888

What is your proposed solution to the conflict?

 

[fanger]

One person One vote would be a start

 

[Shusha]

One person One vote would be a start

In the PA and Gaza? I agree wholeheartedly. Let's get an election going for the Palestinians.

 

[fanger]

One person One vote would be a start

In the PA and Gaza? I agree wholeheartedly. Let's get an election going for the Palestinians.

Many of your fellow Zionists claim there is no such thing as Palestinian's from one side of their mouth's, while actually calling the people Palestinian's
If israel is the democracy they claim to be let all inhabitant's under israeli control vote in the israeli
election's

 

[teddyearp]

Many of your fellow Zionists claim there is no such thing as Palestinian's from one side of their mouth's, while actually calling the people Palestinian's

Yes, there have been threads about this, but this is not one of them.

If israel is the democracy they claim to be let all inhabitant's under israeli control vote in the israeli
election's

By "all inhabitants under Israeli control" do you mean those who live in Areas A and B and C? Do they want to vote as Israeli's?

 

[Shusha]

If israel is the democracy they claim to be let all inhabitant's under israeli control vote in the israeli
election's

So, you suggest dismantling the two Palestinian governments? That's a one state solution. I'll start a thread for that. Did you have a solution for two states?

 

[fanger]

Many of your fellow Zionists claim there is no such thing as Palestinian's from one side of their mouth's, while actually calling the people Palestinian's

Yes, there have been threads about this, but this is not one of them.

If israel is the democracy they claim to be let all inhabitant's under israeli control vote in the israeli
election's

By "all inhabitants under Israeli control" do you mean those who live in Areas A and B and C? Do they want to vote as Israeli's?

They may wish to vote as fellow Humans

 

[teddyearp]

Am I the only one who notices which posters are actually trying to find a workable solution here? That they are the ones who are pretty much pro-Israel? Who have been called 'Hasbara' here and other threads? Lipush, the one who started this thread lives in Israel and is definitely pro-Israel. Yet, the anti-Israel crowd have not posted any original solutions at all, but continues with the old arguments.

I find this very telling, am I alone?

 

[louie888]

louie888

What is your proposed solution to the conflict?

and ignore the obvious.

I stand with the traditional Jewish rabbis. One Palestinian state as it was before all the mass murder began.

 

[fanger]

If israel is the democracy they claim to be let all inhabitant's under israeli control vote in the israeli
election's

So, you suggest dismantling the two Palestinian governments? That's a one state solution. I'll start a thread for that. Did you have a solution for two states?

there was a solution for a two state option but sadly that option has passed, say hello to your new leaders, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing Jewish communities in Palestine

 

[teddyearp]

They may wish to vote as fellow Humans

Well, that is funny, but not at all an attempt at a working solution as your reply is so ambiguous as to leave too much to be considered rational.

What, in your own words fanger is your detailed solution as asked for in this thread? Don't worry about the length, no, don't just post a single sentence, nor some copy and paste. Tell us how YOU would really solve the problem.

 

[fanger]

Am I the only one who notices which posters are actually trying to find a workable solution here? That they are the ones who are pretty much pro-Israel? Who have been called 'Hasbara' here and other threads? Lipush, the one who started this thread lives in Israel and is definitely pro-Israel. Yet, the anti-Israel crowd have not posted any original solutions at all, but continues with the old arguments.

I find this very telling, am I alone?

Yep, your alone, probably wanking over porn

 

[Shusha]

I stand with the traditional Jewish rabbis. One Palestinian state as it was before all the mass murder began.

Then I kindly direct you to the other thread which I just posted.