Lesson Within a Lesson

[deannalw]

I like turtles

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Does he? Explain the logic behind your answer.

No.

1) The blind man has a red hat, while the other two men have black hats. Neither of the other two men could then deduce the color of their own hat from what they saw: one black and one red hat.

2) The blind man has a black hat, while the other two men have red hats. Neither of the other two men could then deduce the color of their own hat from what they saw: one black and one red hat.

So, the blind man has a chance of being shot.

 

[ChemEngineer]

I can't wait any longer! Two hundred fifty responses and Jackson was, so far as I can tell, the first to correctly say "zero" for the number of "kits, cats, sacks and wives" going to St Ives. Bravo, Jackson. Nobody figured out the Prisoner Riddle.

The Lessons begin.


Solution to Prisoner Riddle
First prisoner looks at the other two and does NOT see two red hats. Therefore he could have red or black and he answers "I don't know."
Second prisoner looks just at third prisoner to see if HIS is red. If so, second prisoner knows his own is black BECAUSE prisoner one did NOT see two red. Since he does NOT see red, he says "I don't know."
Third prisoner is very smart and reasons that his must be black, so he says "I'm wearing black. Buh bye!"

Solution to English Riddle

"Kits, cats, sacks, wives, how many (of those!) are going to St Ives?" --Zero. None.
They are coming from St Ives as they met the other traveler, en Francais on dit "face en face".

Lesson One

Even with all of the information, different people reach very different conclusions, for all sorts of reasons.


Lesson Within That Lesson

The same is obviously true when discussing politics, science, or anything else. Facts are secondary to how those facts are interpreted. The Left invariably descends into "You're stupid and anti-science" * and so the Right, frustrated by being called stupid and anti-science*, resorts to name-calling as well.

Evolution or climate change discussion, anyone?

[* "Flying spaghetti monster, goddidit, bible-thumper, flat earther, fundy. Anyone who doesn't believe in evolution is either ignorant, stupid, insane or wicked. - Richard Dawkins"]

 

[Shrimpbox]

No that is not correct. The first prisoner could have seen two black hats.

I reject the simplistic conclusion. Yes there is always interpretation, but if something is a fact, then it is incontrovertible. People, and it happens a lot on here, like to develop arguments that omit facts to buttress their arguments. When you use the example of leftists claiming that rightist are dumb and stupid or vice versa you are not dealing with facts, you are dealing with subjective judgements. Any kind of judgement on intelligence as applied to different situations is by nature subjective. So if you want to say everyone’s interpretation is colored by their bias I agree. But to suggest that there is really no finality to some arguments is ridiculous. Polar bear populations are increasing so apparently global warming is not hurting polar bears. End of argument.

I have enjoyed this exercise chem engineer.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Solution to Prisoner Riddle
First prisoner looks at the other two and does NOT see two red hats. Therefore he could have red or black and he answers "I don't know."
Second prisoner looks just at third prisoner to see if HIS is red. If so, second prisoner knows his own is black BECAUSE prisoner one did NOT see two red. Since he does NOT see red, he says "I don't know."
Third prisoner is very smart and reasons that his must be black, so he says "I'm wearing black. Buh bye!"

Wrong. You are only counting combinations, when you should be counting permutations.

 

[ChemEngineer]

No that is not correct. The first prisoner could have seen two black hats.

I said Prisoner One does NOT see two red hats. Whether he sees one red and one black or two blacks is quite immaterial.

I reject the simplistic conclusion. Yes there is always interpretation, but if something is a fact, then it is incontrovertible. People, and it happens a lot on here, like to develop arguments that omit facts to buttress their arguments. When you use the example of leftists claiming that rightist are dumb and stupid or vice versa you are not dealing with facts, you are dealing with subjective judgements. Any kind of judgement on intelligence as applied to different situations is by nature subjective. So if you want to say everyone’s interpretation is colored by their bias I agree. But to suggest that there is really no finality to some arguments is ridiculous. Polar bear populations are increasing so apparently global warming is not hurting polar bears. End of argument.

I have enjoyed this exercise chem engineer.

You began your post by saying "No that is not correct." when you were dealing with incontrovertible facts as I presented them. Leftists call us "racist" and "fascist" because they have been taught to do so and can't think for themselves. If they could, they would not be Leftists any longer.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. I like teaching, but so many Leftists have no desire to learn, ever.
You call it "ridiculous" to claim there is no finality to some arguments? Talk about evolution, Friend. No finality.
Talk about how bad socialism is, when the majority of Millennials think it's Jim Dandy. No finality. Only condescension and "You're stupid," fascist Trump supporter.

 

[Shrimpbox]

The first prisoner either sees two black or one black and one red.

the second prisoner sees the hat of the blind man and prisoner one
They are not two red so they are either two black or one black and one red.

you cannot deduce with certainty what the first man saw or what the second man saw so the blind man has no clue.

the assumption in sentence two of the solution is only one of two possible outcomes

 

[ChemEngineer]

The first prisoner either sees two black or one black and one red.

the second prisoner sees the hat of the blind man and prisoner one
They are not two red so they are either two black or one black and one red.

you cannot deduce with certainty what the first man saw or what the second man saw so the blind man has no clue.

Nobody can deduce with certainty that you have a clue what you are talking about. You just want to argue.
Did you vote for Hillary?

 

[Jackson]

I thought I had the hat riddle quickly. Tell me where I got it wrong. Three black, two red. One prisoner sees one black and one red, so he doesn't know what color his is. The next prisoner sees there is one red and one black also. So he doesn't know. The blind man knows that the others have two reds, The prisoner hears there are two reds on the other two, so the blind man must have the black.

 

[ChemEngineer]

I thought I had the hat riddle quickly. Tell me where I got it wrong. Three black, two red. One prisoner sees one black and one red, so he doesn't know what color his is. The next prisoner sees there is one red and one black also. So he doesn't know. The blind man knows that the others have two reds, The prisoner hears there are two reds on the other two, so the blind man must have the black.

Jackson, my Friend, you misunderstood both the problem as well as the solution I gave you.
Only YOU said "one black and one red." I did not. I said Prisoner Number One does NOT see "two red hats."
Only if he saw two red hats could he be sure that he had a black hat. So he says "I don't know."
Prisoner Number Two realizes the implication and looks to see if Prisoner Number Three is wearing a red hat.
IF he were Prisoner Two would know his hat must be black, but he does not see red on Three and says "I don't know." Ergo Three is wearing black. The other two can both be wearing black as well but that is immaterial.

Lesson within this Lesson: Even AFTER the solution has been proffered, still there is confusion and disagreement, as in politics, religion, evolution, climate change, work, battle, marriage, you name it!

 

[ChemEngineer]

Next Lesson

In memory of Denise Huber

If some decent man, or woman, had stopped to pick up a nail or screw in the street somewhere, Denise Huber would be alive today. But nobody did, and Denise got a flat tire one night in Costa Mesa, California, on the side of the freeway.

I won't go into details, but if some decent man had stopped to help her change her flat tire, Denise Huber would be alive today. But hundreds of men didn't give a damn about a young lady in distress at night. Only a vile monster stopped.

Do you have a mother, or a wife, sister, or daughter that you want to get home safely? We all do. What is keeping you from picking up a nail or screw near an intersection? That's where they almost always fall, for some reason, perhaps trucks turning corners. It's no trouble to stoop over and pick up a hazard. You might even save a life. You'll never know.

Next Lesson

Got kids or grandkids who ride bikes? Tell them to ride them on the sidewalk. When there are pedestrians, ride on the grass or stop and let them walk by. It's really a lot more difficult for cars to run over kids on the sidewalk. It's lawful in my city. Police would rather see kids riding on the sidewalk than getting hit by a car.

Next Lesson

Same kids might play handball up against your garage door. When it bounces out in the street, kids have a singular focus to "rescue" the ball. It's up to you to change that mental fix. After watching my daughters run out into the street, I created a foolproof incentive. "If your ball rolls out into the street and a car runs over it, I'll buy you two new ones! Same goes for your bicycle or anything else. Two new ones. So let the car run over it. But no cheating!"

After that offer, they stopped in their tracks and looked for a car that might run over their ball, so they would get two new ones.

I guarantee it.

Now read your young'uns a great story by James Thurber. I call it Brain Candy. Read it for the first time to them. With panache.

http://ManyMoons1.wordpress.com

 

[luchitociencia]

Great lessons. Thanks.


Here one which helps with children -or adults- with trouble to learn driving bikes. My older one had that kind of trouble and I found the way to fix it fast.

Balance lesson

Buy first a two wheel scooter. The cheap ones impulsed with one foot or the electric one.

After mastering the scooter then driving a bike becomes a piece of cake. They have learned already how to keep balance in a two wheel vehicle.

 

[ChemEngineer]

Balance lesson

Buy first a two wheel scooter. The cheap ones impulsed with one foot or the electric one.

After mastering the scooter then driving a bike becomes a piece of cake. They have learned already how to keep balance in a two wheel vehicle.

Save the price of a scooter and the trouble to learn how to ride it. First ride on a two-wheeler, instruct your little one to keep wiggling the handlebars right and left rapidly. This gets them out of the habit of freezing their hands in one direction, guaranteeing a fall. Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle. They feel the necessary adjustment very quickly, in two or three minutes.

I guarantee it.

 

[luchitociencia]

Save the price of a scooter and the trouble to learn how to ride it. First ride on a two-wheeler, instruct your little one to keep wiggling the handlebars right and left rapidly. This gets them out of the habit of freezing their hands in one direction, guaranteeing a fall. Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle. They feel the necessary adjustment very quickly, in two or three minutes.

I guarantee it.

Aaargghhh

Are you trying to challenge my proven successful technique with 4 children already?

Your technique doesn't work in a situation where mine dances the Macarena with: Fear.

Fear of falling down and get hurt. As soon confidence is obtained using the scooter (sold at $5 -$10 used in Craigslist) the individual will find easy to drive the bike. On of the children who learned this way, when she changed from scooter to bike for the fist time, she was happy and she even said: "ha! I didn't know I already knew how to drive a bike".

Opening the mind to a teenager.

The teenager is not improving his normal desire for becoming independent, and still acting like a child, dependent of parents, the typical "mama's boy" or "daddy's girl".

Solution is very simple. Driving lessons and driver license.

Forget about paying a psychologist.

Driving opens the world to any person. I can bet that driving not only gives "independence" but also increases the capacity of better thinking.

Of course it won't take away "natural negligence" in an individual, but surely will make him have a more resourceful mind to solve problems.

The teenager, is well instructed in life, will have better vision for his future with the help of driving.

The reason is because driving a car is a continued challenge in front of the individual, is paying attention and obeying rules. It is the necessary practice needed in his mind which will contribute to become familiar with those and use the acquired mental experience in other situations in his life.

I would add teenagers learning driving a car not as an optional subject in schools but as part of the school curriculum. It is understood that it's a great risk to be implanted in schools where students are known to be undisciplined, but I think that if these driving lessons are also given to them, they will find something positive from schools provided to their lives. The try of giving them an opportunity is worthy.

A neighbor with troubled son thanked me when I told him that driving helped a lot my children when pulling their driving licenses at 17 years of age. It did work with his son as well. His son continued causing problems but slowly but surely started to become more responsible.

 

[Frannie]

yes..black...he is blind

It is stipulated that he is blind. That does not explain how you arrived at your answer of "black."
Try again.

whether the hat is black or red...he only sees black...so to him...it's black.

A blind man can not see black nor can he describe any color, unless he had sight before going blind

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

yes..black...he is blind

It is stipulated that he is blind. That does not explain how you arrived at your answer of "black."
Try again.

whether the hat is black or red...he only sees black...so to him...it's black.

A blind man can not see black nor can he describe any color, unless he had sight before going blind

Exactly...how do we know? How do we know he has not been blind for a month? Besides that...colors can be described. Black is simply the absence of light.

 

[ChemEngineer]

yes..black...he is blind

It is stipulated that he is blind. That does not explain how you arrived at your answer of "black."
Try again.

whether the hat is black or red...he only sees black...so to him...it's black.

A blind man can not see black nor can he describe any color, unless he had sight before going blind

The Lesson Within A Lesson continues to play out. EVERYONE has the same set of facts and the interpretation continues endlessly. Frannie, what the blind man can't see is immaterial. Maybe he did once have sight. He has reason and ears. So he knows his hat is black, and he goes free. End of subject. It's a hypothetical, hello. Hasn't ever happened and won't ever.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

yes..black...he is blind

It is stipulated that he is blind. That does not explain how you arrived at your answer of "black."
Try again.

whether the hat is black or red...he only sees black...so to him...it's black.

A blind man can not see black nor can he describe any color, unless he had sight before going blind

The Lesson Within A Lesson continues to play out. EVERYONE has the same set of facts and the interpretation continues endlessly. Frannie, what the blind man can't see is immaterial. Maybe he did once have sight. He has reason and ears. So he knows his hat is black, and he goes free. End of subject. It's a hypothetical, hello. Hasn't ever happened and won't ever.

Yeah Frannie so stick it up your ass.

 

[Frannie]

yes..black...he is blind

It is stipulated that he is blind. That does not explain how you arrived at your answer of "black."
Try again.

whether the hat is black or red...he only sees black...so to him...it's black.

A blind man can not see black nor can he describe any color, unless he had sight before going blind

Exactly...how do we know? How do we know he has not been blind for a month? Besides that...colors can be described. Black is simply the absence of light.

Again a blind man can not describe the absence of light

Furthermore black is not the absence of light because black exist in the light

 

[Frannie]

yes..black...he is blind

It is stipulated that he is blind. That does not explain how you arrived at your answer of "black."
Try again.

whether the hat is black or red...he only sees black...so to him...it's black.

A blind man can not see black nor can he describe any color, unless he had sight before going blind

The Lesson Within A Lesson continues to play out. EVERYONE has the same set of facts and the interpretation continues endlessly. Frannie, what the blind man can't see is immaterial. Maybe he did once have sight. He has reason and ears. So he knows his hat is black, and he goes free. End of subject. It's a hypothetical, hello. Hasn't ever happened and won't ever.

I was not answering the riddle I just stated a fact.

You want a riddle, what came first, supermarkets, trucks, farms, chickens or eggs.