less than 6 month jail time left for OBL driver!

[mattskramer]

Wow. At first glance, this seems like a very small sentence.
Your thoughts?

Gitmo jury gives bin Laden driver light sentence - Yahoo! News

 

[Ravi]

Pretty amazing. I'm still not even sure if he deserved to be convicted of a war crime, but he was, so six months seems an insanely short sentence.

 

[mattskramer]

Pretty amazing. I'm still not even sure if he deserved to be convicted of a war crime, but he was, so six months seems an insanely short sentence.

I’d list it under knowingly aiding and abetting a terrorist and give him at least 20 years – if not much more.

 

[Lookout]

Now that military officers selected by the Bush Pentagon have reached a split verdict convicting Salim Hamdan, a onetime driver for Osama bin Laden, of supporting terrorism, but innocent of terrorist conspiracy, do you feel safe?




Hamdan was not defended by the slick lawyers that got O.J. Simpson off, and he most certainly did not have a jury of his peers.

Or are we superpower Americans still at risk until we capture bin Laden’s dentist, barber, and the person who installed the carpet in his living room?

The Bush Regime with its comic huffings and puffings is unaware that it has made itself the laughing stock of the world, a comedy version of the Third Reich.

Hamdan was not defended by the slick lawyers that got O.J. Simpson off, and he most certainly did not have a jury of his peers. Hamdan was defended by a Pentagon appointed US Navy officer, and his jurors were all Pentagon appointed US military officers with an eye on their careers. Even in this Kangaroo Court, Hamdan was cleared of the main charge.

The US Navy officer who was Hamdan’s appointed attorney is certainly no terrorist sympathizer. Yet even this United States officer said that the rules Bush designed for the military tribunals were designed to achieve convictions. He also said that the judge allowed evidence that would not have been admitted by any civilian or military US court. He said that the interrogations of Hamdan, which comprised the basis of the Bush Regime’s case, were tainted by coercive tactics, including sleep deprivation and solitary confinement.

Does this make you a proud American?

Do you think you are made more safe when you stand there while “your” government implements its own version of Joseph Stalin’s show trials?

The trial and conviction of Hamdan has made every American very unsafe.

The one certain fact about US law is that it is expanded until it applies to everyone. Consider RICO, for example, the asset freeze law that was intended only in criminal cases involving the Mafia; it wasn’t long before RICO found its way into civil divorce proceedings.

Bush’s multi-year, multi-billion dollar “war on terror” has been reduced to railroading a low level employee, a driver, for “terrorism.”

One would hope that the Hamdan verdict would be enough shame and ridicule for the US in one day. But no, Bush didn’t stop there. On his way to the Beijing Olympics, President Bush expressed “deep concerns” for the state of human rights in China.




But not in Guantanamo, nor in Abu Ghraib, nor in the CIA’s torture dungeons used for “renditions,” nor in Iraq and Afghanistan where the US is expert at bombing weddings, funerals, children’s soccer games, and every assortment of civilians imaginable.

As the good book says, clean the beam from your own eye before pointing to the mote in your brother’s eye.

But Americans, the salt of the earth, have neither beams nor motes. We are the virtuous few, ordained by God to impose our hegemony on the world. It is written, or so say the neocons.

What would President Bush say if, heaven forbid, the Chinese were as rude as he is and asked Mr. Superpower why the land of “freedom and democracy” has one million names on a watch list. China with a population four times as large doesn’t have a watch list with one million names.

What would President Bush say if China asked him why the US, with a population one-fourth the size of China’s has hundreds of thousands more of its citizens in prison? The percentage of Americans in prison is far higher than in China and is a larger absolute number.

What would President Bush say if China asked him why he used lies and deception to justify his invasion of Iraq. China, unlike Bush, is not responsible for 1.2 million dead Iraqis and 4 million displaced Iraqis.

China’s human rights policy is not perfect. China’s greatest human rights failing is that China is the Bush Regime’s prime enabler of its war crimes and human rights abuses in Iraq and Afghanistan. By financing Bush’s budget deficit, China is financing Bush’s gratuitous wars. Indeed, China can be said to finance the weaponry that the US gives Israel to enable the suppression of the Palestinians and with which to bomb the civilian population of Lebanon.

China is a serious human rights abuser, because China is complicit in Bush’s human rights abuses.

If we are honest about who is actually murdering and abusing people, it is the US, Israel, and the UK. There’s your “axis of evil.”

 

[Red Dawn]

Wow. At first glance, this seems like a very small sentence.
Your thoughts?

Gitmo jury gives bin Laden driver light sentence - Yahoo! News

Its actually 6 months plus time served.

So the guy has served over five years already.

He drove a car around afghanistan, and there's no evidence he was involved in any terrorist acts. So, he's not exactly the world's biggest war criminal.

 

[maineman]

and I am not sure that driving a car is something that a war crimes tribunal should be considering in any case. I belive that, now that the case has been adjudicated, and the extraordinarily lenient sentence has been meted out, if the appeals process won't end up tossing this whole prosecution.

 

[Jeepers]

and I am not sure that driving a car is something that a war crimes tribunal should be considering in any case. I belive that, now that the case has been adjudicated, and the extraordinarily lenient sentence has been meted out, if the appeals process won't end up tossing this whole prosecution.

Good to see you round again maine... Was I dreaming last night or did admin officials say that he will only be released when bush says hes good and ready to release him. This is independent of whatever these mock trials say...

 

[editec]

Sounds to me like they decided the guy was just some poor schmo who had the bad luck to know how to drive a car.

If that's the case, why is he serving six months?

To appease our some American's desire to punish anyone remotely related to OBL, one supposes.

 

[DiamondDave]

Sounds to me like they decided the guy was just some poor schmo who had the bad luck to know how to drive a car.

If that's the case, why is he serving six months?

To appease our some American's desire to punish anyone remotely related to OBL, one supposes.

Punish anyone willingly helping or aiding OBL or any terrorist... yep bet your ass!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Pretty amazing. I'm still not even sure if he deserved to be convicted of a war crime, but he was, so six months seems an insanely short sentence.

Another example of Ravi and her non functioning brain cells. Read the article, he did NOT get sentenced to 6 months.

 

[Larkinn]

and I am not sure that driving a car is something that a war crimes tribunal should be considering in any case. I belive that, now that the case has been adjudicated, and the extraordinarily lenient sentence has been meted out, if the appeals process won't end up tossing this whole prosecution.

Appeals process? What appeals process?

And a few notes.

1) He did not get convicted to 6 months, he got convicted to 66 months, which if time served is included is 6 months.

2) He drove a CAR, for fucks sake. For MONEY. He got PAID. This conviction is retarded.

3) Bush had said that he may still keep him in jail indefinitely. So what the hell was the point of the trial?

 

[Ravi]

Another example of Ravi and her non functioning brain cells. Read the article, he did NOT get sentenced to 6 months.

Take a chill pill, moron.

 

[Glori.B]

Take a chill pill, moron.

here, i had some extras!

 

[Orange_Juice]

You neo-con fruitcakes probably want to drink his blood

 

[Jeepers]

Punish anyone willingly helping or aiding OBL or any terrorist... yep bet your ass!

Yeah.. thats cause you's an idiot... How much time did hilters driver get? Typically the peons get no time... should we go after housekeepers and cooks next... why are you consistently on the wrong side of issues.?

Hell.. you even pick Dave over Sammy.... I rest my case...

 

[DiamondDave]

Yeah.. thats cause you's an idiot... How much time did hilters driver get? Typically the peons get no time... should we go after housekeepers and cooks next... why are you consistently on the wrong side of issues.?

Hell.. you even pick Dave over Sammy.... I rest my case...

A peon who is truly ignorant to what is going on.... really has things hidden from them and does not know... THEN you would be correct... or you would be correct if they were FORCED into service as pretty much an unwilling slave because of the threat of harm to them or their family, etc... then you would also be correct

Knowingly helping out terrorism or evil... yep... you have the choice to walk away... you are aiding in the cause of evil... you bet your ass we punish that

 

[Epsilon Delta]

Wow, imagine being that guy.

"Shit, man, that could've gone awfully bad... Hell Yeah!"

 

[chopcrazy]

Good to see you round again maine... Was I dreaming last night or did admin officials say that he will only be released when bush says hes good and ready to release him. This is independent of whatever these mock trials say...

In six months, there will be a new administration. So I think it does not really matter. If obama wins, will he release every one at gitmo?

 

[Jeepers]

In six months, there will be a new administration. So I think it does not really matter. If obama wins, will he release every one at gitmo?

Nope.. he will shut down gitmo, but everyone will stand trial...