dilloduck
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Redz said:cheers, those exit polls certainly provide some excitement!!!
So your excited that if Kerry wins the war will go better?
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Redz said:cheers, those exit polls certainly provide some excitement!!!
nah the war is as bad whoever leads,. what i would be happy to see the back of is the neo cons, don't like their stuff or their view of human nature. but whoever wins will have to unite a divided nation, tough jobdilloduck said:So your excited that if Kerry wins the war will go better?
Interesting how all of the sudden you don't give a shit about the war if Kerry can win. What is the view of neo cons on human nature btw ?Redz said:nah the war is as bad whoever leads,. what i would be happy to see the back of is the neo cons, don't like their stuff or their view of human nature. but whoever wins will have to unite a divided nation, tough job
Redz said:but he will understand and value the troops in ways a civilian never could. good for rummy but hes way past retirement age anyhow, much older than he looks
do give a shit about the war, but it will continue probably throughout his 4 years. for me kerry is little better than bushdilloduck said:Interesting how all of the sudden you don't give a shit about the war if Kerry can win. What is the view of neo cons on human nature btw ?
Redz said:do give a shit about the war, but it will continue probably throughout his 4 years. for me kerry is little better than bush
neo cons lead by leo strauss believe that the social and moral relativism of the 1960's was destroying the fabric of american society, (a fair point) to counter this they advocated the use of propaganda to create the impression that america was involved in a battle against evil in the form of the soviet union. this was to allow the people to have a sense of moral purpose in their lives. this involved hyping the soviet threat to instill fear that evil threatened america.
this also mean't the people rallied around the leader. so similarities do exist with the war on terror in my opinion
fundamentally they felt that the general public was too stupid to know the truth and so manipulated instead.thats what i don't like, i think the general population is much smarter than they are allowed to be, for a much clearer explanation see the recent bbc documentary "the power of nightmares"
or simply google "leo strauss", and read about him.
richard pearle and most of the defence dept are advocates of his work,as is cheney. not bush tho
why you think the ussr collasped?freeandfun1 said:It must be nice to have lived in a country that didn't have to worry about the USSR due to America's vigilence!
Redz said:do give a shit about the war, but it will continue probably throughout his 4 years. for me kerry is little better than bush
neo cons lead by leo strauss believe that the social and moral relativism of the 1960's was destroying the fabric of american society, (a fair point) to counter this they advocated the use of propaganda to create the impression that america was involved in a battle against evil in the form of the soviet union. this was to allow the people to have a sense of moral purpose in their lives. this involved hyping the soviet threat to instill fear that evil threatened america.
this also mean't the people rallied around the leader. so similarities do exist with the war on terror in my opinion
fundamentally they felt that the general public was too stupid to know the truth and so manipulated instead.thats what i don't like, i think the general population is much smarter than they are allowed to be, for a much clearer explanation see the recent bbc documentary "the power of nightmares"
or simply google "leo strauss", and read about him.
richard pearle and most of the defence dept are advocates of his work,as is cheney. not bush tho
no i did'nt say that, but they are hyped and spun to feed into the idea that america is a force for good in the world, its just a force for america.if its enemys are evil, then the moral centre of america is restored with some subtle spin!musicman said:Redz:
So, Soviet tyranny and Islamic terrorism are "invented evils"?
Redz said:why you think the ussr collasped?
Redz said:no i did'nt say that, but they are hyped and spun to feed into the idea that america is a force for good in the world, its just a force for america.if its enemys are evil, then the moral centre of america is restored with some subtle spin!
look reading about this leo strauss guy will inform you better than i can. but i do believe his political theorys have played a role recently, and none of these guys(pearle, rummy etc..) are afraid to admit they are neo cons. i think they are manipulative and would be glad to see the back of them wheather bush wins or not!
Redz said:and none of these guys(pearle, rummy etc..) are afraid to admit they are neo cons.
i wish!! look it up for yourselves, i bet you think america defeated communism!!!dilloduck said:HYPING the soviet threat ???? You been eating them Irish mushrooms again??
lolZhukov said:Rumsfeld is a paleo-con.
yes thats part of it, but fundamentally it was their own economic woes that finished them off.freeandfun1 said:Because Reagan out-spent them on weapons programs which led to technologies that drove our economy in the 90s.
Redz said:i wish!! look it up for yourselves, i bet you think america defeated communism!!!
guess what bin laden and his gang think they finished the soviets off in afganisatan!!
soviet union really collasped because its economy was rotton and inefficent.
it collasped by itself!
yeah true, but look up leo strauss if bush wins, his theorys will have influence on policyrtwngAvngr said:And the arms raced we forced them into brought these flaws to bear in a quicker fashion. At the very least.
Redz said:yeah true, but look up leo strauss if bush wins, his theorys will have influence on policy