Leftists Are You Still Eliminating The Electoral College Or Did That Fade Away Like The Pussy Hats?

[peach174]

Put it in context what trump tweets.
1st one -the left pushes democracy when we are a republic.
proof- trump wins by knowing how to play the electoral game.

I wonder what changed Trump's mind about the Electoral College? lol

He didn't.

He still thinks the Electoral College is a disaster? I somehow doubt that.

He never said it was.
He was talking about the crooked way it was set up by the left.

Yes, he did and he was talking about the 2012 Presidential Election. It's a rather odd thing to tweet considering Obama won both the EC and the PV.

Even Hillary said Obama got Electoral Votes before the campaign.
That smacks of money and favors after the election.
Hillary is the one who pushed for getting rid of it.
The left want a democracy ,wants equality,while pushing to get rid of the electoral college and only have 2 States being represented, to hell with the other 48.

 

[Pogo]

No that's still being worked on: National Popular Vote

The National Popular Vote bill is 61% of the way to guaranteeing the majority of Electoral College votes and the presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in the country, by changing state winner-take-all laws (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but later enacted by 48 states), without changing anything in the Constitution, using the built-in method that the Constitution provides for states to make changes.



All voters would be valued equally in presidential elections, no matter where they live.

Candidates, as in other elections, would allocate their time, money, polling, organizing, and ad buys roughly in proportion to the population



Every vote, everywhere, for every candidate, would be politically relevant and equal in every presidential election.
No more distorting, crude, and divisive and red and blue state maps of predictable outcomes, that don’t represent any minority party voters within each state.

No more handful of 'battleground' states (where the two major political parties happen to have similar levels of support) where voters and policies are more important than those of the voters in 38+ predictable states that have just been 'spectators' and ignored after the conventions.



The bill would take effect when enacted by states with a majority of the electoral votes—270 of 538.

All of the presidential electors from the enacting states will be supporters of the presidential candidate receiving the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC)—thereby guaranteeing that candidate with an Electoral College majority.



In 2017, the bill has passed the New Mexico Senate and Oregon House.

The bill was approved in 2016 by a unanimous bipartisan House committee vote in both Georgia (16 electoral votes) and Missouri (10).

Since 2006, the bill has passed 35 state legislative chambers in 23 rural, small, medium, large, red, blue, and purple states with 261 electoral votes.

The bill has been enacted by 11 small, medium, and large jurisdictions with 165 electoral votes – 61% of the way to guaranteeing the presidency to the candidate with the most popular votes in the country



NationalPopularVote

Well put.

Dumping the WTA system would send the candidates to states they never visit because under the present system they take for granted that they're going to win (or lose) that state regardless what they do. Clinton would have had a reason to go to Utah. Rump would have had a reason to go to Massachusetts. And Alaska and Hawaìi might finally be visited by anybody.

It would mean that all those Rump voters in California and all those Clinton voters in Texas would have their votes actually count.

It would erase the bullshit term "battleground state" or "swing state" --- which would not exist without the inane WTA system --- and make *all* states relevant. And it would dramatically raise our national voter participation rate from the laughingstock 55% of 2016 more toward that of France (68%), Denmark (80%) or Belgium (87%). The reason our rate is embarrassingly low is because most of us live in locked-red or locked-blue states which means there's no reason to leave the house on election day --- whether you vote with your state, vote against your state, vote for a third party or don't vote at all, the EC result is the same in each case. Consequently 45% of the electorate is pushed to think, "fuck it, what's the point?".

It would also allow third parties to finally breathe and break the stranglehold of the Duopoly. And there's no downside to sending a message to an entrenched political party out for nothing more than self-perpetuation that "you ain't all that" and we shall feel free to look elsewhere. That's a model of free-market competition. The Duopoly LOOOOVES them some WTA Electoral College. It's what keeps them a Duopoly.

 

[BluesLegend]

The left hates that the entire country has a say in electing the president not just the wealthy states with the most people.

 

[g5000]

If we went to the popular vote, candidates would campaign only in East and West coast metropolitan areas, and would never shake a farmer's hand or meet anyone in the middle of the country.

 

[g5000]

Trump knows he was caught with his dick in his hand with that tweet he made about the Electoral College. That's why he invented five million Mexicans which tipped the popular vote to Hillary.

 

[Pogo]

If we went to the popular vote, candidates would campaign only in East and West coast metropolitan areas, and would never shake a farmer's hand or meet anyone in the middle of the country.

No basis for that. Do we know any other country where campaigns go down like that?

It's a wide field to choose from, since the only other country besides this one that holds elections and then names the winner by indirect means seems to be ---- Pakistan.

We have a pretty pervasive media at this point. If a candidate goes to Dubuque and connects well there, the voters across the state in Sioux city are going to know about it.

 

[g5000]

If we went to the popular vote, candidates would campaign only in East and West coast metropolitan areas, and would never shake a farmer's hand or meet anyone in the middle of the country.

No basis for that. Do we know any other country where campaigns go down like that?

There is absolutely basis for that. That's where our populations are concentrated.

Do you know any other country as geographically large as ours which has at least two parties and a popular vote?

 

[g5000]

If we went to the popular vote, candidates would campaign only in East and West coast metropolitan areas, and would never shake a farmer's hand or meet anyone in the middle of the country.

No basis for that.

 

[g5000]

All you need to win the popular vote is New England and California.

Fuck you "flyover country"!

 

[Pogo]

Trump knows he was caught with his dick in his hand with that tweet he made about the Electoral College. That's why he invented five million Mexicans which tipped the popular vote to Hillary.

And speaking of those hands....

 

[Pogo]

If we went to the popular vote, candidates would campaign only in East and West coast metropolitan areas, and would never shake a farmer's hand or meet anyone in the middle of the country.

No basis for that.

That's pop distrubution, not voter response.

Cool map though. I never knew there were such tall mountains around the Great Lakes.

 

[Pogo]

All you need to win the popular vote is New England and California.

Fuck you "flyover country"!

Again --- Rump got millions of votes from California and New England. None of them counted in the EC.

 

[Pogo]

If we went to the popular vote, candidates would campaign only in East and West coast metropolitan areas, and would never shake a farmer's hand or meet anyone in the middle of the country.

No basis for that. Do we know any other country where campaigns go down like that?

There is absolutely basis for that. That's where our populations are concentrated.

Do you know any other country as geographically large as ours which has at least two parties and a popular vote?

Canada? OK that's bigger.

Did Trudeau campaign only in Montréal, Tronno and Vancouver and ignore Manitoba and PEI?

There's no reason to think that just because you go to Noo Yawk, they're all going to vote for you, and if you go to Dubuque they're all going to vote for you too and Noo Yawk > Dubuque. You have to sell it.

By that logic, all Rump would have had to do to win a PV would be to hang in LA and NYC and the megalopolis while ignoring Dubuque and Chattanooga. Think that would have worked?

In the event I don't believe Rump actually went to any of those places at all unless it was for a private fundraiser or to go home (NYC). And yet he got millions of votes from them. None of them counted in the EC tally. Not one.

 

[g5000]

All you need to win the popular vote is New England and California.

Fuck you "flyover country"!

Again --- Rump got millions of votes from California and New England. None of them counted in the EC.

You are proving me correct. Trump's campaign was based on the electoral college system. That results in an entirely different strategy. He won those flyover states that would otherwise be ignored in a popular vote system.

 

[g5000]

Pogo, Trump has even said that if we didn't have the electoral college system, he would have spent way more time in California.

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

Leftists Are You Still Eliminating The Electoral College

Is Trump promising to eliminate it?

Like The Hag's Resistance is?

 

[Pogo]

Pogo, Trump has even said that if we didn't have the electoral college system, he would have spent way more time in California.

Exactly the point. Because he would have had a reason to.

And if he had, and it got him more votes, he would have ----- gotten more votes. As it is he got on the verge of 4.5 million votes, not one of which counted for anything, because 48 of our states waltz into Congress and go "it's amazing literally EVERYBODY in our state voted for X". It was unanimous, never seen anything like it at least not since the last election".

And that's just dishonest bullshit.

 

[Pogo]

Leftists Are You Still Eliminating The Electoral College

Is Trump promising to eliminate it?

Like The Hag's Resistance is?

No --- he wants us to do it while he watches. Kinky as always.

(kinda makes ya feel like a Russian prostitute at the Ritz Carlton Moscow donut?)

"Revolution" he called it. See post 26.

 

[peach174]

Put it in context what trump tweets.
1st one -the left pushes democracy when we are a republic.
proof- trump wins by knowing how to play the electoral game.

I wonder what changed Trump's mind about the Electoral College? lol

He didn't.

He still thinks the Electoral College is a disaster? I somehow doubt that.

Is he pushing for getting rid of it like Hillary? No

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.

The Majority May Not Agree With What Elitists Say Is Best for the Majority

Giving extra representation to the less populated states was what the majority of those in the other states wanted, so that decision was democratic. People felt crammed where they were and wanted a fresh start on the frontier. Also, they knew their own states were under oligarchic rule and feared giving their rulers even more power.