Leading GOP Candidate a Cult Member!

[JoeB131]

An anteater could have been elected for the Democrats in 08.

Romney was an outstanding investor. If you don't understand that, you've lost already.

So he was an outstanding parasite in that he only occassionally killed the host organism?

Do you really think people with their busted 401K's and their underwater mortgages are going to look at Romney sitting on his 9 figure wealth and be anything but contemptuous and angry?

What do you think is a scarier message to more Americans?

a.) I'm a Mormon, or
b.) Social Security is an unconstitutional Ponzi Scheme?

Oh my Gosh, you mean, that calling it a "Ponzi Scheme" is horrible and calling it a "Criminal Enterprise" like Romney did isn't?

Get real. Most Americans know Social Security is in trouble and serious changes have to be made.

And

What do you think is going to be the more important message in 12?

a.) Job creation, or
b.) He's a Mormon?

Again, put up that AmPad worker, you've busted that myth wide open.

Obama has already set the terms of the debate. Us against them. The ballot box is the only place the working man can stick it to the rich.

Perry would be the stronger candidate because he's a working guy who has presided over job creation.

 

[JoeB131]

So please list the things you think the prophet of your "church" is wrong on.

Most Catholics I know think the Pope is full of crap on a lot of issues.

That is between the pope and his followers.

Within my world a prophet isn't right or wrong.

You simply chose to follow his coucil or you don't.

Thanks for playing.

 

[Avatar4321]

People should keep the hocus pocus portions of their faith to themselves, if only to keep from making fools of themselves.

Unfortunately, progressives are very popular.

 

[Toro]

An anteater could have been elected for the Democrats in 08.

Romney was an outstanding investor. If you don't understand that, you've lost already.

So he was an outstanding parasite in that he only occassionally killed the host organism?

Do you really think people with their busted 401K's and their underwater mortgages are going to look at Romney sitting on his 9 figure wealth and be anything but contemptuous and angry?

No. Because most Americans admire success. Most don't wallow in bitter envy, as you are promoting.

What do you think is a scarier message to more Americans?

a.) I'm a Mormon, or
b.) Social Security is an unconstitutional Ponzi Scheme?

Oh my Gosh, you mean, that calling it a "Ponzi Scheme" is horrible and calling it a "Criminal Enterprise" like Romney did isn't?

Get real. Most Americans know Social Security is in trouble and serious changes have to be made.

Most Americans support SS, even if it needs to be reformed. Entrusting it to a shoot from the hip guy who alludes to stringing up the head of the central bank, references succession and says it is an unconstitutional Ponzi scheme is a different matter altogether.

And

What do you think is going to be the more important message in 12?

a.) Job creation, or
b.) He's a Mormon?

Again, put up that AmPad worker, you've busted that myth wide open.

Obama has already set the terms of the debate. Us against them. The ballot box is the only place the working man can stick it to the rich.

Perry would be the stronger candidate because he's a working guy who has presided over job creation.

Well, Us Against Them seems to be your strategy for defeating a rich Mormon.

 

[JoeB131]

No. Because most Americans admire success. Most don't wallow in bitter envy, as you are promoting.

Most Americans are not greedy scumwads who would drive people out of their home in order to make themselves richer.

There's nothing admirable about picking the last meat off the bones of the middle class.

Most Americans support SS, even if it needs to be reformed. Entrusting it to a shoot from the hip guy who alludes to stringing up the head of the central bank, references succession and says it is an unconstitutional Ponzi scheme is a different matter altogether.

Well, since Gov. Perry never said any of those things the way you've characterize them.

Well, Us Against Them seems to be your strategy for defeating a rich Mormon.

If the GOP nominates someone like Romney, they'd have set the tone.

At the end of the day, most of those evangelicals WHO WILL NOT VOTE FOR A MORMON are not rich, are in danger of losing their homes and jobs. This nomination could split the traditional coaltion.

 

[Listening]

So I guess you can say he was a successful gambler, but when you are gambling with people's livlihoods, that isn't much to talk about.

You mean like running for president and making decisions (like heatlh care) that affect the lives of everyone in the country ?

What part of that does not match up to your expectations of a president.

You really are blinded.

 

[jillian]

We have the data on the Bain Capital companies. The IRRs and the expansions of businesses is amazing. If you wish to get into a pissing match about all the people the Bain companies hired and fired under Romney, feel free. But I can promise you, you will not advance your argument.

Guy, do you like intentionally miss the point?

Elections are not about spreadsheets and graphs and double entry accounting.

They are about how people feel.

You put one crying AmPad worker on the screen about how he lost his house and his job because of Mitt Romney, all the "IRR" (whatever the hell those are) in the world won't matter.

People will just see a rich douchebag who messed up the life of someone just like them so he could add another room onto to his fourth mansion, which is apparently too small.

And since we've all run into that guy at some point in our professional careers, it isn't like that person is going to win any popularity contests.

"I look like the guy you work with. Romney looks like the guy who lays you off" - Mike Huckabee - 2008.

"Hey, Mike, can I borrow that?" - Barack Obama, 2012.

I doubt the Dems are skilled enough to exploit this.

The country wants jobs. Romney created many, many times more than he axed. Every CEO has fired people. Not many candidates can say that they've created as many as Romney.

romney also raided companies, broke them up and sold them piece by piece without giving a rat's patoot about what happened to those companies.

can the dems exploit that?

well, if they can't work with gordon gecko, they've got bigger problems than i can help them with.

 

[Listening]

If the GOP nominates someone like Romney, they'd have set the tone.

At the end of the day, most of those evangelicals WHO WILL NOT VOTE FOR A MORMON are not rich, are in danger of losing their homes and jobs. This nomination could split the traditional coaltion.

He won't be nominated without the support of evaneglicals.

Honestly, your wishful thinking in the form of claims is almost commical.

 

[JoeB131]

If the GOP nominates someone like Romney, they'd have set the tone.

At the end of the day, most of those evangelicals WHO WILL NOT VOTE FOR A MORMON are not rich, are in danger of losing their homes and jobs. This nomination could split the traditional coaltion.

He won't be nominated without the support of evaneglicals.

Honestly, your wishful thinking in the form of claims is almost commical.

The Beltway establishment has a lovely habit of running roughshod over the Evangelicals. Which is usually a good thing, because those guys are craaaazy. Of course, they end up nominating losers like Dole and McCain.

I hope the Evangelicals get their act together and block Romney, because he'll be another one.

 

[JoeB131]

So I guess you can say he was a successful gambler, but when you are gambling with people's livlihoods, that isn't much to talk about.

You mean like running for president and making decisions (like heatlh care) that affect the lives of everyone in the country ?

What part of that does not match up to your expectations of a president.

You really are blinded.

Major difference... .

A president is elected by the people whose lives are affected. Well, at least in theory. In reality, it's whoever the wealthy will let us have. And if he screws up, we have the option of voting him out.

I think the folks at AmPad and Damon Medical would have LOVED to have voted out Romney and his pack of Bain Vultures.

 

[Listening]

Major difference... .

A president is elected by the people whose lives are affected. Well, at least in theory. In reality, it's whoever the wealthy will let us have. And if he screws up, we have the option of voting him out.

I think the folks at AmPad and Damon Medical would have LOVED to have voted out Romney and his pack of Bain Vultures.

They could have done that had they pulled together the capital to take over the company or possibly start a competitor. So what was the question ?

It seems strange to me that you suggest that if someone does not like the "owner", then the "owner" must go.

Hows that economics class working for you ?

I watched Chris Matthews the other night howling about Obama's chances in 2012. And he assumes Romney will win the nomination. Matthews is all about giving democrats hope by saying the party will split. It is wishful thinking.

Whoever we nominate, it will be better than President Obama. We are going to support him 100% of the way.

 

[JoeB131]

Major difference... .

A president is elected by the people whose lives are affected. Well, at least in theory. In reality, it's whoever the wealthy will let us have. And if he screws up, we have the option of voting him out.

I think the folks at AmPad and Damon Medical would have LOVED to have voted out Romney and his pack of Bain Vultures.

They could have done that had they pulled together the capital to take over the company or possibly start a competitor. So what was the question ?

It seems strange to me that you suggest that if someone does not like the "owner", then the "owner" must go.

Hows that economics class working for you ?

yeah, that's how it should work. It's called DEMOCRACY.

When I was growing up, in a union household, I'd see strikers in front of businesses that weren't playing ball, and my mom told me, nobody will do business there until they get right with their workers. So they either went out of business or they did right.

And America was a better place when that occured. We enjoyed our greatest prosperity when the Union movement was its strongest.

Read about unions in Japan or Europe. The workers CAN vote out the managers.

The Japanese and Europeans are well ahead of our dumb-bible thumpin' behinds.

I watched Chris Matthews the other night howling about Obama's chances in 2012. And he assumes Romney will win the nomination. Matthews is all about giving democrats hope by saying the party will split. It is wishful thinking.

Whoever we nominate, it will be better than President Obama. We are going to support him 100% of the way.

No, Romney would be worse than Obama.

And doesn't it tell you something that the folks in the leftist media are Romney's cheering section?

They know he's going to be a disaster for the GOP if he gets the nomination, because Evangelicals, Hispanics, Women, Working folks won't vote for him when they find out what a lowlife he is.

 

[Listening]

yeah, that's how it should work. It's called DEMOCRACY.

When I was growing up, in a union household, I'd see strikers in front of businesses that weren't playing ball, and my mom told me, nobody will do business there until they get right with their workers. So they either went out of business or they did right.

And America was a better place when that occured. We enjoyed our greatest prosperity when the Union movement was its strongest.

Read about unions in Japan or Europe. The workers CAN vote out the managers.

The Japanese and Europeans are well ahead of our dumb-bible thumpin' behinds.

No, America was a better place because the rest of the world was so far behind. People today have more than they have ever had. What is your beef ?

The Union was the strongest when the rest of the world couldn't compete. Now that they can....look whose been shown to be uncompetative.

They just shut down three refineries on the east coast (well, only two, but one of them was actually two) with about 750,000 BPD of refining capability. A lot of people are going to lose their jobs. The unions are pissed (who can blame them), but the people they support are also the ones that are in bed with the corporatists that allow this to happen.

Not to mention they really don't seem to care. India and Saudi Arabia are building all kinds of export capability and it hits the east coast very very hard. A smaller refinery in Virgina ceased operations about a year ago. They simply could not compete. It isn't just wages (in fact that is a small part of it). It is all the other stuff, combined with the uncertainty that drives BOD's away from approving large capital expenditures because they don't know what is around the corner.

Ever hear of MTBE ?

 

[JoeB131]

Hey, listening, we aren't going to make the world better by continuing to support Petroleum based energy. We need to move beyond that.

More to the point, we aren't going to have a happy future if we let Romney and his pack of Middle-class destroying vultures continue to undermine the American middle class.

When you have a situation when you only have a small amount of rich people and lots of poor people, you usually have pretty ugly results for all involved.

France 1787, Russia 1917, Iran 1979, if you weren't paying attention.

 

[Listening]

Hey, listening, we aren't going to make the world better by continuing to support Petroleum based energy. We need to move beyond that.

More to the point, we aren't going to have a happy future if we let Romney and his pack of Middle-class destroying vultures continue to undermine the American middle class.

When you have a situation when you only have a small amount of rich people and lots of poor people, you usually have pretty ugly results for all involved.

France 1787, Russia 1917, Iran 1979, if you weren't paying attention.

The American people will decide that.

And right now, there are quite a group of your Union Brothers who are going to see thier jobs go away here in the next month or two.

You move beyond that.

Many of us have a happy present and a happy future in spite of President Obama. And when Romney hits the White House it's going to be just as good.

Why don't you move to Iran ?

 

[JoeB131]

The American people will decide that.

And right now, there are quite a group of your Union Brothers who are going to see thier jobs go away here in the next month or two.

You move beyond that.

Many of us have a happy present and a happy future in spite of President Obama. And when Romney hits the White House it's going to be just as good.

Why don't you move to Iran ?

right, we have union people losing good jobs because people like Romeny don't understand the concept of "enough".

Romney will never get to the White House.

 

[Listening]

right, we have union people losing good jobs because people like Romeny don't understand the concept of "enough".

Romney will never get to the White House.

FACTBOX-U.S. East Coast's changing refinery dynamics | Energy & Oil | Reuters

These refineries are closing because these companies never invested in them. They can't run sour crudes which are less expensive.

And Sun and CP would not invest in them because of things like MTBE and the random government regulations that create so much insecurity.

Oh, and let's not forget all the environmental regulations that add so much to the gallon of gas you buy. Which the indians don't have to pay.

And, by the way....we are going to be burning petroleum based fuels for decades. They are bringing in new fields using technology that will keep us in the black for a long long long time.

 

[JoeB131]

Yawn... What's your point here again?

Most countries run their energy concerns as a national resource. We're the only one who thinks, "Hey, let's let rich douchebags run over our average citizens".

 

[Listening]

Yawn... What's your point here again?

Most countries run their energy concerns as a national resource. We're the only one who thinks, "Hey, let's let rich douchebags run over our average citizens".

Yes, it is easy to see you hide behind unions and your pining for the glory days of the past. But when someone decided they liked not living in grass houses those glory days headed for another universe.

But when the democrats actually help cause the demise you so blindly want to throw at the right.....well....that just can't be.

That was the point.

People will be putting gas in their cars for a long time.

And, of course, just because everyone else does it....we should too. I am sure you'd love to have Barney Frank in charge of Standard Oil of Fannie Mae.

 

[JoeB131]

Yawn... What's your point here again?

Most countries run their energy concerns as a national resource. We're the only one who thinks, "Hey, let's let rich douchebags run over our average citizens".

Yes, it is easy to see you hide behind unions and your pining for the glory days of the past. But when someone decided they liked not living in grass houses those glory days headed for another universe.

But when the democrats actually help cause the demise you so blindly want to throw at the right.....well....that just can't be.

That was the point.

People will be putting gas in their cars for a long time.

And, of course, just because everyone else does it....we should too. I am sure you'd love to have Barney Frank in charge of Standard Oil of Fannie Mae.

As opposed to what, having Christopher Cox in charge of the SEC and his regulators were watching internet porn instead of the bankers?

Both parties were responsible for this mess, both parties were in bed with Wall Street. To try to put the blame on any one person is foolish.

The underlying problems, however, are that with the Free Trade treaties and greedy guys onWall Street hollowing out the middle class, we are becoming weaker as a nation.