Latest oceanic heat content shows warming of our oceans!

[flacaltenn]

I didn't say it had no variability. I said it has had no variability at the rates we've created over the last century with our GHG emissions.

You have no basis to make that statement. HIGH RESOLUTION LOCAL proxy studies show 2 to 5degC variation in the historical record ---- most all the time.. But they STILL dont have the time resolution to compare to our past 60 year experience..

Go ahead and claim that -- but there's no thermometer records to confirm it..

You're not getting the basic limitations of these GLOBAL proxy studies that Marcott confirmed. That they only good for looking at centennial and millenial trends.. And you are confused by seeing only the GLOBAL results and not the INDIVIDUAL higher resolution proxies..

 

[Crick]

A measure of rate may be made over centuries. Find us anywhere in the record that matches ours. Changes of the same order of magnitude in temperature and CO2 take thousands of years everywhere else in the record. The resolution of proxies might keep us from knowing what's happening over years or decades, but it would not mask a match to current conditions. The current warming won't stop for at least another two centuries.

 

[IanC]

The rate of warming over the past one hundred years or so is not the product of proxies. The forcing required to create higher warming or cooling rates has not existed since the KT boundary event. The idea you and yours have repeated here, that extraordinary climatic events take place at random with no discernible cause, is horse shit.

That's a bold view of climate NON-variability. Just like they WANT to believe by showing those historical studies with no variation in them.. BUT ----------------------

You're gonna lose on this idea that idyllic climate had no natural variability in it for thousands of years at a time.

Do some work and compare the relatively barren (because the data has no great time resolution) famous Vostok chart to the HI RES ice studies done in Greenland. Narrower slice of time -- more samples. Less filtering.

It shows MULTIPLE wild swings of temperature (> 6 or 8degF) coming out of the last Ice Age that are nowhere in the Vostok record... So hold the horse shit and learn a bit about data preparation.

I agree. Crick and his brethren refuse to look at the individual proxies making up these reconstructions. if they did then they would find out that basically none of the proxies agree with the final result.

 

[IanC]

Steve M wrote an R code to pull the oceans2K proxies and willis plotted them up.

anybody else having a hard time seeing the 20x faster increase?

 

[Billy_Bob]

A week or so ago the alarmists were all giddy about 3 cat 4 storms in the pacific. but when we look at accumulated storm energy for the globe they dont mean squat.. There may have been some storms but the energy they possessed was miniscual globally. they fail to look at the big picture and focus on localized events to further the agenda..

Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) | Weather Underground

 

[Crick]

Then you won't be citing weak Atlantic hurricane seasons as evidence against warming. Good.

 

[Crick]

A week or so ago the alarmists were all giddy about 3 cat 4 storms in the pacific. but when we look at accumulated storm energy for the globe they dont mean squat.. There may have been some storms but the energy they possessed was miniscual globally. they fail to look at the big picture and focus on localized events to further the agenda..

Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) | Weather Underground

That's an interesting graph. Every ocean basin shows an increasing trend till ~2000.

 

[flacaltenn]

Steve M wrote an R code to pull the oceans2K proxies and willis plotted them up.

anybody else having a hard time seeing the 20x faster increase?

It's definitely in there.. Somewhere to the far right of the decimal point. Trust me..

 

[flacaltenn]

A week or so ago the alarmists were all giddy about 3 cat 4 storms in the pacific. but when we look at accumulated storm energy for the globe they dont mean squat.. There may have been some storms but the energy they possessed was miniscual globally. they fail to look at the big picture and focus on localized events to further the agenda..

Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) | Weather Underground

That's an interesting graph. Every ocean basin shows an increasing trend till ~2000.

Well -- that "excess heat" you're fond of must have magically sunk to depths quite fast to cause the "pause". Oh wait -- that didn't happen. What do you think a cooling surface and slight warming layer at 1000m means Crick?

Where did all the "excess heat" go? Your only hope for that nonsense is that ocean transport layers are doing their job and cooling off the oceans as we speak. Taking that warm tropical waters up to cool off and back down again..
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With probably natural cycles in there that we don't even realize yet. Like those "stadium waves" of delayed heat transport towards the poles.. There's your REAL climate science..

 

[Billy_Bob]

Then you won't be citing weak Atlantic hurricane seasons as evidence against warming. Good.

Global cooling YES..!! It shows that there is a lack of warming being done by the sun and that the cooling atmosphere and oceans are why we have had the low storm energy. If it had really been warming the storm energy would have increased with it.

 

[Billy_Bob]

A week or so ago the alarmists were all giddy about 3 cat 4 storms in the pacific. but when we look at accumulated storm energy for the globe they dont mean squat.. There may have been some storms but the energy they possessed was miniscual globally. they fail to look at the big picture and focus on localized events to further the agenda..

Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) | Weather Underground

That's an interesting graph. Every ocean basin shows an increasing trend till ~2000.

Well -- that "excess heat" you're fond of must have magically sunk to depths quite fast to cause the "pause". Oh wait -- that didn't happen. What do you think a cooling surface and slight warming layer at 1000m means Crick?

Where did all the "excess heat" go? Your only hope for that nonsense is that ocean transport layers are doing their job and cooling off the oceans as we speak. Taking that warm tropical waters up to cool off and back down again..
'
With probably natural cycles in there that we don't even realize yet. Like those "stadium waves" of delayed heat transport towards the poles.. There's your REAL climate science..

Heat imbalance causes barometric pressures to have greater range. this is what drives storms. Its the end of the summer and we have NO HURRICANES globally when we should have at least 2 during the height of the season. The fact that we do not, speaks volumes about the lack of any heat imbalance. Now when the cooling sets in and the storms grow massively nearer the poles, gives us a clear indication that the power is in heat release at the poles and cooling.

Why is it that most cannot get their heads around the earths paradoxical presentations in balancing the heat on earth?

 

[flacaltenn]

A measure of rate may be made over centuries. Find us anywhere in the record that matches ours. Changes of the same order of magnitude in temperature and CO2 take thousands of years everywhere else in the record. The resolution of proxies might keep us from knowing what's happening over years or decades, but it would not mask a match to current conditions. The current warming won't stop for at least another two centuries.

That is not true.. Read some of the other threads. I've posted 2 or 4 LOCAL proxy studies that show MASSIVE temp. swings in less than 100 years --- all WAAAAY before the SuV was invented..

 

[Crick]

"Some of the other threads" narrows it down to a few thousand. How about a link?

 

[Crick]

A week or so ago the alarmists were all giddy about 3 cat 4 storms in the pacific. but when we look at accumulated storm energy for the globe they dont mean squat.. There may have been some storms but the energy they possessed was miniscual globally. they fail to look at the big picture and focus on localized events to further the agenda..

Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) | Weather Underground

That's an interesting graph. Every ocean basin shows an increasing trend till ~2000.

Well -- that "excess heat" you're fond of must have magically sunk to depths quite fast to cause the "pause". Oh wait -- that didn't happen. What do you think a cooling surface and slight warming layer at 1000m means Crick?

Where did all the "excess heat" go? Your only hope for that nonsense is that ocean transport layers are doing their job and cooling off the oceans as we speak. Taking that warm tropical waters up to cool off and back down again..
'
With probably natural cycles in there that we don't even realize yet. Like those "stadium waves" of delayed heat transport towards the poles.. There's your REAL climate science..

Heat imbalance causes barometric pressures to have greater range. this is what drives storms. Its the end of the summer and we have NO HURRICANES globally when we should have at least 2 during the height of the season. The fact that we do not, speaks volumes about the lack of any heat imbalance. Now when the cooling sets in and the storms grow massively nearer the poles, gives us a clear indication that the power is in heat release at the poles and cooling.

Why is it that most cannot get their heads around the earths paradoxical presentations in balancing the heat on earth?

IF you'd actually read BTK, you'd know that the ocean depths did warm but that it was not sufficient to explain the hiatus. With Karl, both are explained.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

A measure of rate may be made over centuries. Find us anywhere in the record that matches ours. Changes of the same order of magnitude in temperature and CO2 take thousands of years everywhere else in the record. The resolution of proxies might keep us from knowing what's happening over years or decades, but it would not mask a match to current conditions. The current warming won't stop for at least another two centuries.

Where's the record of ocean temperatures accurate to a tenth of a degree stretching back hundreds of years, Popeye?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

A week or so ago the alarmists were all giddy about 3 cat 4 storms in the pacific. but when we look at accumulated storm energy for the globe they dont mean squat.. There may have been some storms but the energy they possessed was miniscual globally. they fail to look at the big picture and focus on localized events to further the agenda..

Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) | Weather Underground

That's an interesting graph. Every ocean basin shows an increasing trend till ~2000.

Well -- that "excess heat" you're fond of must have magically sunk to depths quite fast to cause the "pause". Oh wait -- that didn't happen. What do you think a cooling surface and slight warming layer at 1000m means Crick?

Where did all the "excess heat" go? Your only hope for that nonsense is that ocean transport layers are doing their job and cooling off the oceans as we speak. Taking that warm tropical waters up to cool off and back down again..
'
With probably natural cycles in there that we don't even realize yet. Like those "stadium waves" of delayed heat transport towards the poles.. There's your REAL climate science..

Heat imbalance causes barometric pressures to have greater range. this is what drives storms. Its the end of the summer and we have NO HURRICANES globally when we should have at least 2 during the height of the season. The fact that we do not, speaks volumes about the lack of any heat imbalance. Now when the cooling sets in and the storms grow massively nearer the poles, gives us a clear indication that the power is in heat release at the poles and cooling.

Why is it that most cannot get their heads around the earths paradoxical presentations in balancing the heat on earth?

IF you'd actually read BTK, you'd know that the ocean depths did warm but that it was not sufficient to explain the hiatus. With Karl, both are explained.

How did atmospheric heat not warm the atmosphere but warm the ocean depths?

 

[Crick]

Subduction caused by altered trade winds. The warm surface water was replaced with cooler water from the depths. You've been told that at least a half a dozen times. Try to hang on to these things, eh

 

[flacaltenn]

Subduction caused by altered trade winds. The warm surface water was replaced with cooler water from the depths. You've been told that at least a half a dozen times. Try to hang on to these things, eh

And the ocean just invented subduction just in time for the pause eh???
Or maybe -- it just got windier??

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Subduction caused by altered trade winds. The warm surface water was replaced with cooler water from the depths. You've been told that at least a half a dozen times. Try to hang on to these things, eh

You keep changing the story, you started by saying "Excess heat" was a fiction. Now CO2 is altering trade winds and bringing up cold water from the depths like summoning the Kraken

 

[Billy_Bob]

Subduction caused by altered trade winds. The warm surface water was replaced with cooler water from the depths. You've been told that at least a half a dozen times. Try to hang on to these things, eh

You keep changing the story, you started by saying "Excess heat" was a fiction. Now CO2 is altering trade winds and bringing up cold water from the depths like summoning the Kraken

The alarmist stories continue to evolve.. Pretty soon they cant remember the lies they have told and right now those lies are being brought up and they are being questioned about why their "predictions" never come to pass..