Kurdish fighters kicking ISIS Ass , We should arm them directly

[Claudette]

We probably are arming the Kurds and have been right along.

Wouldn't surprise me and I hope the Kurds kick ISIS's ass all over the ME.

 

[Jroc]

NATO in Turkey played a key role in containing the USSR, and could have a reprise if Russia gets 'funny' again. It is strategically placed in many ways. Cultivating good relations is in the interests of Europe and the US. Antagonizing them serves little purpose. Of course there are problems, but they are not insurmountable.

Sure it serves a purpose. If Erdogan gets no criticism for his stances on the Armenian Genocide, the treatment of the Kurds, his imprisoning of political dissidents, the silencing of freedom of speech and expression, and his defacto support of ISIS, then it will hurt Turkish democracy.

In the recent election Turks stood up to Erdogan's thugs, while the US stood silent to human rights abuses in Turkey.

For the first time Turkey actually has some hope.

And if Erdogan's party is pushed out of power further, it could lead to an end to imprisoning people for their political views, and true freedom of speech and expression within Turkey.

Under Erdogan you go to jail for criticizing the government, supporting Kurds, or calling the events of 1915 genocide. It is no wonder that Turks are getting sick of it, with the stink of corruption, and the fact they have to live in fear of Erdogan's thugs if they say the 'wrong thing'.

It makes you wonder that if current and former US Presidents had actually stood up to the Turkish government, and demanded that it respect the human rights of its citizens, then this well overdue political change might have occurred sooner.

It's an embarrassment we have Turkey as a member of NATO. An independent Kurdistan would be a great place for a U.S. base

 

[BullKurtz]

The ignorance and stupidity common to you and most others on the right concerning the byzantine complexities of ME politics, history, and culture is remarkable and disturbing; the same ignorance and stupidity that resulted in two failed, illegal wars that destabilized the entire Region and created the current conditions that allow terrorists such as the self-proclaimed 'Islamic state' to flourish.

Neither war was "failed" or "Illegal" and only leftist trash like you believes we created ISIS. We chased AQ out of Afghanistan and then slaughtered them in Iraq; a war that was won until your muslim pinhead of a president got his hands on Iraq. ISIS could be decimated in a month if we had the will to do it but leftist trash like you won't allow the US to win a war anymore.

 

[JoeB131]

It's an embarrassment we have Turkey as a member of NATO. An independent Kurdistan would be a great place for a U.S. base

You know what would be a better place for a base.

Nowhere near that part of the world.

that would be an awesome place for a base.

 

[BullKurtz]

It's an embarrassment we have Turkey as a member of NATO. An independent Kurdistan would be a great place for a U.S. base

Not only has Turkey been embarrassing but Erdoğan is directly responsible for our difficulties in Iraq. The plan was to send 4th ID from the staging area in Turkey down through the sunni triangle. At the last minute that son of a bitch reneged on the deal and western Iraq and it's weapons depots were left to the budding insurgency. All the IEDs that blew apart GIs would have been seized by 4th ID had they been able to get to them first. Erdoğan just got his ass whipped in an election and hopefully can take his fundamentalist ass to Iran where he belongs.

 

[JoeB131]

Not only has Turkey been embarrassing but Erdoğan is directly responsible for our difficulties in Iraq. The plan was to send 4th ID from the staging area in Turkey down through the sunni triangle. At the last minute that son of a bitch reneged on the deal and western Iraq and it's weapons depots were left to the budding insurgency. All the IEDs that blew apart GIs would have been seized by 4th ID had they been able to get to them first. Erdoğan just got his ass whipped in an election and hopefully can take his fundamentalist ass to Iran where he belongs.

Yes, and maybe if Bush had actually let the inspectors do their jobs, rather than rushing to war, Turkey- not to mention France, Germany, Canada and most of other major allies would have been ready to go along with us.

 

[BullKurtz]

Yes, and maybe if Bush had actually let the inspectors do their jobs, rather than rushing to war, Turkey- not to mention France, Germany, Canada and most of other major allies would have been ready to go along with us.

The french were tipping off Saddam's RG where the inspectors were going the next day...they moved the munitions during the night and the inspectors found nothing. The ABC munitions, most of which were russian, were trucked into Syria and up into Lebanon.

 

[pwjohn]

It's an embarrassment we have Turkey as a member of NATO. An independent Kurdistan would be a great place for a U.S. base

You know what would be a better place for a base.

Nowhere near that part of the world.

that would be an awesome place for a base.

I'm sure you know what they say. You can wish in one hand and shit in the other, and see which one fills up first.

Like it or not we've had a presence in that part of the world since FDR was president and that ain't gonna change anytime soon. Not in our lifetimes anyway.

 

[pwjohn]

The ignorance and stupidity common to you and most others on the right concerning the byzantine complexities of ME politics, history, and culture is remarkable and disturbing; the same ignorance and stupidity that resulted in two failed, illegal wars that destabilized the entire Region and created the current conditions that allow terrorists such as the self-proclaimed 'Islamic state' to flourish.

Neither war was "failed" or "Illegal" and only leftist trash like you believes we created ISIS. We chased AQ out of Afghanistan and then slaughtered them in Iraq; a war that was won until your muslim pinhead of a president got his hands on Iraq. ISIS could be decimated in a month if we had the will to do it but leftist trash like you won't allow the US to win a war anymore.

That's not necessarily true. And I'm not defending Obama.
By the time the bush administration negotiated the end of the Iraq war, Iran was calling the shots and thats why we got the bums rush. There was nothing the Obama administration could do to change that by the time 2011 rolled around.

 

[JoeB131]

The french were tipping off Saddam's RG where the inspectors were going the next day...they moved the munitions during the night and the inspectors found nothing. The ABC munitions, most of which were russian, were trucked into Syria and up into Lebanon.

Were Elvis and Bigfoot driving the Truck?

We didn't find any WMD's because Saddam didn't have any, not because he was giving them to Bashir Assad, who he considered an enemy.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm sure you know what they say. You can wish in one hand and shit in the other, and see which one fills up first.

Like it or not we've had a presence in that part of the world since FDR was president and that ain't gonna change anytime soon. Not in our lifetimes anyway.

All we got to do is say, "Not our Problem". Bring the troops back home, stop sending money to countries over there, including the Zionists Entity. (In fact, ESPECIALLY the Zionist Entity). Take some of that 900 Billion we spend playing Hall Monitor and invest it into infrastructure and energy independence here.

 

[BullKurtz]

Were Elvis and Bigfoot driving the Truck?

We didn't find any WMD's because Saddam didn't have any, not because he was giving them to Bashir Assad, who he considered an enemy.

Russian spetsnaz drove the trucks.....sorry this information makes you a lying sack of shit but that's the breaks....

FLASHBACK Where did Saddam s WMD go To Syria ... - World Tribune World Tribune

 

[BullKurtz]

That's not necessarily true. And I'm not defending Obama.
By the time the bush administration negotiated the end of the Iraq war, Iran was calling the shots and thats why we got the bums rush. There was nothing the Obama administration could do to change that by the time 2011 rolled around.

Iran's role in the Maliki government at that moment is a matter of opinion. He hid from Saddam in Iran but was an Iraqi through and through. He simply wouldn't include the sunnis in his government or give them their promised oil revenue. An American president with any diplomatic experience would have sat Maliki down and given him the what-for....He had an American security team guarding him. If they were to disappear in the middle of a rainy evening.......

 

[BullKurtz]

All we got to do is say, "Not our Problem". Bring the troops back home, stop sending money to countries over there, including the Zionists Entity. (In fact, ESPECIALLY the Zionist Entity). Take some of that 900 Billion we spend playing Hall Monitor and invest it into infrastructure and energy independence here.

Another Jew-hating, sunshine and breezes old loser....when's the last time a bridge fell down? Didn't Hussein's "shovel-ready jobs" fix all that?

 

[pwjohn]

I'm sure you know what they say. You can wish in one hand and shit in the other, and see which one fills up first.

Like it or not we've had a presence in that part of the world since FDR was president and that ain't gonna change anytime soon. Not in our lifetimes anyway.

All we got to do is say, "Not our Problem". Bring the troops back home, stop sending money to countries over there, including the Zionists Entity. (In fact, ESPECIALLY the Zionist Entity). Take some of that 900 Billion we spend playing Hall Monitor and invest it into infrastructure and energy independence here.

Well I can assure you that the defence industry will disagree with what you propose. Good luck going up against them. lol

 

[pwjohn]

That's not necessarily true. And I'm not defending Obama.
By the time the bush administration negotiated the end of the Iraq war, Iran was calling the shots and thats why we got the bums rush. There was nothing the Obama administration could do to change that by the time 2011 rolled around.

Iran's role in the Maliki government at that moment is a matter of opinion. He hid from Saddam in Iran but was an Iraqi through and through. He simply wouldn't include the sunnis in his government or give them their promised oil revenue. An American president with any diplomatic experience would have sat Maliki down and given him the what-for....He had an American security team guarding him. If they were to disappear in the middle of a rainy evening.......

All those problems you mention are precisely the reason why we can't win any of these wars. Because in the end they're our wars, not theirs.

And shame on bush for relying to much on fair weather friends like turkey, for example, to give a shit about our problems especially when the lives of our troops are on the line. Because they don't give a shit. They never have and they never will. Crap like that just goes to show the level of stupidity bush foreign policy was based on.

It's no fucking wonder the Iraq war fell apart right from the got go.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

We should be arming the Kurds directly, And what the hell are the Turks doing?

A Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) fighter stands with residents from villages near the town of Tal Abyad, in the northern Raqqa countryside, after taking control of the nearby Suluk town from ISIS fighters

One young girl was pulled through the barbed wire fence as the Syrian refugees desperately tried to flee the ISIS-held town of Tal Abyad

Syrian refugees today broke through a barbed wire fence in a desperate bid to flee from the ISIS-held border town of Tal Abyad and cross into Turkey.


Turkish troops had watched on helplessly yesterday as heavily-armed ISIS terrorists blocked the border crossing at Tal Abyad, where some 13,000 civilians have crossed over the past ten days.

The men, women and children were stopped at gunpoint almost within touching distance of the border town of Akcakale.

However, today - backed by allied rebels and air strikes by a U.S.-led coalition - Kurdish forces pressed forward with their offensive on Tal Abyad and advanced to within three miles of the border town.

Syrian refugees waiting at the border cheered in delight as they heard that Kurdish militia were making headway towards the ISIS stronghold before attempting to battle through the barbed wire which separates Syria from Turkey.

Turkish troops and Isis terrorists stared at each other just a few yards apart across the barbed wire border as the civilians retreated

The terrorists laughed with each other as they forced to the civilians back to the warzone even though heavy fighting is imminent


ISIS border town in Syria closed in on by Kurdish after US led air strikes Daily Mail Online

We shouldn't be arming anyone in the middle East

 

[JoeB131]

Russian spetsnaz drove the trucks.....sorry this information makes you a lying sack of shit but that's the breaks....

"World Tribune" isn't a source. Should have stuck with Bigfoot.

Another Jew-hating, sunshine and breezes old loser....when's the last time a bridge fell down? Didn't Hussein's "shovel-ready jobs" fix all that?

Guy, I don't know if you are ignorant by design or if you make an effort.

For the record, there was a bridge collapse in Cincinatti back in January.

And, no, we didn't spend more than 100 Billion on "Shovel Ready" jobs. Most of the stimulus was tax cuts and payments to states.

 

[BullKurtz]

"World Tribune" isn't a source. Should have stuck with Bigfoot.

Attack the site that prints the story, not the story.....Lenin would give you a medal if he could find your chest to pin it on.

Guy, I don't know if you are ignorant by design or if you make an effort.

For the record, there was a bridge collapse in Cincinatti back in January.

And, no, we didn't spend more than 100 Billion on "Shovel Ready" jobs. Most of the stimulus was tax cuts and payments to states.

Wait a second, I thought our infrastructure was in "dire disrepair"? You found ONE bridge in Cincy that collapsed DURING DEMOLITION! And of course you admit the "stimulus money" didn't create any "shovel ready" jobs....how do you feel worshiping a lying sack of shit like Obozo?

 

[JoeB131]

Wait a second, I thought our infrastructure was in "dire disrepair"? You found ONE bridge in Cincy that collapsed DURING DEMOLITION! And of course you admit the "stimulus money" didn't create any "shovel ready" jobs....how do you feel worshiping a lying sack of shit like Obozo?

Are you some kind of slow retard? The Stimulus was a lot less than Obama Asked for, and the GOP Loaded it down with shitloads of tax giveaways to the rich.

Stop spending money on the Middle East and the Rich and start spending it on roads bridges, schools and infrastructure.

Problem solved.