Korean War started by SOUTH KOREA

[Contumacious]

What does this have to do with Politics?

I was under the impression that Trump is an elected politician.........


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Your whole thread is about the conspiracy theory that South Korea started the Korean war not North Korea... was Trump President in 1950?

The whole thread is about the HISTORICAL FACT that South Korea started the Korean war not North Korea...


Since Trump was not in office in 1950

Since the US should not be helping Japan

Since Trump has succumbed to the CIA and the warmongers

the thread is necessary


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Yeah... maybe in the History forum. Or the World forum. Or the conspiracy Forum. NOT the Politics forum.

LAST NIGHT:

Trump reaffirms support for Japan after North Korea missile test

So much for his AMERICA FIRST BULLSHIT



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[Contumacious]

It's about the politics of paranoia started by Truman at great cost to the rest of the world.

EXACTLY



Republicans were outraged: Sen. Robert A. Taft and others denounced this usurpation ofCongress’s constitutional duty as a dangerous precedent that would come back to haunt us – as it surely did in Vietnam, and continues to do so to this day. In the months prior to the war, anti-interventionist Republicans in Congress had succeeded in defeating the administration’s $60 million aid package to the Rhee regime (by one vote!), but this was later reversed on account of pressure from the well-funded China Lobby. Now Truman had sent our troops to fight in a foreign war as if he were a Roman emperor ordering his legionnaires into Gaul."


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[Lewdog]

What does this have to do with Politics?

I was under the impression that Trump is an elected politician.........


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Your whole thread is about the conspiracy theory that South Korea started the Korean war not North Korea... was Trump President in 1950?

The whole thread is about the HISTORICAL FACT that South Korea started the Korean war not North Korea...


Since Trump was not in office in 1950

Since the US should not be helping Japan

Since Trump has succumbed to the CIA and the warmongers

the thread is necessary


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Yeah... maybe in the History forum. Or the World forum. Or the conspiracy Forum. NOT the Politics forum.

LAST NIGHT:

Trump reaffirms support for Japan after North Korea missile test

So much for his AMERICA FIRST BULLSHIT



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THERE ARE ALREADY LIKE THREE THREADS ABOUT THAT TEST. Your thread is about a conspiracy theory that South Korea started the Korean War. I've had so many threads moved or shut down by some of the staff here, I report all the threads in the wrong areas. But only some moderators here care to do anything about it... it just depends on who the OP is and who reports the threads... It took an entire day to get a "baiting" thread moved out of Politics.

 

[Lewdog]

It's about the politics of paranoia started by Truman at great cost to the rest of the world.

EXACTLY



Republicans were outraged: Sen. Robert A. Taft and others denounced this usurpation ofCongress’s constitutional duty as a dangerous precedent that would come back to haunt us – as it surely did in Vietnam, and continues to do so to this day. In the months prior to the war, anti-interventionist Republicans in Congress had succeeded in defeating the administration’s $60 million aid package to the Rhee regime (by one vote!), but this was later reversed on account of pressure from the well-funded China Lobby. Now Truman had sent our troops to fight in a foreign war as if he were a Roman emperor ordering his legionnaires into Gaul."


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Is Truman President? Is Truman even alive? Nope. HE'S HISTORY.

 

[Contumacious]

It's about the politics of paranoia started by Truman at great cost to the rest of the world.

EXACTLY



Republicans were outraged: Sen. Robert A. Taft and others denounced this usurpation ofCongress’s constitutional duty as a dangerous precedent that would come back to haunt us – as it surely did in Vietnam, and continues to do so to this day. In the months prior to the war, anti-interventionist Republicans in Congress had succeeded in defeating the administration’s $60 million aid package to the Rhee regime (by one vote!), but this was later reversed on account of pressure from the well-funded China Lobby. Now Truman had sent our troops to fight in a foreign war as if he were a Roman emperor ordering his legionnaires into Gaul."


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Is Truman President? Is Truman even alive? Nope. HE'S HISTORY.

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it." George Santayana,

United States, South Korea agree to explore all options on North Korea


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[fncceo]

Who gives a fetid dingo's kidney?

 

[Picaro]

What does this have to do with Politics?

I was under the impression that Trump is an elected politician.........


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Trump started the Korean War? Who knew??? That's real power, starting a war from your cradle and stuff.

 

[Picaro]

What does this have to do with Politics?

I was under the impression that Trump is an elected politician.........


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Your whole thread is about the conspiracy theory that South Korea started the Korean war not North Korea... was Trump President in 1950?

The whole thread is about the HISTORICAL FACT that South Korea started the Korean war not North Korea...


Since Trump was not in office in 1950

Since the US should not be helping Japan

Since Trump has succumbed to the CIA and the warmongers

the thread is necessary


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Yeah... maybe in the History forum. Or the World forum. Or the conspiracy Forum. NOT the Politics forum.

No, there are far more than enough crank threads in the History Forum. These threads belong in the Hillary Forum or some forum for Democrats.

It would be fantastic if our military just started shooting down that loony midget's rockets; maybe we can induce a complete meltdown in that sick little freak and cause a brain hemmorage.

 

[Spare_change]

So over a year before the unprovoked attack on the South you claim the South attacked the North? Must have been a stealthy war indeed.

secret testimony before Congress of CIA director Admiral Hillenkoeter proved US responsibility for the war.

Buffett, Republican anti-interventionist from Iowa, went to his grave demanding the declassification of that crucial testimony: alas, to no avail. And yet what we do know is this: the US government had ample warnings of the pending North Korean invasion, via intelligence reports sent to top cabinet officials well before the June 25 commencement of large-scale hostilities.


As to who did in reality fire that shot, Bruce Cumings, head of the history department at the University of Chicago, gave us the definitive answer in his two-volume The Origins of the Korean War, and The Korean War: A History: the Korean war started during the American occupation of the South, and it was Rhee, with help from his American sponsors, who initiated a series of attacks that well preceded the North Korean offensive of 1950. From 1945-1948, American forces aided Rhee in a killing spree that claimed tens of thousands of victims: the counterinsurgency campaign took a high toll in Kwangju, and on the island of Cheju-do – where as many as 60,000 people were murdered by Rhee’s US-backed forces.".


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... and armed unicorns galloped across the 38th Parallel inciting the peaceful peoples of North Korea, who tried to chase them back by throwing daisies at them.

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I understand that you can not rebut or refute. Are yu employed by war profiteers, do you have difficulty getting a hard on?

'fess up.


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Damn -- -I'm disappointed.

I knew that lefties like you, when confronted with logic, always resort to name calling and personal attacks.

I just didn't realize you were stumped so easily ---- I was looking forward to making you look like an idiot, but you stole my thunder and did it first.

 

[Spare_change]

What does this have to do with Politics?

I was under the impression that Trump is an elected politician.........


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Trump started the Korean War? Who knew??? That's real power, starting a war from your cradle and stuff.

Hell, yeah ... he's THAT good.

 

[gtopa1]

Who Really Started the Korean War?

Forget the Trumanite mythology

The standard neocon-cold war liberal line is that the North Koreans, in league with Moscow and Beijing, launched a war of aggression on June 25, 1950, when North Korean troops poured across the disputed border. What this truncated history leaves out is that, in doing so, they preempted Rhee’s own plans to launch an invasion northward. As historian Mark E. Caprio, professor of history at Rikkyo University in Tokyo, points out:

“On February 8, 1949, the South Korean president met with Ambassador John Muccio and Secretary of the Army Kenneth C. Royall in Seoul. Here the Korean president listed the following as justifications for initiating a war with the North: the South Korean military could easily be increased by 100,000 if it drew from the 150,000 to 200,000 Koreans who had recently fought with the Japanese or the Nationalist Chinese. Moreover, the morale of the South Korean military was greater than that of the North Koreans. If war broke out he expected mass defections from the enemy. Finally, the United Nations’ recognition of South Korea legitimized its rule over the entire peninsula (as stipulated in its constitution). Thus, he concluded, there was “nothing [to be] gained by waiting.”


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Yes indeed. An interesting fantasy.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Having backed the Maoists during World War II, in cooperation with the Soviet Union, the US had already "lost" China, and Truman was determined not to "lose" Korea, too. In spite of the fact that he had ample warning of the North Korean offensive, the President used this "surprise attack" to justify sending American troops to Korea to keep Rhee in power, and in doing so neglected to go to Congress for approval – or even give them advance notice.

Republicans were outraged: Sen. Robert A. Taft and others denounced this usurpation of Congress’s constitutional duty as a dangerous precedent that would come back to haunt us – as it surely did in Vietnam, and continues to do so to this day. In the months prior to the war, anti-interventionist Republicans in Congress had succeeded in defeating the administration’s $60 million aid package to the Rhee regime (by one vote!), but this was later reversed on account of pressure from the well-funded China Lobby. Now Truman had sent our troops to fight in a foreign war as if he were a Roman emperor ordering his legionnaires into Gaul."


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Your basic facts are wrong.

HyperWar: The U.S. Army Campaigns of World War II: China Defensive

Greg

 

[Contumacious]

Who Really Started the Korean War?

Forget the Trumanite mythology

The standard neocon-cold war liberal line is that the North Koreans, in league with Moscow and Beijing, launched a war of aggression on June 25, 1950, when North Korean troops poured across the disputed border. What this truncated history leaves out is that, in doing so, they preempted Rhee’s own plans to launch an invasion northward. As historian Mark E. Caprio, professor of history at Rikkyo University in Tokyo, points out:

“On February 8, 1949, the South Korean president met with Ambassador John Muccio and Secretary of the Army Kenneth C. Royall in Seoul. Here the Korean president listed the following as justifications for initiating a war with the North: the South Korean military could easily be increased by 100,000 if it drew from the 150,000 to 200,000 Koreans who had recently fought with the Japanese or the Nationalist Chinese. Moreover, the morale of the South Korean military was greater than that of the North Koreans. If war broke out he expected mass defections from the enemy. Finally, the United Nations’ recognition of South Korea legitimized its rule over the entire peninsula (as stipulated in its constitution). Thus, he concluded, there was “nothing [to be] gained by waiting.”


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Yes indeed. An interesting fantasy.

Greg

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[gtopa1]

Who gives a fetid dingo's kidney?

As dull as a dead dingos donger!!

Greg

 

[Andylusion]

So over a year before the unprovoked attack on the South you claim the South attacked the North? Must have been a stealthy war indeed.

You have to remember, to a socialist left-winger, your existence is an attack.

Remember, the ideology itself, is fed by perceived threats. If someone else is more wealthy than you, then it must be that they have swindled you out of your rightful wealth. See? Left-wing thinking is dependent on class warfare, just as North Korea is built on the justification that South Korea is attacking them, by... existing and being wealthy, and having a higher standard of living.

The whole reason people are leaving North Korea every year, is because they see how much better things are in South Korea. So the mere existence of South Korea is a devastating assault on North Korea. Just like East Berlin was being destroyed by the existence of West Berlin. That's why they had to build a wall, and shoot people trying to leave, and cut off West Berlin as much as possible.

Left-wing ideology is always destroyed by the existence of right-wing ideology. Why do you think Cuba's health care missions to Venezuela, had to have armed guards keep the doctors from defecting? That would be embarrassing wouldn't it... of course they still managed to defect. Apparently guards like money too.... shockingly.

 

[Picaro]

Stalin started the war, sucked Mao into it, and then got cold feet and bailed on Mao. lol

 

[Contumacious]

The sixtieth anniversary of the “end” of the Korean war saw President Obama attempt to rescue that classic example of interventionist failure from history’s dustbin. Addressing veterans of that conflict, he declared:

“That war was no tie. Korea was a victory. When 50 million South Koreans live in freedom, a vibrant democracy…a stark contrast to the repression and poverty of the North, that is a victory and that is your legacy.”

This is a fairytale: it wasn’t a victory, or even a tie: the US public was disenchanted with the war long before the armistice, and Truman was under considerable pressure at home to conclude an increasingly unpopular conflict. As for this guff about “democracy”: whatever the US was fighting for, from 1950, when the war broke out, to 1953, when it ground to a halt, democracy hardly described the American cause.

We were fighting on behalf of Syngman Rhee, the US-educated-and-sponsored dictator of South Korea, whose vibrancy was demonstrated by the large-scale slaughter of his leftist political opponents. For 22 years, Rhee’s word was law, and many thousands of his political opponents were murdered: tens of thousands were jailed or driven into exile. Whatever measure of liberality has reigned on the Korean peninsula was in spite of Washington’s efforts and ongoing military presence. When the country finally rebelled against Rhee, and threw him out in the so-called April Revolution of 1960, he was ferried to safety in a CIA helicopter as crowds converged on the presidential palace."


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[Maryland Patriot]

Who Really Started the Korean War?

Forget the Trumanite mythology

The standard neocon-cold war liberal line is that the North Koreans, in league with Moscow and Beijing, launched a war of aggression on June 25, 1950, when North Korean troops poured across the disputed border. What this truncated history leaves out is that, in doing so, they preempted Rhee’s own plans to launch an invasion northward. As historian Mark E. Caprio, professor of history at Rikkyo University in Tokyo, points out:

“On February 8, 1949, the South Korean president met with Ambassador John Muccio and Secretary of the Army Kenneth C. Royall in Seoul. Here the Korean president listed the following as justifications for initiating a war with the North: the South Korean military could easily be increased by 100,000 if it drew from the 150,000 to 200,000 Koreans who had recently fought with the Japanese or the Nationalist Chinese. Moreover, the morale of the South Korean military was greater than that of the North Koreans. If war broke out he expected mass defections from the enemy. Finally, the United Nations’ recognition of South Korea legitimized its rule over the entire peninsula (as stipulated in its constitution). Thus, he concluded, there was “nothing [to be] gained by waiting.”


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You forgot to add the part about how Donald Trump, at that time the age of 3, negotiated the talks between Muccio and Royall that started the path to the war.

 

[whitehall]

Yeah but we know for a fact that NK invaded SK. If the U.S. was planning to assist S.K. in invading the north nobody told Truman but maybe that wasn't unusual.