keys to the kingdom

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    I think the best way to begin is by discovering the hidden meaning of the words and subjects in scripture not necessarily directly connected to the literal meanings of the words used.

    I will assume that we already agree that the Bible is a collection of stories written and edited by many different unknown authors separated by thousands of years of time reflecting the many different contemporary conditions and concerns all of which is supposed to have happened on earth in this same reality.

    I will also assume that you are already studied in traditional literary techniques and forms of expression and have a background in the sciences and a sober knowledge of what is possible and impossible.


    All of this will serve as a good foundation on which to build upon, reality being the constant constraint on any possible interpretation..

    How to perceive God necessarily must come later.

    After seeing what is right and wrong and where judgment lies according to the deeper implications of scripture, an indeterminate period of time must occur for cleansing the mind from all formerly held beliefs opinions and judgments that were found to be in error. Then more time must be spent learning to master the previously unknown abilities of a purified mind. If you do this everywhere you look, you will see God.

    To avoid babbling or talking about something you are not interested in or already know, tell me if you have any specific questions?

    Are there any particular subjects in scripture or miracles of Jesus that you would like to have resolved with reality?
     
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    Liars have no knowledge of God to share with another liar. Keep reading the scriptures because that's all you and all other liars will know.

    John 5
    37: And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness to me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen;
    38: and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe him whom he has sent.
    39: You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
    40: yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

    John 7
    13: Yet for fear of the Jews no one spoke openly of him.
    14: About the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and taught.
    15: The Jews marveled at it, saying, "How is it that this man has learning, when he has never studied?"
    16: So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me;

    1 John 2
    27: but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you; as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him.
     
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    Maybe you should notice that someone has overpowered you, bound you hand and foot and already made off with all of your possessions?
     
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    What's seen through a sinner's eyes is understood by the eyes of Christ.
     
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    But see, you can't assume we already agree. The Bible was written by the Holy Spirit. About 40 men penned what God breathed. The proof of that is in what they penned.

    Ask 40 people here to pen something. (make sure you include word as one of the 40) When they are done, try to put what they wrote into coherent chapters that compliment each other's work. Then ask them to predict the future and make their prophecy a cohesive part of what the others wrote.
    Let them know that if any of their prediction prove to be false, the person who predicted the falsehood dies. ( be sure to include word's prediction of his own death, cause....) ;)

    Have the 40 add science that hasn't been discovered yet.
    Then let see the mess they come up with.

    As for science, there is Nachmanides, who used Genesis to teach us about dimensions. Seculars like Hawking still haven't caught up to him yet, but relying on their own understanding, modern science has finally figured out that there are more than the 4 dimensions already given to them in
    What is next for our learned humans to discover, is that dimensions can be stretched, rolled up, burnt up, bent, shaken and torn. Just like the Holy Spirit described to the Bible authors.
    Modern science hasn't evolved that far along yet. We just recently found out 6 other dimensions exist. And maybe an infinite amount of them exist. And why not. Our Father is a creator.

    So my question is:
    Without collaborating with each other, how did Isaiah, David, Paul, Peter know different attributes of dimensions without the help of The Holy Spirit on whom they all leaned? How did one know they could be shaken and another know they can be rolled up? It took 20 centuries for the nonleaners to realize they exist at all, let alone how they function!
    Could 40 of us here at USMB accomplish what the 40 who wrote the Bible did with the same accuracy?

    If only 1 person wrote the Bible, it would be much easier to refute, but 40, including eyewitnesses, historians, prophets, physicians, accountants, priests, shepherds, astronomers, kings, and fishermen coming together to produce sound doctrine is much harder to dispute.

    As for editing what these men wrote, it just has not happened. What has been edited that we can point to the Dead Sea Scrolls and say, "See, this book has been changed from the original". Not one.

    If you want a good foundation, let's start from the ground up.
    Did the Big Bang occur when God uttered, "Let there be light"? We know that nothing + nothing does not = something, so what was the catalyst that created the light?
    God is the personification of light, and he takes things to the nth degree. There are scientists, after observing laser beams, that believe that light can make decisions.
    Can it?
     
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    It's very easy to dispute what the Roman reliigous leaders wrote in their new testament compared to the quotes that came from the saint's writings that they confiscated as they killed the saints.

    The religious Roman leaders used their religious ideas to produce the new testament and added a few thoughts from the saint's writings to make them more "Christ" sounding as their lying Christians read them.

    This was all planned by our Creator to keep His people deceived until this age is over. The reason for the deception was to draw out His saints with "Christ" (thoughts without deception) and use us for His purpose to reveal who we are, who He is and where we're headed in the future.
     
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    What I wrote was not for you, and what you wrote demonstrates that the topic is beyond your grasp.

    shut up, go to the back of the class and hear, if you have ears to hear.

    If you can't do that find a herd of squealing pigs to join if you want to gibber incoherently about things of which you now nothing and you would feel right at home.

    Otherwise I have no choice but to use you as an example for the benefit of those for whom this topic is not beyond their grasp.
     
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    Nothing in your comments indicate that you know "Christ".

    When a sinner judges another sinner, they are disobeying God's commandment, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor".

    That's because sinners don't know that our Creator created everything. They trust in their own lying flesh instead.

    Look in a mirror and see the true enemy of God.
     
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    yeah, and the crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.
     
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    Thank you for starting this thread. :)

    The basics are pretty well established. The origins of the "holy texts" and their subsequent editing to suit the agendas of the powers du jour have been well documented and don't need to be rehashed.

    The essential problem with them is that (a) they purport to describe an omnipotent being who has some serious issues, and (b) provide directions on how to establish contact with said being via a dubious conduit, and (c) offer an incentive that any snake oil salesman would be proud to have thought of first.

    What you inferred earlier (and above) is that there is something else there besides just the basics. What I am curious to know is what is it that you are seeing? What else is in there that isn't obvious to someone like myself.

    In the interests of maintaining sanity and keeping this thread as succinct as possible let's just try and ignore the noise-makers. They are adding nothing of value and will eventually go away if they get no reaction from either of us.
     

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