Katyn: The Massacre Stalin Tried To Blame On The Nazis

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

As if Germany, and Russia were a Democracy during the 1920's - 1930's?

Besides, what does a Democracy have to do with much of anything?

Well, the whole reason why the west plunged into a fight over territory that had nothing to do with us was because we were saving "Democracy", not just sorting out which group of thugs got to oppress those people.

And in the end, we replaced German Thugs with Russian Thugs. Good work, everyone.

So, Nazi Germany was trying to save Polish Democracy, now?

Poland had a better Democracy in the 1930's, than had Germany as Nazis, WTF are you smoking Germ- Joe?

 

[JoeB131]

Are you aware of the dirty tricks your Germ-Mans did to gain Gdansk in the first place?

You mean, Danzig?

Germ-Mans however act all arrogant, like ignorant twits, like they beat Poland, and they're so great.

Well, true. Today, they could just BUY it.

Germany's GDP 3.467 TRILLION

Poland's GDP 469 Billion.

 

[JoeB131]

So, Nazi Germany was trying to save Polish Democracy, now?

Poland had a better Democracy in the 1930's, than had Germany as Nazis, WTF are you smoking Germ- Joe?

Um, guy, Poland was ruled by a regime of colonels.

Say what you want about the Nazis, and I've said plenty, but they won elections.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Western Poland after 1919 was majority Polish, not German, for example Poznan was majority Polish from the 900's until 1900's.
Poznan is the important Polish city where Polish founder, and king Mieszko I was baptized to Catholicism, and had united the Polish Lechite tribes under the Polish banner.

Poland fought for Poland in the Greater Poland Uprising of 1918, The Treaty of Versailles merely finalized what Poles had fought for.

Actually, Germany was nice enough to create a Polish state out of the territory in Russia they took, and then the Poles stole a bunch of land from them at Versailles. Then they stole land from Russia in the Polish Russian war of 1920.

And then they wondered why Germany and Russia crushed them like a bug!

Joeb's is leading this topic off the tracks, I fail to see what the Gdansk Corridor has to do with Katyn Massacre by Soviets.

Okay.

Germany makes a REASONABLE request to return it's territory.
The Polish Colonels (Poland wasn't a Democracy at that point) decided they were going to play tough and made an alliance with France and the UK after they sold out Czechoslovakia.

Germany makes an alliance with the USSR to divy up Poland and they would both get lost territories back.

The Polish Colonels and other officer run into the Soviet Zone, and the Soviets decide they don't want these idiots stirring up more trouble.

Oh, well. Maybe if they had been reasonable to start with.. it wouldnt' have gotten this far.

In Poland's defense, they had FDR, France, and the Limeys telling them to tell Hitler to fuck off. These three also told Poland we will protect you. LOL. The Poles should have known they were being lied to.

Both Soviets, and Nazis were butchering ethnic Poles before WW2 had begun, in the Polish Operation of the NKVD 1937 - 1938 115,000 or so Poles were executed by Soviets, as for Nazi Germans they waited a bit longer, having waited until may of 1939 to start butchering ethnic Poles in Operation Tannenberg which ultimately led to 30,000 or so executed Poles.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

So, Nazi Germany was trying to save Polish Democracy, now?

Poland had a better Democracy in the 1930's, than had Germany as Nazis, WTF are you smoking Germ- Joe?

Um, guy, Poland was ruled by a regime of colonels.

Say what you want about the Nazis, and I've said plenty, but they won elections.

There were Polish elections in the 1930's.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Are you aware of the dirty tricks your Germ-Mans did to gain Gdansk in the first place?

You mean, Danzig?

Germ-Mans however act all arrogant, like ignorant twits, like they beat Poland, and they're so great.

Well, true. Today, they could just BUY it.

Germany's GDP 3.467 TRILLION

Poland's GDP 469 Billion.

It's going the other way.

Poles are revitalizing parts of decaying East Germany.

A Polish Lifeline for an Ailing German Town

Anyways, I actually must go to work, I'll be back later to pound your Germ-Nazi non-sense.

 

[JoeB131]

Both Soviets, and Nazis were butchering ethnic Poles before WW2 had begun, in the Polish Operation of the NKVD 1937 - 1938 115,000 or so Poles were executed by Soviets, as for Nazi Germans they waited a bit longer, having waited until may of 1939 to start butchering ethnic Poles in Operation Tannenberg which ultimately led to 30,000 or so executed Poles.

And why was any of that our problem?

Again, the problem here was that the Polish Colonels insisted on a war they couldn't win.

Now, probably the war would have come eventually anyway, because, you know, Hitler.

But man, fighting over a sliver of land you ended up losing anyway... that was dumb.

 

[JoeB131]

It's going the other way.

Poles are revitalizing parts of decaying East Germany.

A Polish Lifeline for an Ailing German Town

Anyways, I actually must go to work, I'll be back later to pound your Germ-Nazi non-sense.

Poles are to Europe what Mexicans are to North America.

 

[Litwin]

whats interesting here that many Muscovites are still believe (or just spread thelies ) that that Poles were killed by Nazis. the Mongols juchi use the same Koba´s tool when they spread lies about Kurapaty massacre . do they really believe to what they say ?

Katyn: The Massacre Stalin Tried To Blame On The Nazis

Kurapaty - Wikipedia

The Gdansk Corridor was majority Polish, why does not handing over Polish dominated lands mean an act of war?

Um.. because a War with Germany was worse for Poland than handing over the corridor would have been....

You see, the real stupidity of WWII was that French and British wrote the Polish Colonels a blank check, when they had no ability to really enforce it. This threw Hitler into an alliance with Stalin and bye-bye Poland.

Not only do some Russians think the Nazis did it, but some Americans do too. After all, the lying fool FDR KNEW the Nazis did it at the time it happened, but refused to insult his Uncle Joe. So, he told the American people Hitler did it. Just another lie among thousands.

FDR also instigated the Poles to refuse Hitler's demands, claiming he would support them. Of course, he had no intention of supporting the Poles. He was instigating a war with Germany, because he was played the fool by his Uncle Joe and the Limeys.

FDR hid Katyn Massacre from the public with knowledge of Katyn Massacre, he also mocked Polish Jan Karski for trying to warn FDR of the Holocaust, saying to Karski "Are Poland's Horses okay" also note
that FDR supported the Soviet take-over of Poland in Tehran & Yalta Conference, this move not only makes FDR a God-Father of the Cold War, but is also a move which killed, and oppressed millions of people, it's estimated that 1 million Poles following WW2 had died from Communist famine, and that 500,000 were imprisoned as Politiical prisoners under the UB of Jew Jakub Berman, with 6,000 direct executions of Poles by Jakub Berman.
Also note that Jewish Commie Salomon Morel had killed Poles, and enslaved Poles in the Zgoda Labour Camp, the Jaworzno Camp, and had butchered Polish Armia Krajowa patriots at Lublin Castle.

Agreed. Some of us know FDR was a terrible fool and a lying scumbag.

whats about other presidents ? who of them has mentioned Kurapaty or Katyn´?

 

[Litwin]

It's going the other way.

Poles are revitalizing parts of decaying East Germany.

A Polish Lifeline for an Ailing German Town

Anyways, I actually must go to work, I'll be back later to pound your Germ-Nazi non-sense.

Poles are to Europe what Mexicans are to North America.

Poles side by side with commie Moscovites did kill our state in fist part of 20s. and i have mixed feeling toward them but they are European for sure

 

[OsteInmar]

Poles are to Europe what Mexicans are to North America.

You will be surprised, but the Poles believe that they are the main ones in Europe!
Pogany and primitive people.

Katyn?
In 1943, the Nazis shot 9 thousand Polish officers.
Why prove something to these insects from Poland or the former Eastern Bloc?
Throw these servants with whips.
They love it.
Note that 2 of these insects with which you argue are emigrants .. they "love their Motherland so much that they prefer to live in another country."

 

[gipper]

whats interesting here that many Muscovites are still believe (or just spread thelies ) that that Poles were killed by Nazis. the Mongols juchi use the same Koba´s tool when they spread lies about Kurapaty massacre . do they really believe to what they say ?

Katyn: The Massacre Stalin Tried To Blame On The Nazis

Kurapaty - Wikipedia

The Gdansk Corridor was majority Polish, why does not handing over Polish dominated lands mean an act of war?

Um.. because a War with Germany was worse for Poland than handing over the corridor would have been....

You see, the real stupidity of WWII was that French and British wrote the Polish Colonels a blank check, when they had no ability to really enforce it. This threw Hitler into an alliance with Stalin and bye-bye Poland.

Not only do some Russians think the Nazis did it, but some Americans do too. After all, the lying fool FDR KNEW the Nazis did it at the time it happened, but refused to insult his Uncle Joe. So, he told the American people Hitler did it. Just another lie among thousands.

FDR also instigated the Poles to refuse Hitler's demands, claiming he would support them. Of course, he had no intention of supporting the Poles. He was instigating a war with Germany, because he was played the fool by his Uncle Joe and the Limeys.

FDR hid Katyn Massacre from the public with knowledge of Katyn Massacre, he also mocked Polish Jan Karski for trying to warn FDR of the Holocaust, saying to Karski "Are Poland's Horses okay" also note
that FDR supported the Soviet take-over of Poland in Tehran & Yalta Conference, this move not only makes FDR a God-Father of the Cold War, but is also a move which killed, and oppressed millions of people, it's estimated that 1 million Poles following WW2 had died from Communist famine, and that 500,000 were imprisoned as Politiical prisoners under the UB of Jew Jakub Berman, with 6,000 direct executions of Poles by Jakub Berman.
Also note that Jewish Commie Salomon Morel had killed Poles, and enslaved Poles in the Zgoda Labour Camp, the Jaworzno Camp, and had butchered Polish Armia Krajowa patriots at Lublin Castle.

Agreed. Some of us know FDR was a terrible fool and a lying scumbag.

whats about other presidents ? who of them has mentioned Kurapaty or Katyn´?

I suspect none have.

 

[Litwin]

 

[Litwin]

 

[Litwin]

whats interesting here that many Muscovites are still believe (or just spread thelies ) that that Poles were killed by Nazis. the Mongols juchi use the same Koba´s tool when they spread lies about Kurapaty massacre . do they really believe to what they say ?

Katyn: The Massacre Stalin Tried To Blame On The Nazis

Kurapaty - Wikipedia

Um.. because a War with Germany was worse for Poland than handing over the corridor would have been....

You see, the real stupidity of WWII was that French and British wrote the Polish Colonels a blank check, when they had no ability to really enforce it. This threw Hitler into an alliance with Stalin and bye-bye Poland.

Not only do some Russians think the Nazis did it, but some Americans do too. After all, the lying fool FDR KNEW the Nazis did it at the time it happened, but refused to insult his Uncle Joe. So, he told the American people Hitler did it. Just another lie among thousands.

FDR also instigated the Poles to refuse Hitler's demands, claiming he would support them. Of course, he had no intention of supporting the Poles. He was instigating a war with Germany, because he was played the fool by his Uncle Joe and the Limeys.

FDR hid Katyn Massacre from the public with knowledge of Katyn Massacre, he also mocked Polish Jan Karski for trying to warn FDR of the Holocaust, saying to Karski "Are Poland's Horses okay" also note
that FDR supported the Soviet take-over of Poland in Tehran & Yalta Conference, this move not only makes FDR a God-Father of the Cold War, but is also a move which killed, and oppressed millions of people, it's estimated that 1 million Poles following WW2 had died from Communist famine, and that 500,000 were imprisoned as Politiical prisoners under the UB of Jew Jakub Berman, with 6,000 direct executions of Poles by Jakub Berman.
Also note that Jewish Commie Salomon Morel had killed Poles, and enslaved Poles in the Zgoda Labour Camp, the Jaworzno Camp, and had butchered Polish Armia Krajowa patriots at Lublin Castle.

Agreed. Some of us know FDR was a terrible fool and a lying scumbag.

whats about other presidents ? who of them has mentioned Kurapaty or Katyn´?

I suspect none have.

you are right, whats even more interesting here, USA knew about holodomor and death 7 000 000 poor peasants in Ukraine , Belarus, Kazakhstan, south of Muscovy just in 2 years ....

Grappling With Holodomor - The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/01/...holodomor/282816/
Jan 3, 2014 - Thoughts On Timothy Snyder's The Bloodlands. ... in autumn 1933, just as his personal initiative in US-Soviet relations was bearing fruit. ... into a Stalinist trap: Stalin certainly understood that Jewish NKVD officers would be a ...

 

[Litwin]

Poles are to Europe what Mexicans are to North America.

You will be surprised, but the Poles believe that they are the main ones in Europe!
Pogany and primitive people.

Katyn?
In 1943, the Nazis shot 9 thousand Polish officers.
Why prove something to these insects from Poland or the former Eastern Bloc?
Throw these servants with whips.
They love it.
Note that 2 of these insects with which you argue are emigrants .. they "love their Motherland so much that they prefer to live in another country."

a Muscovite gave his shitty trolly - comment about Poland, you forgot to mention "Volyn massacre"

 

[whitehall]

The issue was settled more than seventy years ago and there never was a question that Stalinists executed Polish army officers. Yeah we get it, Stalin was a monster but why dig up Polish graves in the 21st century? Listen to your doctor and take your meds and let it go.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Both Soviets, and Nazis were butchering ethnic Poles before WW2 had begun, in the Polish Operation of the NKVD 1937 - 1938 115,000 or so Poles were executed by Soviets, as for Nazi Germans they waited a bit longer, having waited until may of 1939 to start butchering ethnic Poles in Operation Tannenberg which ultimately led to 30,000 or so executed Poles.

And why was any of that our problem?

Again, the problem here was that the Polish Colonels insisted on a war they couldn't win.

Now, probably the war would have come eventually anyway, because, you know, Hitler.

But man, fighting over a sliver of land you ended up losing anyway... that was dumb.

To say that Poles started WW2 is truly ridiculous, and retarded.
Actually, German Nazis staged the Gleiwitz Incident to pretend Poland had invaded Germany.

You sound like a Nazi sympathizer, a Soviet sympathizer, and a Democrat far Left Multiculturalist kook all in one.

You're prime example to why Germ-Many shouldn't be given the right to exist as it does, Germans are a great misfortune to the European peoples, and beyond.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

It's going the other way.

Poles are revitalizing parts of decaying East Germany.

A Polish Lifeline for an Ailing German Town

Anyways, I actually must go to work, I'll be back later to pound your Germ-Nazi non-sense.

Poles are to Europe what Mexicans are to North America.

Poland in the Renaissance was superior to Germany.

If not for disgusting Germans destroying Poland for it's May 3rd Constitution in 1791, then Poland probably would be more advanced than Germany.

I've seen stats showing in the 1400 - 1500's Poland was richer than the German territory, furthermore Poland contributed a thriving Democracy of the Sejm Parliament, while Germans didn't even have Democracy much, if at all until the 20th century.

Also note the Scientific Revolution started in Poland with Copernicus, also his mentor Albert Brudzewski was a Pole.
Along with many other Poles like Michal Sedziwoj, Joseph Struthius, Jozef Brozek, and Kazimierz Siemienowicz, among numerous composers of music, poets, artists, and philosophers others.

Poland was also ahead of Germany in military might in this era too, having proved this all too well at Grundwald having smashed the Teutons to a vassal state called Royal Prussia, which even those Teutons had to pay Homage to Polish Kings, and also German Teutons had to pay war reparations to Poland as well (See the Prussian Homage)

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Poles are to Europe what Mexicans are to North America.

You will be surprised, but the Poles believe that they are the main ones in Europe!
Pogany and primitive people.

Katyn?
In 1943, the Nazis shot 9 thousand Polish officers.
Why prove something to these insects from Poland or the former Eastern Bloc?
Throw these servants with whips.
They love it.
Note that 2 of these insects with which you argue are emigrants .. they "love their Motherland so much that they prefer to live in another country."

You're clearly racial trash of a high order, what kind of Russian can't say anything wrong about Germ-Mans who killed up to 29 million Soviet citizens in WW2, but then cries about Poland for existing, and for Poland killing only thousands of Soviets in the Polish - Soviet war in 1919 - 1920.

Russia doesn't have the history of Poland, in fact I can't think of any Russian scientists until Poland was Partitioned.

Presumably most Russian scientists, writers, musicians etc. are more Polish - Ukrainian - Belarussian, while the real Russians are Finno-Ugric savages speaking Russian.