Justice for the Bundys

[koshergrl]

They have been acquitted in Oregon...and had charges dismissed with prejudice in the case of the Bunkerville standoff.

They have been vindicated in every instance...but justice hasn't been served yet.

 

[Coyote]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

 

[Marion Morrison]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

So, whoever brought the case to the prosecutor, and the prosecutor that ran with the fail is fail, amirite?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

So it was ok for the Federal Prosecutor to lie to several Judges to lock up people after lying about what they did and then you give them a pass with ohh gally the messed up. The lawyers for the Government should be disbarred and all the FBI and BLM personnel involved in the harassment and attacks on the Bundy's should be charged with violating the law at least some of them LIED under oath in Court.

 

[Coyote]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

So it was ok for the Federal Prosecutor to lie to several Judges to lock up people after lying about what they did and then you give them a pass with ohh gally the messed up. The lawyers for the Government should be disbarred and all the FBI and BLM personnel involved in the harassment and attacks on the Bundy's should be charged with violating the law at least some of them LIED under oath in Court.

They aren't innocent.

 

[koshergrl]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

Actually....dismissed with prejudice means they can never be criminally charged for anything associated with the incident. The term means they did nothing wrong. You are confusing the dismissal with the acquittal in Oregon. Though in Oregon the judge never said that either.

 

[del]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

Actually....dismissed with prejudice means they can never be criminally charged for anything associated with the incident. The term means they did nothing wrong. You are confusing the dismissal with the acquittal in Oregon. Though in Oregon the judge never said that either.

dismissed with prejudice neither states nor implies innocence on the part of the defendant

 

[koshergrl]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

So it was ok for the Federal Prosecutor to lie to several Judges to lock up people after lying about what they did and then you give them a pass with ohh gally the messed up. The lawyers for the Government should be disbarred and all the FBI and BLM personnel involved in the harassment and attacks on the Bundy's should be charged with violating the law at least some of them LIED under oath in Court.

They aren't innocent.

Yeah. Dismissed with prejudice means they shouldn't have been charged with a crime. The judge recognized that they were justified in arming themselves against the goons that circled their home and were training weapons on their kids long before the standoff.

 

[koshergrl]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

Actually....dismissed with prejudice means they can never be criminally charged for anything associated with the incident. The term means they did nothing wrong. You are confusing the dismissal with the acquittal in Oregon. Though in Oregon the judge never said that either.

dismissed with prejudice neither states nor implies innocence on the part of the defendant

It establishes that they should never been charged. It doesn't establish a judgement of innocence because it is a formal recognition that there was no crime committed in the first place and the claims that there was a crime are lies.

 

[del]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

Actually....dismissed with prejudice means they can never be criminally charged for anything associated with the incident. The term means they did nothing wrong. You are confusing the dismissal with the acquittal in Oregon. Though in Oregon the judge never said that either.

dismissed with prejudice neither states nor implies innocence on the part of the defendant

It establishes that they should never been charged. It doesn't establish a judgement of innocence because it is a formal recognition that there was no crime committed in the first place and the claims that there was a crime are lies.

no, it doesn't

read a book or have one read to you.

 

[Coyote]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

Actually....dismissed with prejudice means they can never be criminally charged for anything associated with the incident. The term means they did nothing wrong. You are confusing the dismissal with the acquittal in Oregon. Though in Oregon the judge never said that either.

Not quite. Yes it means they can't be retried.

Dismissed with prejudice: Dismissed With Prejudice Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.

But no it doesn't mean they did nothing wrong - it says nothing about guilt or innocence. It just means that the prosecutors effed it up to the point where they could not possibly get a fair trial so the whole thing is tossed. This is what she said Dec 20th.

Mistrial declared in Bundy trial over withheld evidence

Had the evidence been provided in a timely manner, Navarro said, defense attorneys would have asked different questions of the jury, selected jurors differently and made stronger arguments during their opening statements.

Navarro said she wanted to be clear that her order did not mean that the evidence was in fact exculpatory or that the defendants were not guilty.

“That’s not my technical position, and it’s not a factual decision to be made by this court,” she said. “The defense has a right to information so it can provide it to the jury so the jury can decide.”​

And I agree with her - the prosecutors seriously effed up - it's indefensible. At the very least they should be fired.

 

[Coyote]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

Actually....dismissed with prejudice means they can never be criminally charged for anything associated with the incident. The term means they did nothing wrong. You are confusing the dismissal with the acquittal in Oregon. Though in Oregon the judge never said that either.

dismissed with prejudice neither states nor implies innocence on the part of the defendant

It establishes that they should never been charged. It doesn't establish a judgement of innocence because it is a formal recognition that there was no crime committed in the first place and the claims that there was a crime are lies.

No I don't think that is what it means at all - essentially it means that the prosecuters have created a situation where it is impossible for the defendent to have a fair trial.

 

[koshergrl]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

So it was ok for the Federal Prosecutor to lie to several Judges to lock up people after lying about what they did and then you give them a pass with ohh gally the messed up. The lawyers for the Government should be disbarred and all the FBI and BLM personnel involved in the harassment and attacks on the Bundy's should be charged with violating the law at least some of them LIED under oath in Court.

The misconduct goes further. The judge recognized the criminal acts of the so called agents were sufficient to cause any reasonable person to believe they were in danger. The prosecutorial misconduct was that they lied about the misconduct of the BLM. And they hid evidence that supported the defense's case....and they didn't just hide the evidence....they lied about it and jeered at the defendants when they said the evidence existed.

And the judge and jury members were not the only ones who realized it. Larry Wooten of the BLM also provided a detailed report of the nauseating and criminal actions of the agents.

Dan Love who headed up the blm military action is disgraced and in hiding having been charged with corruption. I heard he is claiming he is mentally ill so he can't be forced to testify or be held accountable.

The Hammond prosecutor who managed to get the Hammonds into prison after they served their sentence is a deranged Obama appointee who likewise has been disgraced, fired and charged with crimes including sexual harassment, stalking and intimidation of a witness.

One of the fbi goons responsible for the murder of finicum is currently being tried for lying and obstruction of justice for lying about shooting at finicums car...hiding evidence and then conspiring. with others to present a false narrative of events.

So no. It isn't just one attorney lying. Not by a long shot.

Btw the dismissed jurors came to the court to see the Bundys dismissed and released.

 

[del]

*Btw the dismissed jurors came to the court to see the Bundys dismissed and released.*

lots of people enjoy freak shows.

you should know that

 

[Coyote]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

So it was ok for the Federal Prosecutor to lie to several Judges to lock up people after lying about what they did and then you give them a pass with ohh gally the messed up. The lawyers for the Government should be disbarred and all the FBI and BLM personnel involved in the harassment and attacks on the Bundy's should be charged with violating the law at least some of them LIED under oath in Court.

The misconduct goes further. The judge recognized the criminal acts of the so called agents were sufficient to cause any reasonable person to believe they were in danger. The prosecutorial misconduct was that they lied about the misconduct of the Bundys.

And the judge and jury members were not the only ones who realized it. Larry Wooten of the BLM also provided a detailed report of the nauseating and criminal actions of the agents.

Dan Love who headed up the blm military action is disgraced and in hiding having been charged with corruption. I heard he is claiming he is mentally ill so he can't be forced to testify or be held accountable.

The Hammond prosecutor who managed to get the Hammonds into prison after they served their sentence is a deranged Obama appointee who likewise has been disgraced, fired and charged with crimes including sexual harassment, stalking and intimidation of a witness.

One of the fbi goons responsible for the murder of finicum is currently being tried for lying and obstruction of justice for lying about shooting at finicums car...hiding evidence and then conspiring. with others to present a false narrative of events.

So no. It isn't just one attorney lying. Not by a long shot.

Btw the dismissed jurors came to the court to see the Bundys dismissed and released.

I agree with you on parts of that - the FBI totally screwed it up. However - Finicum drew his weapon and - made it clear he expected to die in a shoot out.

 

[koshergrl]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

Actually....dismissed with prejudice means they can never be criminally charged for anything associated with the incident. The term means they did nothing wrong. You are confusing the dismissal with the acquittal in Oregon. Though in Oregon the judge never said that either.

Not quite. Yes it means they can't be retried.

Dismissed with prejudice: Dismissed With Prejudice Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.

But no it doesn't mean they did nothing wrong - it says nothing about guilt or innocence. It just means that the prosecutors effed it up to the point where they could not possibly get a fair trial so the whole thing is tossed. This is what she said Dec 20th.

Mistrial declared in Bundy trial over withheld evidence

Had the evidence been provided in a timely manner, Navarro said, defense attorneys would have asked different questions of the jury, selected jurors differently and made stronger arguments during their opening statements.

Navarro said she wanted to be clear that her order did not mean that the evidence was in fact exculpatory or that the defendants were not guilty.

“That’s not my technical position, and it’s not a factual decision to be made by this court,” she said. “The defense has a right to information so it can provide it to the jury so the jury can decide.”​

And I agree with her - the prosecutors seriously effed up - it's indefensible. At the very least they should be fired.

They will be.

But what they hid was (among other things)the criminal actions of the agents.

 

[koshergrl]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

So it was ok for the Federal Prosecutor to lie to several Judges to lock up people after lying about what they did and then you give them a pass with ohh gally the messed up. The lawyers for the Government should be disbarred and all the FBI and BLM personnel involved in the harassment and attacks on the Bundy's should be charged with violating the law at least some of them LIED under oath in Court.

The misconduct goes further. The judge recognized the criminal acts of the so called agents were sufficient to cause any reasonable person to believe they were in danger. The prosecutorial misconduct was that they lied about the misconduct of the Bundys.

And the judge and jury members were not the only ones who realized it. Larry Wooten of the BLM also provided a detailed report of the nauseating and criminal actions of the agents.

Dan Love who headed up the blm military action is disgraced and in hiding having been charged with corruption. I heard he is claiming he is mentally ill so he can't be forced to testify or be held accountable.

The Hammond prosecutor who managed to get the Hammonds into prison after they served their sentence is a deranged Obama appointee who likewise has been disgraced, fired and charged with crimes including sexual harassment, stalking and intimidation of a witness.

One of the fbi goons responsible for the murder of finicum is currently being tried for lying and obstruction of justice for lying about shooting at finicums car...hiding evidence and then conspiring. with others to present a false narrative of events.

So no. It isn't just one attorney lying. Not by a long shot.

Btw the dismissed jurors came to the court to see the Bundys dismissed and released.

I agree with you on parts of that - the FBI totally screwed it up. However - Finicum drew his weapon and - made it clear he expected to die in a shoot out.

No he did not draw a weapon. And in fact the fbi agent on trial is on trial for shooting at the car before he got out

And no he did not make it clear he expected to die in a shootout. Didn't happen so quit lying.

 

[Coyote]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

So it was ok for the Federal Prosecutor to lie to several Judges to lock up people after lying about what they did and then you give them a pass with ohh gally the messed up. The lawyers for the Government should be disbarred and all the FBI and BLM personnel involved in the harassment and attacks on the Bundy's should be charged with violating the law at least some of them LIED under oath in Court.

The misconduct goes further. The judge recognized the criminal acts of the so called agents were sufficient to cause any reasonable person to believe they were in danger. The prosecutorial misconduct was that they lied about the misconduct of the Bundys.

And the judge and jury members were not the only ones who realized it. Larry Wooten of the BLM also provided a detailed report of the nauseating and criminal actions of the agents.

Dan Love who headed up the blm military action is disgraced and in hiding having been charged with corruption. I heard he is claiming he is mentally ill so he can't be forced to testify or be held accountable.

The Hammond prosecutor who managed to get the Hammonds into prison after they served their sentence is a deranged Obama appointee who likewise has been disgraced, fired and charged with crimes including sexual harassment, stalking and intimidation of a witness.

One of the fbi goons responsible for the murder of finicum is currently being tried for lying and obstruction of justice for lying about shooting at finicums car...hiding evidence and then conspiring. with others to present a false narrative of events.

So no. It isn't just one attorney lying. Not by a long shot.

Btw the dismissed jurors came to the court to see the Bundys dismissed and released.

I agree with you on parts of that - the FBI totally screwed it up. However - Finicum drew his weapon and - made it clear he expected to die in a shoot out.

No he did not draw a weapon. And in fact the fbi agent on trial is on trial for shooting at the car before he got out

And no he did not make it clear he expected to die in a shootout. Didn't happen so quit lying.

Rancher killed in Oregon standoff vowed to die before going to jail

 

[koshergrl]

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

So it was ok for the Federal Prosecutor to lie to several Judges to lock up people after lying about what they did and then you give them a pass with ohh gally the messed up. The lawyers for the Government should be disbarred and all the FBI and BLM personnel involved in the harassment and attacks on the Bundy's should be charged with violating the law at least some of them LIED under oath in Court.

The misconduct goes further. The judge recognized the criminal acts of the so called agents were sufficient to cause any reasonable person to believe they were in danger. The prosecutorial misconduct was that they lied about the misconduct of the Bundys.

And the judge and jury members were not the only ones who realized it. Larry Wooten of the BLM also provided a detailed report of the nauseating and criminal actions of the agents.

Dan Love who headed up the blm military action is disgraced and in hiding having been charged with corruption. I heard he is claiming he is mentally ill so he can't be forced to testify or be held accountable.

The Hammond prosecutor who managed to get the Hammonds into prison after they served their sentence is a deranged Obama appointee who likewise has been disgraced, fired and charged with crimes including sexual harassment, stalking and intimidation of a witness.

One of the fbi goons responsible for the murder of finicum is currently being tried for lying and obstruction of justice for lying about shooting at finicums car...hiding evidence and then conspiring. with others to present a false narrative of events.

So no. It isn't just one attorney lying. Not by a long shot.

Btw the dismissed jurors came to the court to see the Bundys dismissed and released.

I agree with you on parts of that - the FBI totally screwed it up. However - Finicum drew his weapon and - made it clear he expected to die in a shoot out.

No he did not draw a weapon. And in fact the fbi agent on trial is on trial for shooting at the car before he got out

And no he did not make it clear he expected to die in a shootout. Didn't happen so quit lying.

Rancher killed in Oregon standoff vowed to die before going to jail[/QU

The charges were dismissed with prejudiced due the bad behavior on the part of the prosecutors - but the judge was careful to note this was not a proclamation of either innocence or guilt - just that the prosecutors seriously effed up.

So it was ok for the Federal Prosecutor to lie to several Judges to lock up people after lying about what they did and then you give them a pass with ohh gally the messed up. The lawyers for the Government should be disbarred and all the FBI and BLM personnel involved in the harassment and attacks on the Bundy's should be charged with violating the law at least some of them LIED under oath in Court.

The misconduct goes further. The judge recognized the criminal acts of the so called agents were sufficient to cause any reasonable person to believe they were in danger. The prosecutorial misconduct was that they lied about the misconduct of the Bundys.

And the judge and jury members were not the only ones who realized it. Larry Wooten of the BLM also provided a detailed report of the nauseating and criminal actions of the agents.

Dan Love who headed up the blm military action is disgraced and in hiding having been charged with corruption. I heard he is claiming he is mentally ill so he can't be forced to testify or be held accountable.

The Hammond prosecutor who managed to get the Hammonds into prison after they served their sentence is a deranged Obama appointee who likewise has been disgraced, fired and charged with crimes including sexual harassment, stalking and intimidation of a witness.

One of the fbi goons responsible for the murder of finicum is currently being tried for lying and obstruction of justice for lying about shooting at finicums car...hiding evidence and then conspiring. with others to present a false narrative of events.

So no. It isn't just one attorney lying. Not by a long shot.

Btw the dismissed jurors came to the court to see the Bundys dismissed and released.

I agree with you on parts of that - the FBI totally screwed it up. However - Finicum drew his weapon and - made it clear he expected to die in a shoot out.

No he did not draw a weapon. And in fact the fbi agent on trial is on trial for shooting at the car before he got out

And no he did not make it clear he expected to die in a shootout. Didn't happen so quit lying.

Rancher killed in Oregon standoff vowed to die before going to jail

Didn't happen and this two year old article doesn't prove it did.

 

[jillian]

They have been acquitted in Oregon...and had charges dismissed with prejudice in the case of the Bunkerville standoff.

They have been vindicated in every instance...but justice hasn't been served yet.

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he should be in jail for 20 years. THAT would be justice.

treasonous wackjob