usmbguest5318
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Dude I have several hundred posts here on F-35....My numbers don't match or are similar to yours at all...Lowest current price I have seen is 125 not including all updates after mfg and the Naval fixes are still being worked out so there is no firm number on those costsPart of prob in knowing is cutting thru all bs
How much the F-35 Really Cost? | Defense Update:
Those figs are wildly different than yours and I could post more of the same. Every plane we are building will need to be immediately modified with new major software upgrade next yr, After cutting cost of AF1 IN half I dont doubt we will be saving on this but again it may be hard to quantify
The figures aren't wildly different at all. The article I cited states in their text:
The article you cite notes a sum of ~$180M in 2014:
"Pentagon budget documents show F-35Bs ordered in 2011 cost $172.9 million apiece ($190 million in today’s dollars). The ones ordered last year cost $131.6 million."
"...in 2014. The math for unit cost comes to $172.7 million for each aircraft. To be fully accurate, however, we should add the additional procurement money authorized for “modification of aircraft” for F-35As for 2014; that means $158 million more, bringing the total unit production cost to $181 million per copy"
Those numbers, given that I'm not going to look at the Pentagon documentation, are similar/close enough for me and for the purposes of giving readers of my OP sufficient context for thinking about the price of the plane then, now and going forward and with regard to what Trump says he saved.
Dude, you need to do your own due diligence, not just toss out a competing figure without reading at the article I cited. I don't have a problem with your contradicting me, but I do have a problem with your doing it "sans portfolio." There's a reason I provided the source link in my OP: so readers who were aware of what they perceive as differing information could review my and their information and reconcile the two, at least in an "order of magnitude" way.
You obviously did not do that; thus you've demonstrated no discursive/intellectual integrity. That behavior is immature, irresponsible and disrespectful to both me an yourself. I know that one who has little or no self-respect certainly has no respect for me, and I don't interact with people of that sort. So I bid you adieu.[/QUOTEr
Lowest current price I have seen is 125 not including all updates after mfg and the Naval fixes are still being worked out so there is no firm number on those costs
Okay...TY for that. The question I've asked remains contextually the same -- I'm still asking how much has Trump actually saved us. Given the figure you've indicated above, my question can be seen as being, "How much below the current and currently estimated price will the planes cost as a result of Trump's efforts?"
I have several hundred posts here on F-35....My numbers don't match or are similar to yours at all
- The quantity of posts you have on the topic is irrelevant to the savings Trump has made or whether any subsequent cost reductions are attributable to him.
- When were planes ordered in 2011 delivered? Might it be that the $172M cited in my article is the same $172M your article notes for the cost of planes received in 2014?
If you're of a mind to compare the accounting the two articles present, you need to think about the temporal context in which each article presented the information. I don't know the time span from placing an order to taking delivery of a plane, but I suspect that 2.5-3 years isn't unreasonable. I do know that huge and long timeline projects like that tend to call for payment upon milestones (dates, degree of completion, etc.) or up-front and in full (rare for government projects of this nature), or in-full upon delivery (also rare for gov't projects of this nature)
I realize the $85M figure cited in my post/article is a projection, and it's the projection Lockheed/the Pentagon were operating on before Trump's involvement. Thus, if Trump's in fact saving us money, there should now be a revised projection that's lower. What is it? I don't right now care much who shares the projection -- your preferred sources, mine or someone else's -- I just want to know what it is. After all, when someone, in this case Trump, says "I saved you money," asking "how much" isn't unreasonable, and the answer should be provided as a number, not vaguely as "lots" or "millions" or some other very imprecise format.