Operation Barbarossa - Wikipedia
Long read but an interesting one. Hitler's big mistake. Tactically speaking the Germans should have driven straight to Moscow instead of diverting towards Kiev in August-September 1941.
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June 22, 1941
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Long read but an interesting one. Hitler's big mistake. Tactically speaking the Germans should have driven straight to Moscow instead of diverting towards Kiev in August-September 1941.
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If memory serves they called Hitler the Bohemian corporal not general.
Sure, Hitler may have not been the best general, in fact, secretly they made fun of him as his generals called him the Bohemian General, but he had legs that would never stop.
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Well that is even funnierIf memory serves they called Hitler the Bohemian corporal not general.
Hilarious!
Hindenburg said: "Jener böhmische Gefreite ....."If memory serves they called Hitler the Bohemian corporal not general.
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Long read but an interesting one. Hitler's big mistake. Tactically speaking the Germans should have driven straight to Moscow instead of diverting towards Kiev in August-September 1941.
Stalin intentionally provoked it in order to make Hitler believe he'd finish off the Russians as quickly as he had blitzkrieged the Poles and the French. The apparently imminent defeat of Russia also brought America into the war, because the use of Russian resources and slave labor would have made Germany too hard to beat.
Stalin refused to fight back until the Nazis had far overextended themselves and a Second Front had been opened. The delayed Russian counter-offensive didn't start until December 7, 1941.
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Swishy Swasticker. Eva Braun Was a Fag-Hag.
Sure, Hitler may have not been the best general, but he had legs that would never stop.
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More evidence that he had supported himself in Vienna as a Gayist prostitute until one of his rich clients got him into the Nazi Party. Also consider his limp-wristed waving in Triumph of the Will.
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Bigot.Swishy Swasticker. Eva Braun Was a Fag-Hag.
More evidence that he had supported himself in Vienna as a Gayist prostitute until one of his rich clients got him into the Nazi Party. Also consider his limp-wristed waving in Triumph of the Will.
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Groom and DoomBigot.
The fact that Dear Adolf eventually gassed Gayists only proves that these creatures only care about themselves, not their cult. Rock Hudson and Roy Cohn refused to tell their "lovers" they had AIDS. Michel Foucault, a degenerate French philosopher, even did that in order to understand the "experience" of being a murderer.
They should have also prepared better for winter. Even if they took Moscow, winter was still coming. It’s what really defeated Napoleon.Operation Barbarossa - Wikipedia
Long read but an interesting one. Hitler's big mistake. Tactically speaking the Germans should have driven straight to Moscow instead of diverting towards Kiev in August-September 1941.
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Good point.They should have also prepared better for winter. Even if they took Moscow, winter was still coming. It’s what really defeated Napoleon.
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Hero of the Soviet Union Natalya Meklin
On the fronts of the Great Patriotic War she was since May 1942. She was a squadron communications chief, pilot, senior pilot and wing commander of the 46th Guards Night Bomber Aviation Regiment, whose pilots were nicknamed "night witches" by the germans out of fear. She fought on the Southern, North Caucasus, 4th Ukrainian and 2nd Belorussian Fronts. In total, the account of Natalia Meklin - 980 combat sorties, during which 147 tons of bombs were dropped on the enemy.
On the fronts of the Great Patriotic War she was since May 1942. She was a squadron communications chief, pilot, senior pilot and wing commander of the 46th Guards Night Bomber Aviation Regiment, whose pilots were nicknamed "night witches" by the germans out of fear. She fought on the Southern, North Caucasus, 4th Ukrainian and 2nd Belorussian Fronts. In total, the account of Natalia Meklin - 980 combat sorties, during which 147 tons of bombs were dropped on the enemy.
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Indeed and that sounds like the Russian battle plan in Ukraine today.Draw Play
Stalin intentionally provoked it in order to make Hitler believe he'd finish off the Russians as quickly as he had blitzkrieged the Poles and the French. The apparently imminent defeat of Russia also brought America into the war, because the use of Russian resources and slave labor would have made Germany too hard to beat.
Stalin refused to fight back until the Nazis had far overextended themselves and a Second Front had been opened. The delayed Russian counter-offensive didn't start until December 7, 1941.
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Don't Russians freeze to death in Winter?Good point.
even if the Germans took Moscow that wouldnt have ended the war. They needed to cut off the allied supply routes and cut off or take the Oil wells. And the Soviets did not bring the US into the war Japan did. Followed by Hitler declaring war on the US.
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I think the launch of Operation Barbarossa got delayed more than once too which certainly didn't help with meeting their objectives before the 1941 Russian winter set in. Hitler vastly underestimated the number of manpower reserves Stalin had too. Goering doesn't escape blame for Germany's lack of long range bombers either.They should have also prepared better for winter. Even if they took Moscow, winter was still coming. It’s what really defeated Napoleon.
Italy's failure to take Greece delayed the Soviet Offensive Hitler had to send troops to bail them out. that was like a month or 2 delay but weather wouldnt have allowed to early a start anyway.I think the launch of Operation Barbarossa got delayed more than once too which certainly didn't help with meeting their objectives before the 1941 Russian winter set in. Hitler vastly underestimated the number of manpower reserves Stalin had too. Goering doesn't escape blame for Germany's lack of long range bombers either.
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Been awhile since I read a lot about it. Refresh my memory. Spring rains in Russia?that was like a month or 2 delay but weather wouldnt have allowed to early a start anyway.
ya I play a lot of war games and in all of them it is mud until May and so the Germans Lost all of May and most of June before attacking.Been awhile since I read a lot about it. Refresh my memory. Spring rains in Russia?
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to top it off they did not drive straight to Moscow, they diverted south. Got caught in the Russian winter outside of Moscow.ya I play a lot of war games and in all of them it is mud until May and so the Germans Lost all of May and most of June before attacking.
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