John 3:16 means you have to be Christian to get into heaven

[bodecea]

Amazing how much credence they put into The Big Book of Myths and Fables.

This one?

 

[Blackrook]

I don't mind non-Christians weighing in, this thread is intended towards anyone who doubts the eternal consequences for disbelief.

Basically, the doctrine is we are all born in original sin.

Christ died to save us from original sin, and also our own personal sins.

But the Bible verses I quoted say that belief in Christ is necessary to take advantage of the redemption Christ won for us on the cross.

However, there are other verses that say that even belief in Christ is not enough, there will be Christians who are rejected by Christ when they are judged.

 

[edthecynic]

the doctrine is we are all born in original sin.

How can that be? How can you commit a sin while in the womb????

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

the doctrine is we are all born in original sin.

How can that be? How can you commit a sin while in the womb????

No, you have it wrong. You actually were a sinner before you were even conceived. Pretty evil stuff, right? truly vile... as petty , vain, and wicked as it gets....

 

[godsandmen]

I don't mind non-Christians weighing in, this thread is intended towards anyone who doubts the eternal consequences for disbelief.

Basically, the doctrine is we are all born in original sin.

Christ died to save us from original sin, and also our own personal sins.

But the Bible verses I quoted say that belief in Christ is necessary to take advantage of the redemption Christ won for us on the cross.

However, there are other verses that say that even belief in Christ is not enough, there will be Christians who are rejected by Christ when they are judged.

Original sin as opposed to unoriginal sin. I'm still trying to discover ways to sin that have never been tried before

 

[Luddly Neddite]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Is there any support in the Bible for the opposite position, that a man or woman can obtain salvation without belief in Christ?

Because this is a pretty common belief, even among Christians, and I think it is wrong.

One of the first times I recognized a lie.

I was very young - pre or early teen - but even then I realized that Jesus didn't die, as god said. He spent a weekend in a cave and then went to hang out with his BFFs.

I also remember questioning how god was Jesus and Jesus was god so how did god "give" himself and - it's dizzying.

Later, I learned that christianity was actually copied from other, older religions.

It's the longest lasting, most financially successful scam in the history of the planet. That in itself it pretty impressive.


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[Luddly Neddite]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

And that's what it says and there you go!

"it"? As in, the bible?

The proof that the bible is real and true is that the bible says it's real and true.

"And there you go".



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[Luddly Neddite]

Amazing how much credence they put into The Big Book of Myths and Fables.

Strange that the God Haters are so insecure in their faith that they feel the need to interject their opinion in a thread that clearly doesn't pertain to them.

This thread is for those who accept the authority of the Scriptures. We get that you reject this and all the other verses.

'Strange that the god believers are so insecure in their faith that it can't withstand being doubted and questioned".

Why does it not pertain to those who doubt and question?

Why do christians fewer that?


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[Peach]

King James chose the translators.

 

[Blackrook]

King James chose the translators.

I chose King James in accommodation to the Protestants. There are other, more reliable, versions of the Bible.

 

[ninja007]

King James chose the translators.

I chose King James in accommodation to the Protestants. There are other, more reliable, versions of the Bible.

wrong. KJV is the best version.

 

[Peach]

Thanks but best to me means closest to the originals that are availble.

 

[alang1216]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Is there any support in the Bible for the opposite position, that a man or woman can obtain salvation without belief in Christ?

Because this is a pretty common belief, even among Christians, and I think it is wrong.

What about those too young to understand Jesus?
What about all those born before Jesus?
What about people born in the ME, India or China today, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews and Muslims, that have never learned or even heard about Jesus?

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

John 14:6:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

And everyone he was talking to rolled their eyes and went back to herding goats.....good one Jesus, see you at the pub later....

Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.
Galatians 6 :7

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

The Bible is not a literal text, and those who believe that it is so, are concrete learners and cannot abstract.

... and as a direct result of that view, that’s how Nostradamus and his supporters would get their start.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Oh, and I hope God starts with India. Then the rest of the ME.

Demanding holy genocide from God is such a Christian thing

 

[TheOldSchool]

John 14:6:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Imagine how much pussy he got after convincing all the other sand dwellers about that

 

[badger2]

Crotch Clown #37 tries to smuggle in the secret that a girl just doesn't put up with the death of her father (Electra complex), though a male will have more problems with it, due to Oedipus.

 

[badger2]

The John 3:16 is simply a mortal voice wailing out that it has no choice but to be thrown into the future. This is Jacob Boehme's "birthing the son" or Chinese pure yang with no yin (taoism).

 

[Mr Natural]

John 14:6:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Seems like JC was a bit full of himself.