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Peace, all.
I just wanted to share this (reported) saying of Prophet Muhammad about Jesus that I like very much (from the Bukhari hadith:)
...[Prophet Muhammad] said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it."...(Book #55, Hadith #657)
Peace.
PS: For the record, I am not a Muslim. I am a Sabian who believes that Muhammad was a Prophet.
This is indeed a Hadith (a saying of Muhammad, peace be upon him and his family). However, Muhammad spoke to the people according to what they understood. This is a very well known concept in Islam, we only talk to people according to what they understand. That is why the Hadith that you mention is not to be understood word per word.
I have talked in this thread about who Jesus is in Islam.
"Islam and the Muslims have a much greater right to Jesus than Christianity and the Christians."
I speak from the knowledge of the Saints of Islam.
Salman Al Farsi (Salman the Persian, as he was from Persia which is today's Iran) was someone who rigorously sought God before he knew Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family). He (may God be well pleased with him) would serve a Christian monk for years, in order that the monk teaches him some things; and when the monk died, he sought someone else, until there was no one greater left, so that he remained alone. One day he heard of a man who was famous for that he used to come out to the people at a certain period during the year. When he came out to the people every one he prayed for was healed. Salman sought that man until he found him. The man told him that there were no more sincerity and purity left between people and told him to go to the people of the Haram (in Mecca) because the last prophet, the last of all the prophets was about to appear among them. This is how Salman went to Mecca and met Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family). When Salman mentioned his story to Muhammad, Muhammad told him that the man he met was Jesus, the son of Mary, peace on them both.
Eventually, Salman became one of the most famous Companions, may God be well pleased with all of them. Muhammad declared that Salman was to be considered as someone of his family. He ordered his wives not to cover in front of Salman.
I speak from the knowledge of the saints of Islam.
Jesus was once asked about how he learnt good manners. He replied that no one taught it to him, but observing the ill-mannered, he acted to the contrary.
I did not say I had a religious leader.
As to reading the Bible, which is the holy book of Christianity, it can not seriously be considered as it claims to be a holy book dating back 2000 years. There is no way to accept such a book today as true. We accept the Qur'an because it was stipulated from the beginning that it would forever be protected from corruption. We accept the sayings of Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) because it was stipulated from the beginning that they would be very well recorded. That is why we have so many of them today that are reliable and uncorrupted.
The Koran is reliable and uncorrupted because it was stipulated at the beginning that the Koran would be reliable and uncorrupted.I did not say I had a religious leader.
As to reading the Bible, which is the holy book of Christianity, it can not seriously be considered as it claims to be a holy book dating back 2000 years. There is no way to accept such a book today as true. We accept the Qur'an because it was stipulated from the beginning that it would forever be protected from corruption. We accept the sayings of Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) because it was stipulated from the beginning that they would be very well recorded. That is why we have so many of them today that are reliable and uncorrupted.
I think that's an example of circular reasoning.
Peace, all.
I just wanted to share this (reported) saying of Prophet Muhammad about Jesus that I like very much (from the Bukhari hadith:)
...[Prophet Muhammad] said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it."...(Book #55, Hadith #657)
Peace.
PS: For the record, I am not a Muslim. I am a Sabian who believes that Muhammad was a Prophet.
This is indeed a Hadith (a saying of Muhammad, peace be upon him and his family). However, Muhammad spoke to the people according to what they understood. This is a very well known concept in Islam, we only talk to people according to what they understand. That is why the Hadith that you mention is not to be understood word per word.
I have talked in this thread about who Jesus is in Islam.
Peace, all.
I just wanted to share this (reported) saying of Prophet Muhammad about Jesus that I like very much (from the Bukhari hadith:)
...[Prophet Muhammad] said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it."...(Book #55, Hadith #657)
Peace.
PS: For the record, I am not a Muslim. I am a Sabian who believes that Muhammad was a Prophet.
This is indeed a Hadith (a saying of Muhammad, peace be upon him and his family). However, Muhammad spoke to the people according to what they understood. This is a very well known concept in Islam, we only talk to people according to what they understand. That is why the Hadith that you mention is not to be understood word per word.
I have talked in this thread about who Jesus is in Islam.
I speak as a Muslim.
Allah Almighty (God Almighty) willed that Jesus symbolizes victory. Jesus met with enmity and was considered a liar, but Allah Almighty gave him miracles that discarded all doubts about him. Jesus came with most clear signs, reviving the dead, healing the born blind and the lepers, etc. As such, Allah meant that Jesus represents absolute victory.
Jesus was not killed. He was raised to heavens, while the one who betrayed him was made to look like him, and was thus crucified.
This is the wisdom behind his supposed coming back in the end times. It means in the end times there will be absolute victory of God, and that means absolute victory of Muhammad and Islam, his religion, peace be upon him and his family. That is not done by the sword. When God wants to crush you, He only needs to say be, and it is.
The purpose of this thread is to give facts about Jesus, or some of his teachings, according to the traditional knowledge in Islam. Feel free to participate.
I speak as a Muslim.
Allah Almighty (God Almighty) willed that Jesus symbolizes victory. Jesus met with enmity and was considered a liar, but Allah Almighty gave him miracles that discarded all doubts about him. Jesus came with most clear signs, reviving the dead, healing the born blind and the lepers, etc. As such, Allah meant that Jesus represents absolute victory.
Jesus was not killed. He was raised to heavens, while the one who betrayed him was made to look like him, and was thus crucified.
This is the wisdom behind his supposed coming back in the end times. It means in the end times there will be absolute victory of God, and that means absolute victory of Muhammad and Islam, his religion, peace be upon him and his family. That is not done by the sword. When God wants to crush you, He only needs to say be, and it is.
The purpose of this thread is to give facts about Jesus, or some of his teachings, according to the traditional knowledge in Islam. Feel free to participate.
Logically, any contradictory claims about Jesus should have come alongside the Christian texts. In effect, Islam would have been extant ~600 years before it was founded. Instead of the gospels coming about when then did by themselves, texts claiming "No no, that's wrong. Jesus didn't die on the cross." should have been written at the same time.
Coming along centuries after the fact and making those sorts of claims is pretty obviously fabricated nonsensical claims.
I speak as a Muslim.
Allah Almighty (God Almighty) willed that Jesus symbolizes victory. Jesus met with enmity and was considered a liar, but Allah Almighty gave him miracles that discarded all doubts about him. Jesus came with most clear signs, reviving the dead, healing the born blind and the lepers, etc. As such, Allah meant that Jesus represents absolute victory.
Jesus was not killed. He was raised to heavens, while the one who betrayed him was made to look like him, and was thus crucified.
This is the wisdom behind his supposed coming back in the end times. It means in the end times there will be absolute victory of God, and that means absolute victory of Muhammad and Islam, his religion, peace be upon him and his family. That is not done by the sword. When God wants to crush you, He only needs to say be, and it is.
The purpose of this thread is to give facts about Jesus, or some of his teachings, according to the traditional knowledge in Islam. Feel free to participate.
Logically, any contradictory claims about Jesus should have come alongside the Christian texts. In effect, Islam would have been extant ~600 years before it was founded. Instead of the gospels coming about when then did by themselves, texts claiming "No no, that's wrong. Jesus didn't die on the cross." should have been written at the same time.
Coming along centuries after the fact and making those sorts of claims is pretty obviously fabricated nonsensical claims.
Deltex----you don't get it------the story of jesus in the Koran existed at the
beginning of time-----the KORAN IS ETERNAL-----or at least as old as a
black hole. If you have never read the Koran (first) and then listened
to what muslims SAY about it------you have no right to claim resistence to
psychosis
Read about one-third of the Qur'an before it seemed to start repeating itself and I quit. Have spoken at length with Muslims. I'm quite well briefed.
I speak as a Muslim.
Allah Almighty (God Almighty) willed that Jesus symbolizes victory. Jesus met with enmity and was considered a liar, but Allah Almighty gave him miracles that discarded all doubts about him. Jesus came with most clear signs, reviving the dead, healing the born blind and the lepers, etc. As such, Allah meant that Jesus represents absolute victory.
Jesus was not killed. He was raised to heavens, while the one who betrayed him was made to look like him, and was thus crucified.
This is the wisdom behind his supposed coming back in the end times. It means in the end times there will be absolute victory of God, and that means absolute victory of Muhammad and Islam, his religion, peace be upon him and his family. That is not done by the sword. When God wants to crush you, He only needs to say be, and it is.
The purpose of this thread is to give facts about Jesus, or some of his teachings, according to the traditional knowledge in Islam. Feel free to participate.
Logically, any contradictory claims about Jesus should have come alongside the Christian texts. In effect, Islam would have been extant ~600 years before it was founded. Instead of the gospels coming about when then did by themselves, texts claiming "No no, that's wrong. Jesus didn't die on the cross." should have been written at the same time.
Coming along centuries after the fact and making those sorts of claims is pretty obviously fabricated nonsensical claims.
I speak as a Muslim.
Allah Almighty (God Almighty) willed that Jesus symbolizes victory. Jesus met with enmity and was considered a liar, but Allah Almighty gave him miracles that discarded all doubts about him. Jesus came with most clear signs, reviving the dead, healing the born blind and the lepers, etc. As such, Allah meant that Jesus represents absolute victory.
Jesus was not killed. He was raised to heavens, while the one who betrayed him was made to look like him, and was thus crucified.
This is the wisdom behind his supposed coming back in the end times. It means in the end times there will be absolute victory of God, and that means absolute victory of Muhammad and Islam, his religion, peace be upon him and his family. That is not done by the sword. When God wants to crush you, He only needs to say be, and it is.
The purpose of this thread is to give facts about Jesus, or some of his teachings, according to the traditional knowledge in Islam. Feel free to participate.
Logically, any contradictory claims about Jesus should have come alongside the Christian texts. In effect, Islam would have been extant ~600 years before it was founded. Instead of the gospels coming about when then did by themselves, texts claiming "No no, that's wrong. Jesus didn't die on the cross." should have been written at the same time.
Coming along centuries after the fact and making those sorts of claims is pretty obviously fabricated nonsensical claims.
Deltex----you don't get it------the story of jesus in the Koran existed at the
beginning of time-----the KORAN IS ETERNAL-----or at least as old as a
black hole. If you have never read the Koran (first) and then listened
to what muslims SAY about it------you have no right to claim resistence to
psychosis
Read about one-third of the Qur'an before it seemed to start repeating itself and I quit. Have spoken at length with Muslims. I'm quite well briefed.
I speak as a Muslim.
Allah Almighty (God Almighty) willed that Jesus symbolizes victory. Jesus met with enmity and was considered a liar, but Allah Almighty gave him miracles that discarded all doubts about him. Jesus came with most clear signs, reviving the dead, healing the born blind and the lepers, etc. As such, Allah meant that Jesus represents absolute victory.
Jesus was not killed. He was raised to heavens, while the one who betrayed him was made to look like him, and was thus crucified.
This is the wisdom behind his supposed coming back in the end times. It means in the end times there will be absolute victory of God, and that means absolute victory of Muhammad and Islam, his religion, peace be upon him and his family. That is not done by the sword. When God wants to crush you, He only needs to say be, and it is.
The purpose of this thread is to give facts about Jesus, or some of his teachings, according to the traditional knowledge in Islam. Feel free to participate.
Logically, any contradictory claims about Jesus should have come alongside the Christian texts. In effect, Islam would have been extant ~600 years before it was founded. Instead of the gospels coming about when then did by themselves, texts claiming "No no, that's wrong. Jesus didn't die on the cross." should have been written at the same time.
Coming along centuries after the fact and making those sorts of claims is pretty obviously fabricated nonsensical claims.
Deltex----you don't get it------the story of jesus in the Koran existed at the
beginning of time-----the KORAN IS ETERNAL-----or at least as old as a
black hole. If you have never read the Koran (first) and then listened
to what muslims SAY about it------you have no right to claim resistence to
psychosis
Read about one-third of the Qur'an before it seemed to start repeating itself and I quit. Have spoken at length with Muslims. I'm quite well briefed.
You did not read the Qur'an. You read words and sentences.
The Qur'an was called the Qur'an before it was even thought of to make it into a book.
The Qur'an is an ocean of lights. To read the Qur'an means to dive in that ocean of lights. If you do it regularly, you will yourself become a sanctuary of lights, you will become a saint. But if you do not believe the Qur'an is an ocean of lights, then don't think your reading is actually a diving in an ocean of lights.
The Qur'an is not repetitive. Whenever a story is mentioned a second or a third time, it has a second or a third wisdom, and other things that I don't need to mention.
