Jeb Bush Isn't a Conservative?

[thereisnospoon]

That he is not considered so by many just shows how rigidly lock-step the Republican base has become with their check-the-box, unimaginative mentality.

Here are two articles recently about Bush's time as governor. He certainly was never criticized as being "too moderate" when he was governor.

Who s a Conservative Jeb Bush Is About to Find Out - Bloomberg Politics

What Kind of Republican is Bush His Time as Governor Offers Clues - WSJ

My outlook on Jeb Bush is it is likely he shares the same political beliefs of George W. Bush and George HW Bush..Both right leaning populist

 

[thereisnospoon]

I think the problem is how you define Conservative.

If you define conservative as "Making sure the system favors the rich over the working guy, every fucking time", then Jeb is absolutely a conservative.

If you define conservative as "Wanting too keep America White, Straight and Christian and playing on your fears", no, he isn't that guy. he'll probably pretend to be that guy like Romney and McCain did.

A great example is the illegal immigration issue. The True Masters of the Conservative Movement WANT illegal immigration. They want a work force that will work for shit wages in awful conditions. So naturally, Bush is totaly taking the Chamber of Commerce position on it.

Of course, the rank and file who hate gays and Mexicans just like Jesus will have none of this. SO watch for Jeb to stop talking about it pretty soon and hiding his Mexican Wife in a closet somewhere.

Oh please spare us the class envy shit......it's dead. Nobody cares

 

[suplex3000]

That he is not considered so by many just shows how rigidly lock-step the Republican base has become with their check-the-box, unimaginative mentality.

Here are two articles recently about Bush's time as governor. He certainly was never criticized as being "too moderate" when he was governor.

Who s a Conservative Jeb Bush Is About to Find Out - Bloomberg Politics

What Kind of Republican is Bush His Time as Governor Offers Clues - WSJ

Conservative or not it doesn't matter. He is Bush. Bush family started two wars in Iraq. George Bush is one the most stupid world leader in the world history. Does anybody believe that his brother is better?

 

[Stephanie]

That he is not considered so by many just shows how rigidly lock-step the Republican base has become with their check-the-box, unimaginative mentality.

Here are two articles recently about Bush's time as governor. He certainly was never criticized as being "too moderate" when he was governor.

Who s a Conservative Jeb Bush Is About to Find Out - Bloomberg Politics

What Kind of Republican is Bush His Time as Governor Offers Clues - WSJ

Conservative or not it doesn't matter. He is Bush. Bush family started two wars in Iraq. George Bush is one the most stupid world leader in the world history. Does anybody believe that his brother is better?

one of the most? Can you name the others you Classify as the most stupid in the world history?

Obama, Clinton, Carter are they in there?

 

[BULLDOG]

Jeb Bush isn't a Conservative?

Mebbe.

But he does have a thing or two going for him...

Such as... not being Billary, and not being Obumble...

That may be enough...

We'll know, shortly...

More importantly, he needs to not be another shrub. That's probably a little too hard for him to do.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That he is not considered so by many just shows how rigidly lock-step the Republican base has become with their check-the-box, unimaginative mentality.

Here are two articles recently about Bush's time as governor. He certainly was never criticized as being "too moderate" when he was governor.

Who s a Conservative Jeb Bush Is About to Find Out - Bloomberg Politics

What Kind of Republican is Bush His Time as Governor Offers Clues - WSJ

Look at it this way, Hillary and her friends don't know how to attack him. That makes him dangerous. Oh, and for the record, nobody's perfect.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Jeb Bush Isn't a Conservative?"

That depends on what's considered 'conservative.'

It's gotten to the point where most on the right don't even know what 'conservative' means anymore.

 

[bripat9643]

He's a Bush. He's a Statist scumbag and a member of one of the most evil American families since the Mansons

Remember his brother was a "Compassionate" Conservative?

Yeah. Who needs compassion? That's just evil because it might just cost you a few cents out of your tax dollars.

"Compassion" is a euphemism for "spend like there's no tomorrow."

 

[bripat9643]

yeah, there were so few families experiencing generational poverty before FDR and Johnson


REALITY CHECK in Aisle 6!!!

So true. All those photos of poor people from early 20th century were just people in Halloween costumes.

Sure Conservatives are poor students of history. They'll tell us how everybody was prosperous during the Great Depression and how few families continued to live in shacks even after WWII. They'll tell us how even handed every poor or Black citizen has been treated and how no one deserves a helping hand for food, medicine or housing. And today they are trying to turn the word 'compassion' into an epithet.

How do they sleep? Pretty well, I suppose. without a conscience or an outlook that extends beyond their personal well being, one can enjoy the blissful sleep of the ignorant.

It's a simple self serving argument. Conservatives insisting that helping the poor does them more harm than good is nothing more than an attempt to manufacture a conscience-friendy rationale for not helping the poor.

If they were the least bit honest they would say "We're for denying the poor, the elderly and the infirmed any benefits for food, housing and medicine for their own good!"

But, in an insanely contradictory manner, conservatives are the first to boast about how much they give to charity,

which often as not goes to the needy. I guess doing more harm than good is somehow better when it's done voluntarily.

Oh, and all tax money goes to the needy?

You're a special kind of stupid. We call it "liberalism."

 

[Toro]

Seems to me the Bush family is directly responsible for driving up the cost of oil.

Conspiracy threads are in the conspiracy Forum


btw, know what the commodity market is?

Sure, just like there is a Flame Forum for flames and trolls.

Commodity Market, wow, I wonder if you know what power the President of the United States has, or the power of a governor like the state of Florida, of course facts such as Bush banning drilling off the Coast of Florida would effect the Commodity Market, would it not. Or in your tiny mind do you know not see the damage that Republicans cause with their failed Energy Policies.

Dante, you are the problem with the USA, blind-faith and willful ignorance, if I am to be nice.

The Bush family are Democrats at best, big government double talkers.

Hannity falsely suggested only liberals oppose coastal oil drilling Research Media Matters for America

Hannity falsely suggested only "liberals" oppose coastal oil drilling
Research May 6, 2005
Fox News host Sean Hannity falsely suggested that only "liberals" have opposed proposals to drill for oil in United States coastal waters. On the May 5 edition of Hannity & Colmes, Hannity declared that a major "problem" with the U.S. energy supply is that "liberals in this country ... won't allow us to drill off the shores of the coast of California or Florida, the Great Lakes, national parks, designated areas, the 48 states, anywhere." In fact, Republican presidents and governors have also opposed coastal drilling: President George H.W. Bushenacted a moratorium banning coastal drilling, President George W. Bush and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush bothopposed plans to drill off the coast of Florida, and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger opposes coastal drilling in California.

Contrary to Hannity's suggestion that only "liberals" oppose coastal drilling, it was a Republican president who first placed the ban on such drilling still in effect today. The presidential moratorium on coastal drilling, which "applies to virtually all the coasts" was "first imposed by President Bush in June 1990," as CNN.com notedwhen then-President Bill Clinton extended the moratorium on June 12, 1998. The moratorium applies to all "new federal unleased areas" [Los Angeles Times 4/25/05].

Further, the current President Bush blocked coastal drilling in Florida. In 2002, Bush reached a deal to "buy out mineral rights in the cypress swamps of the Everglades and off the white-sand beaches of the Gulf of Mexico" on Florida's coast [The Washington Post, 5/30/02]. The Washington Post reported that the deal "could ... provide a political boost" to the reelection hopes of his brother Jeb, who called the move "good public policy";The New York Times also reported that Gov. Bush acknowledged that it was "likely to help his re-election campaign."

Schwarzenegger has steadfastly opposed coastal drilling in California; in an April 4 letter to members of Congress, "California Resources Secretary Mike Chrisman said the state is against 'any effort to lift the congressional moratorium on offshore oil and gas leasing activities'" [Los Angeles Times, 4/25/05].

The Bush administration has flip-flopped on protecting California's coastal areas from drilling. After

Many conservatives don't want offshore drilling in Florida either. The BP disaster is why.

 

[gipper]

Seems to me the Bush family is directly responsible for driving up the cost of oil.

Conspiracy threads are in the conspiracy Forum


btw, know what the commodity market is?

Sure, just like there is a Flame Forum for flames and trolls.

Commodity Market, wow, I wonder if you know what power the President of the United States has, or the power of a governor like the state of Florida, of course facts such as Bush banning drilling off the Coast of Florida would effect the Commodity Market, would it not. Or in your tiny mind do you know not see the damage that Republicans cause with their failed Energy Policies.

Dante, you are the problem with the USA, blind-faith and willful ignorance, if I am to be nice.

The Bush family are Democrats at best, big government double talkers.

Hannity falsely suggested only liberals oppose coastal oil drilling Research Media Matters for America

Hannity falsely suggested only "liberals" oppose coastal oil drilling
Research May 6, 2005
Fox News host Sean Hannity falsely suggested that only "liberals" have opposed proposals to drill for oil in United States coastal waters. On the May 5 edition of Hannity & Colmes, Hannity declared that a major "problem" with the U.S. energy supply is that "liberals in this country ... won't allow us to drill off the shores of the coast of California or Florida, the Great Lakes, national parks, designated areas, the 48 states, anywhere." In fact, Republican presidents and governors have also opposed coastal drilling: President George H.W. Bushenacted a moratorium banning coastal drilling, President George W. Bush and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush bothopposed plans to drill off the coast of Florida, and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger opposes coastal drilling in California.

Contrary to Hannity's suggestion that only "liberals" oppose coastal drilling, it was a Republican president who first placed the ban on such drilling still in effect today. The presidential moratorium on coastal drilling, which "applies to virtually all the coasts" was "first imposed by President Bush in June 1990," as CNN.com notedwhen then-President Bill Clinton extended the moratorium on June 12, 1998. The moratorium applies to all "new federal unleased areas" [Los Angeles Times 4/25/05].

Further, the current President Bush blocked coastal drilling in Florida. In 2002, Bush reached a deal to "buy out mineral rights in the cypress swamps of the Everglades and off the white-sand beaches of the Gulf of Mexico" on Florida's coast [The Washington Post, 5/30/02]. The Washington Post reported that the deal "could ... provide a political boost" to the reelection hopes of his brother Jeb, who called the move "good public policy";The New York Times also reported that Gov. Bush acknowledged that it was "likely to help his re-election campaign."

Schwarzenegger has steadfastly opposed coastal drilling in California; in an April 4 letter to members of Congress, "California Resources Secretary Mike Chrisman said the state is against 'any effort to lift the congressional moratorium on offshore oil and gas leasing activities'" [Los Angeles Times, 4/25/05].

The Bush administration has flip-flopped on protecting California's coastal areas from drilling. After

Many conservatives don't want offshore drilling in Florida either. The BP disaster is why.

Applying your logic...offshore drilling should be eliminated entirely, because a disaster might occur.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So true. All those photos of poor people from early 20th century were just people in Halloween costumes.

Sure Conservatives are poor students of history. They'll tell us how everybody was prosperous during the Great Depression and how few families continued to live in shacks even after WWII. They'll tell us how even handed every poor or Black citizen has been treated and how no one deserves a helping hand for food, medicine or housing. And today they are trying to turn the word 'compassion' into an epithet.

How do they sleep? Pretty well, I suppose. without a conscience or an outlook that extends beyond their personal well being, one can enjoy the blissful sleep of the ignorant.

It's a simple self serving argument. Conservatives insisting that helping the poor does them more harm than good is nothing more than an attempt to manufacture a conscience-friendy rationale for not helping the poor.

If they were the least bit honest they would say "We're for denying the poor, the elderly and the infirmed any benefits for food, housing and medicine for their own good!"

But, in an insanely contradictory manner, conservatives are the first to boast about how much they give to charity,

which often as not goes to the needy. I guess doing more harm than good is somehow better when it's done voluntarily.

Oh, and all tax money goes to the needy?

You're a special kind of stupid. We call it "liberalism."

Try to make your posts at least sort of relate to the post you're responding to.

 

[bripat9643]

Sure Conservatives are poor students of history. They'll tell us how everybody was prosperous during the Great Depression and how few families continued to live in shacks even after WWII. They'll tell us how even handed every poor or Black citizen has been treated and how no one deserves a helping hand for food, medicine or housing. And today they are trying to turn the word 'compassion' into an epithet.

How do they sleep? Pretty well, I suppose. without a conscience or an outlook that extends beyond their personal well being, one can enjoy the blissful sleep of the ignorant.

It's a simple self serving argument. Conservatives insisting that helping the poor does them more harm than good is nothing more than an attempt to manufacture a conscience-friendy rationale for not helping the poor.

If they were the least bit honest they would say "We're for denying the poor, the elderly and the infirmed any benefits for food, housing and medicine for their own good!"

But, in an insanely contradictory manner, conservatives are the first to boast about how much they give to charity,

which often as not goes to the needy. I guess doing more harm than good is somehow better when it's done voluntarily.

Oh, and all tax money goes to the needy?

You're a special kind of stupid. We call it "liberalism."

Try to make your posts at least sort of relate to the post you're responding to.

It did relate to your post. You would have known that if your brain was capable of rational thought.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That he is not considered so by many just shows how rigidly lock-step the Republican base has become with their check-the-box, unimaginative mentality.

Here are two articles recently about Bush's time as governor. He certainly was never criticized as being "too moderate" when he was governor.

Who s a Conservative Jeb Bush Is About to Find Out - Bloomberg Politics

What Kind of Republican is Bush His Time as Governor Offers Clues - WSJ

He's a Bush, so by definition he's a Statist and will only hasten America's slide toward European Socialism.

My opinion is that the entire family is evil: his Dad was CIA Director and tried to assassinate Reagan for not playing ball with the Establishment and Dubya took a "terrorist attack" and turned American into a police state. Jeb? Really? How fucking stupid do you have to be to think anything good can come of another Bush Presidency?

 

[Votto]

That he is not considered so by many just shows how rigidly lock-step the Republican base has become with their check-the-box, unimaginative mentality.

Here are two articles recently about Bush's time as governor. He certainly was never criticized as being "too moderate" when he was governor.

Who s a Conservative Jeb Bush Is About to Find Out - Bloomberg Politics

What Kind of Republican is Bush His Time as Governor Offers Clues - WSJ

He's a Bush, so by definition he's a Statist and will only hasten America's slide toward European Socialism.

My opinion is that the entire family is evil: his Dad was CIA Director and tried to assassinate Reagan for not playing ball with the Establishment and Dubya took a "terrorist attack" and turned American into a police state. Jeb? Really? How fucking stupid do you have to be to think anything good can come of another Bush Presidency?

Frank, if their last name is not Clinton or Bush how will people know who to vote for?

After all, public education and common core have reinforced "stranger danger" to our citizens abroad.

 

[Toro]

Seems to me the Bush family is directly responsible for driving up the cost of oil.

Conspiracy threads are in the conspiracy Forum


btw, know what the commodity market is?

Sure, just like there is a Flame Forum for flames and trolls.

Commodity Market, wow, I wonder if you know what power the President of the United States has, or the power of a governor like the state of Florida, of course facts such as Bush banning drilling off the Coast of Florida would effect the Commodity Market, would it not. Or in your tiny mind do you know not see the damage that Republicans cause with their failed Energy Policies.

Dante, you are the problem with the USA, blind-faith and willful ignorance, if I am to be nice.

The Bush family are Democrats at best, big government double talkers.

Hannity falsely suggested only liberals oppose coastal oil drilling Research Media Matters for America

Hannity falsely suggested only "liberals" oppose coastal oil drilling
Research May 6, 2005
Fox News host Sean Hannity falsely suggested that only "liberals" have opposed proposals to drill for oil in United States coastal waters. On the May 5 edition of Hannity & Colmes, Hannity declared that a major "problem" with the U.S. energy supply is that "liberals in this country ... won't allow us to drill off the shores of the coast of California or Florida, the Great Lakes, national parks, designated areas, the 48 states, anywhere." In fact, Republican presidents and governors have also opposed coastal drilling: President George H.W. Bushenacted a moratorium banning coastal drilling, President George W. Bush and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush bothopposed plans to drill off the coast of Florida, and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger opposes coastal drilling in California.

Contrary to Hannity's suggestion that only "liberals" oppose coastal drilling, it was a Republican president who first placed the ban on such drilling still in effect today. The presidential moratorium on coastal drilling, which "applies to virtually all the coasts" was "first imposed by President Bush in June 1990," as CNN.com notedwhen then-President Bill Clinton extended the moratorium on June 12, 1998. The moratorium applies to all "new federal unleased areas" [Los Angeles Times 4/25/05].

Further, the current President Bush blocked coastal drilling in Florida. In 2002, Bush reached a deal to "buy out mineral rights in the cypress swamps of the Everglades and off the white-sand beaches of the Gulf of Mexico" on Florida's coast [The Washington Post, 5/30/02]. The Washington Post reported that the deal "could ... provide a political boost" to the reelection hopes of his brother Jeb, who called the move "good public policy";The New York Times also reported that Gov. Bush acknowledged that it was "likely to help his re-election campaign."

Schwarzenegger has steadfastly opposed coastal drilling in California; in an April 4 letter to members of Congress, "California Resources Secretary Mike Chrisman said the state is against 'any effort to lift the congressional moratorium on offshore oil and gas leasing activities'" [Los Angeles Times, 4/25/05].

The Bush administration has flip-flopped on protecting California's coastal areas from drilling. After

Many conservatives don't want offshore drilling in Florida either. The BP disaster is why.

Applying your logic...offshore drilling should be eliminated entirely, because a disaster might occur.

That is wrong.

The primary driver of the economy in Florida is tourism. Oil spills don't mix well with beautiful white sand beaches and azure waters of the Florida coast. Many conservative business people understand and oppose offshore drilling for this reason. I have a property near where the tar came onto the beach. Many small businesses went under due to BP. BP is still personae non grata in parts around here.

 

[Toro]

That he is not considered so by many just shows how rigidly lock-step the Republican base has become with their check-the-box, unimaginative mentality.

Here are two articles recently about Bush's time as governor. He certainly was never criticized as being "too moderate" when he was governor.

Who s a Conservative Jeb Bush Is About to Find Out - Bloomberg Politics

What Kind of Republican is Bush His Time as Governor Offers Clues - WSJ

He's a Bush, so by definition he's a Statist and will only hasten America's slide toward European Socialism.

My opinion is that the entire family is evil: his Dad was CIA Director and tried to assassinate Reagan for not playing ball with the Establishment and Dubya took a "terrorist attack" and turned American into a police state. Jeb? Really? How fucking stupid do you have to be to think anything good can come of another Bush Presidency?

That's pretty nutty, Frank.

 

[gipper]

Seems to me the Bush family is directly responsible for driving up the cost of oil.

Conspiracy threads are in the conspiracy Forum


btw, know what the commodity market is?

Sure, just like there is a Flame Forum for flames and trolls.

Commodity Market, wow, I wonder if you know what power the President of the United States has, or the power of a governor like the state of Florida, of course facts such as Bush banning drilling off the Coast of Florida would effect the Commodity Market, would it not. Or in your tiny mind do you know not see the damage that Republicans cause with their failed Energy Policies.

Dante, you are the problem with the USA, blind-faith and willful ignorance, if I am to be nice.

The Bush family are Democrats at best, big government double talkers.

Hannity falsely suggested only liberals oppose coastal oil drilling Research Media Matters for America

Hannity falsely suggested only "liberals" oppose coastal oil drilling
Research May 6, 2005
Fox News host Sean Hannity falsely suggested that only "liberals" have opposed proposals to drill for oil in United States coastal waters. On the May 5 edition of Hannity & Colmes, Hannity declared that a major "problem" with the U.S. energy supply is that "liberals in this country ... won't allow us to drill off the shores of the coast of California or Florida, the Great Lakes, national parks, designated areas, the 48 states, anywhere." In fact, Republican presidents and governors have also opposed coastal drilling: President George H.W. Bushenacted a moratorium banning coastal drilling, President George W. Bush and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush bothopposed plans to drill off the coast of Florida, and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger opposes coastal drilling in California.

Contrary to Hannity's suggestion that only "liberals" oppose coastal drilling, it was a Republican president who first placed the ban on such drilling still in effect today. The presidential moratorium on coastal drilling, which "applies to virtually all the coasts" was "first imposed by President Bush in June 1990," as CNN.com notedwhen then-President Bill Clinton extended the moratorium on June 12, 1998. The moratorium applies to all "new federal unleased areas" [Los Angeles Times 4/25/05].

Further, the current President Bush blocked coastal drilling in Florida. In 2002, Bush reached a deal to "buy out mineral rights in the cypress swamps of the Everglades and off the white-sand beaches of the Gulf of Mexico" on Florida's coast [The Washington Post, 5/30/02]. The Washington Post reported that the deal "could ... provide a political boost" to the reelection hopes of his brother Jeb, who called the move "good public policy";The New York Times also reported that Gov. Bush acknowledged that it was "likely to help his re-election campaign."

Schwarzenegger has steadfastly opposed coastal drilling in California; in an April 4 letter to members of Congress, "California Resources Secretary Mike Chrisman said the state is against 'any effort to lift the congressional moratorium on offshore oil and gas leasing activities'" [Los Angeles Times, 4/25/05].

The Bush administration has flip-flopped on protecting California's coastal areas from drilling. After

Many conservatives don't want offshore drilling in Florida either. The BP disaster is why.

Applying your logic...offshore drilling should be eliminated entirely, because a disaster might occur.

That is wrong.

The primary driver of the economy in Florida is tourism. Oil spills don't mix well with beautiful white sand beaches and azure waters of the Florida coast. Many conservative business people understand and oppose offshore drilling for this reason. I have a property near where the tar came onto the beach. Many small businesses went under due to BP. BP is still personae non grata in parts around here.

Okay then...again according to your logic, all offshore drilling should be terminated.

 

[gipper]

That he is not considered so by many just shows how rigidly lock-step the Republican base has become with their check-the-box, unimaginative mentality.

Here are two articles recently about Bush's time as governor. He certainly was never criticized as being "too moderate" when he was governor.

Who s a Conservative Jeb Bush Is About to Find Out - Bloomberg Politics

What Kind of Republican is Bush His Time as Governor Offers Clues - WSJ

He's a Bush, so by definition he's a Statist and will only hasten America's slide toward European Socialism.

My opinion is that the entire family is evil: his Dad was CIA Director and tried to assassinate Reagan for not playing ball with the Establishment and Dubya took a "terrorist attack" and turned American into a police state. Jeb? Really? How fucking stupid do you have to be to think anything good can come of another Bush Presidency?

That's pretty nutty, Frank.

Not nutty, but entirely well reasoned.

 

[Toro]

That he is not considered so by many just shows how rigidly lock-step the Republican base has become with their check-the-box, unimaginative mentality.

Here are two articles recently about Bush's time as governor. He certainly was never criticized as being "too moderate" when he was governor.

Who s a Conservative Jeb Bush Is About to Find Out - Bloomberg Politics

What Kind of Republican is Bush His Time as Governor Offers Clues - WSJ

He's a Bush, so by definition he's a Statist and will only hasten America's slide toward European Socialism.

My opinion is that the entire family is evil: his Dad was CIA Director and tried to assassinate Reagan for not playing ball with the Establishment and Dubya took a "terrorist attack" and turned American into a police state. Jeb? Really? How fucking stupid do you have to be to think anything good can come of another Bush Presidency?

That's pretty nutty, Frank.

Not nutty, but entirely well reasoned.

To you, I'm sure it is.