It's time republicans faced the truth the rest of us know

Okay, let me help you out, Jim Crow (a character in an 1828 dance) represents laws that were passed starting in 1876 and lasting through 1965. I wasn't even alive in 1965, and we aren't living in the past. To the best of my understanding, there is nothing about your race or my race that makes either one of us superior. In other words, you aren't telling me something that is up for debate (it's history and it happened). But, if you want to suggest that writing laws that forbid anything and specifically involve race today, they are not going to be against African Americans. If you want to be anything other than equal, tell me what I owe you because you are black.
Why do you believe that I think you owe me anything solely because I'm black? The problems that we face today is that many of the civil rights laws are still being violated. For example, the EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) has an rather extensive list of actions it has taken over the last 5 years or so and the offenses aren't much different than what has always been the problem:

E-RACE AND OTHER EEOC INITIATIVES
Systemic
  • In December 2017, Laquila Group Inc., a Brooklyn-based construction company, paid $625,000 into a class settlement fund and took measures to eliminate race bias and retaliation against black construction laborers. In its lawsuit, EEOC alleged that Laquila engaged in systemic discrimination against black employees as a class by subjecting them to racial harassment, including referring to them using the N-word, "gorilla," and similar epithets. The Commission also alleged that the company fired an employee who complained about the harassment. The consent decree also requires Laquila to set up a hotline for employees to report illegal discrimination, provide anti-discrimination training to its managers, adopt revised anti-discrimination policies and employee complaint procedures and report all worker harassment and retaliation complaints to the EEOC for the 42-month duration of the agreement. EEOC v. The Laquila Grp., Inc., No. 1:16-cv-05194 (E.D.N.Y. consent decree approved Dec. 1, 2017).

  • In November 2017, after an extensive five-year, complicated systemic investigation and settlement efforts, the EEOC reached an agreement with Lone Star Community College covering recruitment, hiring and mentoring of African-American and Hispanic applicants and employees. The terms of the agreement were designed to enhance the College's commitment to the recruitment of African-American and Hispanics and to engage in meaningful monitoring of the College's efforts to reach its recruitment and hiring goals. The agreement included some novel relief, such as: implementation of a new applicant tracking system; establishing an advisory committee focused on the recruitment, development and retention of minority groups; hiring of recruitment firms; developing new interview protocol training; establishing a mentoring program for recently hired minority employees; and updating job descriptions for all college manager positions to require as a job component the diversity of its workforce.

  • In August 2017, Ford Motor Company agreed to pay nearly $10.125 million to settle sex and race harassment investigation by the EEOC at two Ford plants in Chicago area. In its investigation, the EEOC found reasonable cause to believe that personnel at two Ford facilities in the Chicago area, the Chicago Assembly Plant and the Chicago Stamping Plant, had subjected female and African-American employees to sexual and racial harassment. The EEOC also found that the company retaliated against employees who complained about the harassment or discrimination. In addition to the monetary relief, the conciliation agreement provides ensures that during the next five years, Ford will conduct regular training at the two Chicago-area facilities; continue to disseminate its anti-harassment and anti-discrimination policies and procedures to employees and new hires; report to EEOC regarding complaints of harassment and/or related discrimination; and monitor its workforce regarding issues of alleged sexual or racial harassment and related discrimination.

  • In July 2017, Bass Pro Outdoor World LLC agreed, without admitting wrongdoing, to pay $10.5 million to a class of African-American and Hispanic workers the EEOC alleged it discriminated against by failing to hire because of their race and/or national origin in violation of Title VII. According to the consent decree, Bass Pro will engage in good faith efforts to increase diversity by reaching out to minority colleges and technical schools, participating in job fairs in communities with large minority populations and post job openings in publications popular among Black and Hispanic communities. Additionally, every six months for the next 42 months, Bass Pro is to report to the EEOC its hiring rates on a store-by-store basis. EEOC v. Bass Pro Outdoor World LLC, Case No. 4:11-cv-03425 (S.D. Tex. consent decree filed July 24, 2017).

  • In June 2017, the EEOC investigated a restaurant operating over 100 facilities in the Eastern U.S. involving issues of hiring discrimination against African Americans. The restaurant agreed to pay $9.6 million to class members as part of a conciliation agreement. Additionally, the restaurant will overhaul its hiring procedures and has agreed to institute practices aimed at meeting hiring targets consistent with the labor market in each of the locations in which it has facilities. The new hiring procedures include implementation of an extensive applicant tracking system that will better enable the EEOC and the company to assess whether the company is meeting the targeted hiring levels. The restaurant will also provide an annual report to EEOC detailing the company's efforts in complying with the agreement and its objectives over the term of the five-year agreement, including detailed hiring assessments for each facility covered by the agreement.

  • In May 2017, Rosebud Restaurants agreed to pay $1.9 million to resolve a race discrimination lawsuit brought by the EEOC against 13 restaurants in the Chicago area. The chain was charged with refusing to hire African-American applicants and having managers who used racial slurs to refer to African-Americans. The monetary award will be paid to African-American applicants who were denied jobs. Pursuant to a consent decree, the chain also agreed to hiring goals with the aim of having 11 percent of its future workforce be African American. Rosebud is also required to recruit African-American applicants as well as train employees and managers about race discrimination. EEOC v. Rosebud Rest., No. 1:13-cv-06656 (N.D. Ill. May 30, 2017).
  • In December 2016, Crothall Services Group, Inc., a nationwide provider of janitorial and facilities management services, settled an EEOC lawsuit by adopting significant changes to its record-keeping practices related to the use of criminal background checks. According to the EEOC's complaint, Crothall used criminal background checks to make hiring decisions without making and keeping required records that disclose the impact criminal history assessments have on persons identifiable by race, sex, or ethnic group, a violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1965. EEOC v. Crothall Servs. Group, Inc., Civil Action No. 2:15-cv-03812-AB (E.D. Pa. Dec. 16, 2016).

  • In August 2016, a magistrate judge reaffirmed that "African" has long been recognized as an acceptable class entitled to protection under Title VII. The EEOC alleged that the Defendants, a health care management system and nursing home discriminated against African employees, specifically employees from Ethiopia and Sudan, when it terminated four personal care providers all on the same day, allegedly for failing to pass a newly instituted written exam. The EEOC brought disparate impact and treatment claims based on race and national origin, and a retaliation claim for a white supervisor who stood up for the African workers and was fired several months before the test was instituted. Defendants moved for dismissal arguing (1) Africa is not a nation and so cannot serve as the basis of a national origin claim, (2) EEOC failed to allege any shared cultural or linguistic characteristics between the aggrieved individuals so they could not constitute a protected class; and (3) the EEOC's retaliation claim must be dismissed because EEOC failed to allege protected activity or the Defendants had knowledge of the white supervisor's motivations. The Magistrate Judge recommended that the motion be denied in total. EEOC v. Columbine Health Sys. & New Mercer Commons, Civ. Action No. 15-cv-01597-MSK-CBS (D. Colo. Aug. 19, 2016).

  • In June 2016, the EEOC obtained a $350,000 settlement in its race discrimination lawsuit against defendant FAPS, Inc., a company located at Port Newark, N.J., involved in the processing for final sale of shipped automobiles. In this case, the Commission alleged that the company engaged in a pattern-or-practice of race discrimination by relying on word-of-mouth hiring which resulted in a predominantly white workforce despite the substantial African-American available workforce in the Newark area. The agency further alleged that FAPS refused to hire qualified African-American candidates, including by telling them that no positions were available when in fact FAPS was hiring. Finally, the EEOC alleged that FAPS' employment application contained improper pre-employment medical inquiries in violation of the ADA. Besides the monetary compensation, the five year consent decree requires FAPS to meet substantial hiring goals for African-Americans; give hiring priority to rejected class members who are interested in working at the company; use recruiting methods designed to increase the African-American applicant pool; and hire an EEO coordinator to ensure compliance with Title VII. EEOC v. FAPS, Inc., C.A. No. No. 2:10-cv-03095 (D.N.J. June 15, 2016).

  • In April 2015, Local 25 of the Sheet Metal Workers' International Association and its associated apprenticeship school agreed to create a back pay fund for a group of minority sheet metal workers in partial settlement of race discrimination claims against the local union. Pursuant to the settlement, it is estimated that the union will pay approximately $12.7 million over the next five years and provide substantial remedial relief to partially resolve claims made against the union in 1991-2002. The trade union, which is responsible for sheet metal journeypersons in northern New Jersey, allegedly discriminated against black and Hispanic journeypersons over a multi-year period in hiring and job assignments. An analysis of hours and wages showed African-American and Hispanic workers received fewer hours of work than their white co-workers during most of this same timeframe. This particular agreement covers from April 1991 through December 2002. EEOC v. Local 28 of the Sheet Metal Workers' Int'l Ass'n, Case No. 71 Civ. 2887 (LAK) (S.D.N.Y. April 2, 2015).

  • In December 2015, Hillshire Brands (formerly known as Sara Lee Corporation) agreed to pay $4 million to 74 workers at the now-shuttered Paris, Texas, plant, including the dozens of people who sought EEOC charges against Hillshire and other aggrieved workers identified by the EEOC and the plaintiffs. This resolution settles claims that the company subjected a class of Black employees to a hostile work environment that included racist graffiti and comments, that included the N-word and "boy." The company also agreed to implement training at all of its plants in a bid to end consolidated suits from the EEOC and former worker Stanley Beaty. The consent decree also requires Hillshire to implement anti-racism training and create a mechanism for employees at its existing plants to confidentially report instances of harassment, discrimination and retaliation. The settlement also requires Hillshire to designate one employee to serve as a point-of-contact for those who feel they've been treated improperly and to punish workers with suspensions and even termination who are found "by reasonable evidence" to have engaged in racial bias or behavior related to it. EEOC v. Hillshire Brands Co. f/k/a Sara Lee Corp., No. 2:15-cv-01347 (E.D. Tex. consent decree filed 12/18/15) and Beaty et al v. The Hillshire Brands Co. et al., No. 2:14-cv-00058 (E.D. Tex. consent decree filed 12/18/15).

  • In October 2015, a federal judge held that the operators of an Indianapolis Hampton Inn in contempt for failing to comply with five different conditions settling the EEOC's class race discrimination and retaliation lawsuit against the companies. The judge faulted Noble Management LLC and New Indianapolis Hotels for failing to: (1) properly post notices; (2) properly train management employees; (3) keep employment records; (4) institute a new hiring procedure for housekeeping employees; and (5) reinstate three former housekeeping employees. The judge also faulted Noble and New Indianapolis Hotels for comingling of medical records in employee personnel files. As background, the EEOC filed suit against operators New Indianapolis Hotels LLC and Noble Management LLC in September 2010, alleging that their Hampton Inn fired African-American housekeepers because of their race and in retaliation for complaints about race discrimination. The agency also charged that the hotel paid lower wages to Black housekeepers, excluded Black housekeeping applicants on a systemic basis, and failed to maintain records required by law in violation of Title VII. In September 2012, the judge entered a five-year consent decree resolving the EEOC's litigation against the hotel operators. The decree provided $355,000 in monetary relief to approximately 75 African-American former housekeeping employees and applicants and required training, notice posting, reinstatement of three former housekeeping employees, a new hiring procedure for housekeeping employees and ordered that the defendants maintain employment-related records. The court also enjoined the operators from race discrimination and retaliation in the future. In March 2014, following the filing of the EEOC's contempt motion, Judge Lawrence ruled that the defendants violated the terms of the 2012 decree and ordered Defendants to pay more than $50,000 in back wages to the three former housekeepers whose reinstatement was delayed. Defendants were also ordered to: (1) provide monthly reporting to the EEOC on compliance with the new hiring procedure, recordkeeping and posting; (2) pay fines for late reporting; (3) allow random inspections by the EEOC subject to a fine, for failure to grant access; (4) pay fines for failure to post, destroying records or failing to distribute employment applications; (5) provide EEOC with any requested employment records within 15 days of a request; (6) cease comingling medical records; and (7) train management employees. The posting and training provisions of the Decree were also extended by two years. In November 2015, the judge awarded $50,515 in fees and $6,733.76 in costs to the EEOC because the "Defendants willfully violated the explicit terms of the Consent Decree and repeatedly failed to comply with it [.]" EEOC v. New Indianapolis Hotels LLC and Noble Management LLC, C.A. No. 1:10-CV-01234-WTL-DKL (N.D. Ind. Nov. 9, 2015) (fee ruling).

  • In September 2015, BMW Manufacturing Co. settled for $1.6 million and other relief an EEOC lawsuit alleging that the company's criminal background check policy disproportionately affects black logistics workers at a South Carolina plant. Specifically, the EEOC alleged that after learning the results of the criminal background checks around July 2008, BMW denied plant access to 88 logistics employees, resulting in their termination from the previous logistics provider and denial of hire by the new logistics services provider for work at BMW. Of those 88 employees, 70 were Black. Some of the logistics employees had been employed at BMW for several years, working for the various logistics services providers utilized by BMW since the opening of the plant in 1994. Under the terms of a consent decree signed by Judge Henry M. Herlong of the U.S. District Court for the District of South Carolina, the $1.6 million will be shared by 56 known claimants and other black applicants the EEOC said were shut out of BMW's Spartanburg, S.C., plant when the company switched to a new logistics contractor. In addition to the monetary relief, the company will provide each claimant who wishes to return to the facility an opportunity to apply for a logistics position. BMW will also notify other applicants who have previously expressed interest in a logistics position at the facility of their right to apply for work, the decree states. BMW has implemented a new criminal background check policy and will continue to operate under that policy throughout the three-year term of the decree. The company is expressly enjoined from "utilizing the criminal background check guidelines" challenged by the EEOC in its lawsuit, the decree states. The agreement also imposes on BMW notice-posting, training, record-keeping, reporting and other requirements. EEOC v. BMW Mfg. Co., No. 7:13-cv-01583 (D.S.C. consent decree filed Sep. 8, 2015).

  • In August 2015, Target Corp. settled for $2.8 million an EEOC charge that the retailer's former tests for hiring for professional jobs discriminated against applicants based on race, sex and disability. Three assessments used by Target disproportionately screened out female and racial minority applicants, and a separate psychological assessment was a pre-employment medical examination that violated the Americans with Disabilities Act, the EEOC had charged. Target also violated Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act by failing to maintain the records sufficient to gauge the impact of its hiring procedures. Under the three-year conciliation agreement, reached before any lawsuit was filed, Target has discontinued the use of the tests and made changes to its applicant tracking system, the EEOC said. About 4,500 unsuccessful applicants affected by the alleged discriminatory tests now are eligible to file claims for monetary relief.

  • In March 2015, a Texas-based oil and gas drilling company agreed to settle for $12.26 million the EEOC's lawsuit alleging discrimination, harassment and retaliation against racial minorities nationwide. According to a complaint filed by the EEOC the same day as the proposed decree, Patterson-UTI had engaged in patterns or practices of hostile work environment harassment, disparate treatment discrimination and retaliation against Hispanic, Latino, Black, American Indian, Asian, Pacific Islander and other minority workers at its facilities in Colorado and other states. Under the proposed four-year consent decree, the drilling company also will create a new vice president position to be filled by a "qualified EEO professional" who will facilitate, monitor and report on the company's compliance with certain training, management evaluation, minority outreach, and other remedial measures. EEOC v. Patterson-UTI Drilling Co., No. 1:15-cv-00600 (D. Colo. consent decree filed Mar. 24, 2015).

  • In January 2015, Skanska USA Building, Inc., a building contractor headquartered in Parsippany, N.J., paid $95,000 to settle a racial harassment and retaliation lawsuit brought by the EEOC. According to the EEOC's suit, Skanska violated federal law by allowing workers to subject a class of Black employees who were working as buck hoist operators to racial harassment, and by firing them for complaining to Skanska about the misconduct. Skanska served as the general contractor on the Methodist Le Bonheur Children's Hospital in Memphis, where the incidents in this lawsuit took place. The class of Black employees worked for C-1, Inc. Construction Company, a minority-owned subcontractor for Skanska. Skanska awarded a subcontract to C-1 to provide buck hoist operations for the construction site and thereafter supervised all C-1 employees while at the work site. The EEOC charged that Skanska failed to properly investigate complaints from the buck hoist operators that white employees subjected them to racially offensive comments and physical assault. EEOC v. Shanska USA Building, Inc., No. 2:10-cv-02717 (W.D. Tenn. Jan. 29, 2015).

  • In December 2014, two Memphis-based affiliates of Select Staffing, employment companies doing business in Tennessee, agreed to pay $580,000 to settle allegations they engaged in race and national origin discrimination. The EEOC's lawsuit charged that the staffing firms had discriminated against four Black temporary employees and a class of Black and non-Hispanic job applicants by failing to place or refer them for employment. The four temporary employees said while seeking employment through the company's Memphis area facilities, they witnessed Hispanic applicants getting preferential treatment in hiring and placement. EEOC v. New Koosharem Corp., No. 2:13-cv-2761 (W.D. Tenn. consent decree filed Dec. 5, 2014).

  • In December 2014, three related well-servicing companies agreed to pay $1.2 million to settle allegations by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission of verbal abuse of minority employees. The EEOC complaint alleged that J&R employees regularly used racial slurs to refer to Black, Hispanic and Native American employees. Employees of these racial groups on company rigs regularly heard racist terms and demeaning remarks about green cards and deportation, the EEOC complaint said. Several individuals complained to management, but their complaints were minimized or ignored, the complaint alleged. For example, an area supervisor responded to employee complaints by telling the complainants they could quit or by saying that he was sick of everyone coming to him and that everyone simply needed to do their jobs. In addition, the complaint stated that several men were demoted or fired after taking their complaints of discrimination to the Wyoming Department of Workforce Services' Labor Standards Division. EEOC v. Dart Energy Corp., No. 13-cv-00198 (D. Wyo. consent decree filed Dec. 1, 2014).

  • In November 2014, a Rockville, Md.-based environmental remediation services contractor paid $415,000 and provide various other relief to settle a class lawsuit alleging that the company engaged in a pattern or practice of race and sex discrimination in its recruitment and hiring of field laborers. Under a three-year consent decree signed Nov. 10 by Judge Paul W. Grimm of the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland, ACM Services Inc. will pay a combined $110,000 to the two Hispanic female workers who first brought the allegations to the EEOC's attention and will establish a class fund of $305,000 for other potential claimants to be identified by the agency. According to the EEOC, the company has relied exclusively on "word-of-mouth recruitment practices" for field laborer positions, with the intent and effect of restricting the recruitment of Black and female applicants. ACM also subjected the two charging parties to harassment based on sex, national origin and race, and it retaliated against them for opposing the mistreatment-and against one of them based on her association with Black people-by firing them, the commission alleged. The agreement applies to all ACM facilities and locations nationwide and has extra-territorial application to the extent permitted by Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. In addition to the monetary relief, the decree requires the company to set numerical hiring goals for its field laborer positions, recruit Black and female applicants via print and Internet advertisements and report to the EEOC regarding its attainment of the numerical hiring goals and other settlement terms. EEOC v. ACM Servs., Inc., No. 8:14-cv-02997 (D. Md. consent decree filed Nov. 10, 2014).

  • In November 2014, Battaglia Distributing Corporation paid $735,000 to a group of current and former African-American employees. In this case, the EEOC alleged that the Battaglia tolerated an egregious race-based hostile work environment, requiring African-American dock workers to endure harassment that included racial slurs (including the "N" word). Among other relief provided under the decree, Battaglia also will provide its managers with training on Title VII and report regularly to the EEOC on any complaints it has received, as well as provide other data to demonstrate that it has not retaliated against any of the participants in the litigation. EEOC v. Battaglia Distrib. Corp., No. 13-cv-5789 (N.D. Ill. consent decree entered Nov. 10, 2014).
 
Gassing Jews wasn't murder in Nazi Germany either. May God have mercy on our souls.
Gassing the Jewish people was genocide, terminating a pregnacy is not nor is it comparable.
I have no problem with birth control. Most birth control is prevention of a pregnancy, not killing a developing baby. But there is a big difference from keeping an ovum from fertilizing and ripping a fetus apart limb from limb and sucking it out of its mother's womb. And don't be fooled, that's exactly what happens in an abortion.
And no one is forcing you to have an abortion, however you have no say so in whether or not anyone else has one. And to try to interfer with a woman's right to do so or harass her for having done so is a federal crime
 
Why do you believe that I think you owe me anything solely because I'm black?

I don't, and you could have stopped with that as far as I am concerned. The EEOC doesn't influence how I view your race or anyone else's. No matter what the EEOC, you or the government thinks, I am going to hire the best person I find to complete the job I require of them regardless of race. If someone doesn't like my decision, they can take me to court over their insecurities. Bringing racial issues into my workplace, when it has nothing to do with the job I require, will get you fired, no matter if you are black or white.
 
It is not credible that you believe that expressing concern over one atrocity means you don't care about another.

Also, it is fairly sad that you cannot make the mental leap that someone different than you, obviously with different operating assumptions might reach different conclusions that you.


To be clear, it is pathetic that you cannot see that a Pro-lifer would see mass abortions as a genocide, so you calling that a lie, was either very stupid of you, or a lie.
Correll I have told you before to stop addressing me personally, I have made it clear to you that I don't want to communciate with you and your insistenance on referring to me as a piece of shit among other things will not be tolerated. So this is your final notice, cease & desist communicating with or about me. Not on this thread or anywhere else on U.S. Message Board or utilizing any other form of communication.
 
The EEOC doesn't influence how I view your race or anyone else's. No matter what the EEOC, you or the government thinks, I am going to hire the best person I find to complete the job I require of them regardless of race. If someone doesn't like my decision, they can take me to court over their insecurities. Bringing racial issues into my workplace, when it has nothing to do with the job I require, will get you fired, no matter if you are black or white.
There have always been people who figure, my company my rules, I can do whatever I want and for approximately 175 years there have been no repercussions. Things have changed, people have gone to court to enforce their employment rights and that's one of the inequalities that require resources and attention.
 
It is not credible that you believe that expressing concern over one atrocity means you don't care about another.

Also, it is fairly sad that you cannot make the mental leap that someone different than you, obviously with different operating assumptions might reach different conclusions that you.


To be clear, it is pathetic that you cannot see that a Pro-lifer would see mass abortions as a genocide, so you calling that a lie, was either very stupid of you, or a lie.
Correll I have told you before to stop addressing me personally, I have made it clear to you that I don't want to communciate with you and your insistenance on referring to me as a piece of shit among other things will not be tolerated. So this is your final notice, cease & desist communicating with or about me. Not on this thread or anywhere else on U.S. Message Board or utilizing any other form of communication.


When you make a statement in a public forum, anyone in the public forum can comment on it.


I don't recall calling you a piece of shit. YOU must have said something pretty terrible to get that from me.


My point about the topic stands.


It is not credible that you believe that expressing concern over one atrocity means you don't care about another.

Also, it is fairly sad that you cannot make the mental leap that someone different than you, obviously with different operating assumptions might reach different conclusions that you.


To be clear, it is pathetic that you cannot see that a Pro-lifer would see mass abortions as a genocide, so you calling that a lie, was either very stupid of you, or a lie.
 
The EEOC doesn't influence how I view your race or anyone else's. No matter what the EEOC, you or the government thinks, I am going to hire the best person I find to complete the job I require of them regardless of race. If someone doesn't like my decision, they can take me to court over their insecurities. Bringing racial issues into my workplace, when it has nothing to do with the job I require, will get you fired, no matter if you are black or white.
There have always been people who figure, my company my rules, I can do whatever I want and for approximately 175 years there have been no repercussions. Things have changed, people have gone to court to enforce their employment rights and that's one of the inequalities that require resources and attention.

Correct. THe era of Freedom or Merit is over. Today Race is what matters.
 
There have always been people who figure, my company my rules, I can do whatever I want and for approximately 175 years there have been no repercussions. Things have changed, people have gone to court to enforce their employment rights and that's one of the inequalities that require resources and attention.

I am not telling you what I think, nor how to view what you see as inequity. I am stating the simple misconceptions about the effectiveness of legislation. I can tell you right now, if an applicant thinks the reason I should hire them in the least bit includes their race, they will be the first person marked off the list. If you don't like, too bad, because at the least (not considering I ever would) it's illegal for me to use race as a determining factor in employment.
 
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Correct. THe era of Freedom or Merit is over. Today Race is what matters.

A bit to the contrary, today is the era of compliance. It has become a struggle to balance inequality, by adding inequality, and those that are not interested in adding inequality become non-compliant. Which leads us to nothing new, because those who desire inequality have always used the force of government to enforce compliance.
 
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That is not at all a deflection. (???) How could that be a deflection? If you don't see every single human being as made in the image of God, especially in their immutable qualities such as race, sex, etc--than what hope do we have to overcome racism?

God made races. What right do we have to say one is better than the other? In Heaven, presumably, there will be different races. If we don't like that now, what business do we have hoping for Heaven?

From from being a deflection, that answer is part of the bedrock of my life, actually.

If God made all races, and we are all made in the image of God, then God sees no distinction in race, and to see otherwise is not borne of God.

God sees no distinction in race but man does. And those of us who are negatively affected by man doing so are just not going to ignore the damage until it is fixed.

Of course He sees distinction in race. If He didn't why would He have created different races? IOW if there is no distinction between a rose and a daffodil and a hyacinth, then why bother making three distinct flowers? Why not make one generic "flower"?

I presume the Creator made different variations of flowers because they all express His glory. And I would presume the same thing about humans, right? He is an amazing Creator.

Maybe what you mean to say is we should not value one expression of humanity over another. And there you are exactly right.

Definition of distinction

1 a archaic :
division

b :
class 4
  • Mr. Hemingway's … prose is of the first distinction.
  • —Edmund Wilson

2 : the act of perceiving someone or something as being not the same and often treating as separate or different : the
distinguishing of a difference
  • without distinction as to race, sex, or religion
; also : the difference distinguished
  • the distinction between imply and infer


3 : something that distinguishes

  • regional distinctions


4 : the quality or state of being distinguishable

  • no distinction of facial features in the twins


5 a : the quality or state of being excellent or superior : the quality or state of being
distinguished or worthy
  • a politician of some distinction


b : special honor or recognition

  • took a law degree with distinction

  • won many distinctions


c : an accomplishment that sets one apart

  • holds the distinction of being the only American to win the prize

I don't think God sees racial distinctions.
Why are you unsure of your beliefs?
 
I am not telling you what I think, nor how to view what you see as inequity. I am stating the simple misconceptions about the effectiveness of legislation. I can tell you right now, if an applicant thinks the reason I should hire them in the least bit includes their race, they will be the first person marked off the list. If you don't like, too bad, because at the least (not considering I ever would) it's illegal for me to use race as a determining factor in employment.
I don't give a shit about your list or who you mark off unless you're violating the rights of any of the applicants. And you don't have to tell me how ineffective legislation is, that's the point that many of us have been trying to get across. The majority of people engaging in conversation in the race/race relations boards keep disengenously insisting that since the passage of the civil rights act in 1964 that because the law no longer allows racism that racism suddenly no longer exists as if racists don't have the ability to violate the law, particularly since it takes money to file lawsuits and depending on their means not everyone has an extra $50,000 socked away to pay an employment law attorney to represent them.

And I don't know why you keep thinking that I expect anything of anyone due to my race. Do you actually think all black people are charity cases or something?
 
[...The majority of people engaging in conversation in the race/race relations boards keep disengenously insisting that since the passage of the civil rights act in 1964 that because the law no longer allows racism that racism suddenly no longer exists as if racists don't have the ability to violate the law, particularly since it takes money to file lawsuits and depending on their means not everyone has an extra $50,000 socked away to pay an employment law attorney to represent them....

That is a lie.
 
I don't give a shit about your list or who you mark off unless you're violating the rights of any of the applicants. And you don't have to tell me how ineffective legislation is, that's the point that many of us have been trying to get across. The majority of people engaging in conversation in the race/race relations boards keep disengenously insisting that since the passage of the civil rights act in 1964 that because the law no longer allows racism that racism suddenly no longer exists as if racists don't have the ability to violate the law, particularly since it takes money to file lawsuits and depending on their means not everyone has an extra $50,000 socked away to pay an employment law attorney to represent them.

And I don't know why you keep thinking that I expect anything of anyone due to my race. Do you actually think all black people are charity cases or something?

I never suggest that racism doesn't exist, just that pretending it permeates everything is bullshit. I don't think you expect anything from me, past the point you think your race should make a difference to anything I may think or do. I don't think blacks are charity cases, I simply reject the idea I am required to think they are to fit your view of how things were, are or should be. The only thing I object to is the idea you may or may not think the fact you are black means a damn thing to me or should to anyone else.

Is that clear enough for ya? Because if you object to that, you want something.
 
I never suggest that racism doesn't exist, just that pretending it permeates everything is bullshit. I don't think you expect anything from me, past the point you think your race should make a difference to anything I may think or do. I don't think blacks are charity cases, I simply reject the idea I am required to think they are to fit your view of how things were, are or should be. The only thing I object to is the idea you may or may not think the fact you are black means a damn thing to me or should to anyone else.

Is that clear enough for ya? Because if you object to that, you want something.
This is one of the more bizarre conversations I've had here. I honestly do not understand why you think that I am parading around my "blackness" or that it means anything other than what it does. Most people don't care that I'm black, most don't have an issue with it, some like it, the racists don't. Most of what I've achieved and obtained is not because I'm black but because I out performed my competitors. In most of my classes, jobs, training, etc. I was generally the only black person, oftentimes the only female and in most cases the only black female.

You think I want something from you? What could that possibly be since I have no idea who you are? I guess your priviledge isolates you from the fact that racism does indeed permeate most aspects of the lives of African Americans. But what most of you often overlook is that in spite of all of the obstacles put in our way, all the times we've been forced to start over in one respect or another, we're still here and still progressing. I think THAT bothers some more than any of the "issues" that black people are alleged to have. That and the fact that racism is unlawful, it's psychological abuse and those that engage in it while pretending it's not happening (a form of gaslighting) appear to want to be able to act with impunity with no challenge from their "victims".

You've been very presumptous with your view of me as have most others here on the board. I guess it's just beyond your comprehension that there might actually be a very valid reason for gathering evidence of the racial opinions expressed on internet message boards. It's an open and anonymous forum and as you can see no one has any qualms about saying what they really feel no matter how bigoted or stupid and God forbid anyone to disagree or challenge their opinions.
 
This is one of the more bizarre conversations I've had here. I honestly do not understand why you think that I am parading around my "blackness" or that it means anything other than what it does. Most people don't care that I'm black, most don't have an issue with it, some like it, the racists don't. Most of what I've achieved and obtained is not because I'm black but because I out performed my competitors. In most of my classes, jobs, training, etc. I was generally the only black person, oftentimes the only female and in most cases the only black female.

You think I want something from you? What could that possibly be since I have no idea who you are? I guess your priviledge isolates you from the fact that racism does indeed permeate most aspects of the lives of African Americans. But what most of you often overlook is that in spite of all of the obstacles put in our way, all the times we've been forced to start over in one respect or another, we're still here and still progressing. I think THAT bothers some more than any of the "issues" that black people are alleged to have. That and the fact that racism is unlawful, it's psychological abuse and those that engage in it while pretending it's not happening (a form of gaslighting) appear to want to be able to act with impunity with no challenge from their "victims".

You've been very presumptous with your view of me as have most others here on the board. I guess it's just beyond your comprehension that there might actually be a very valid reason for gathering evidence of the racial opinions expressed on internet message boards. It's an open and anonymous forum and as you can see no one has any qualms about saying what they really feel no matter how bigoted or stupid and God forbid anyone to disagree or challenge their opinions.

You have obviously missed the part where your being black doesn't make a difference to me. Nothing you can say about you being black (what you did, how you did it, what you think about what you did) will ever make me use your race to determine anything. What someone else did 150 years ago, or may do tomorrow, nope, I am still not going to use your race to help me decide anything.

The bizarre part is why you keep arguing with me because I see you as equal. None of the ad-lib extra garbage, assumptions, perspectives, challenges or whatever else you want to heap in there, will ever make me view you any other way. Your desire to try and correct me, or what you may see as my misunderstanding, means something, even if the opportunity to correct me is all you want.
 
The bizarre part is why you keep arguing with me because I see you as equal. None of the ad-lib extra garbage, assumptions, perspectives, challenges or whatever else you want to heap in there, will ever make me view you any other way. Your desire to try and correct me, or what you may see as my misunderstanding, means something, even if the opportunity to correct me is all you want.
Correct you how?
 
Correct you how?

You keep responding to my posts explaining your ideas, of which I have not argued (I did state a few associated facts along the way). My only guess is the you think something you have to offer, that involves your opinions about race, could possibly hold more bearing than my desire to view you as equal. Feel free to correct me, if you think I got that wrong.
 
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I am not telling you what I think, nor how to view what you see as inequity. I am stating the simple misconceptions about the effectiveness of legislation. I can tell you right now, if an applicant thinks the reason I should hire them in the least bit includes their race, they will be the first person marked off the list. If you don't like, too bad, because at the least (not considering I ever would) it's illegal for me to use race as a determining factor in employment.
I don't give a shit about your list or who you mark off unless you're violating the rights of any of the applicants. And you don't have to tell me how ineffective legislation is, that's the point that many of us have been trying to get across. The majority of people engaging in conversation in the race/race relations boards keep disengenously insisting that since the passage of the civil rights act in 1964 that because the law no longer allows racism that racism suddenly no longer exists as if racists don't have the ability to violate the law, particularly since it takes money to file lawsuits and depending on their means not everyone has an extra $50,000 socked away to pay an employment law attorney to represent them.

And I don't know why you keep thinking that I expect anything of anyone due to my race. Do you actually think all black people are charity cases or something?


Many here absolutely do.
 
race relations should not be/is not an important subject
the economy/etc is
what MAJOR racial problems are there--that affect more of the people--more than the economy/taxes/etc?

Why should something that impacts everyone's day to day not be an important subject?
and it's definitely not racism

But racism effects most people's lives in the US on a daily basis.

Look, the US has the worst crime in the First World. It has ghettos where poor people are left to rot, and race has played a massive part in all of that.
the worst American is doing a lot better than the other countries
I've been all over the world
I've posted and PROVEN many times, Africa is the shithole of the world

We're not just talking about Africa here.

Many First World countries are better in many ways than the US.

Do you want proof?

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia

The US is 31st in the world for life expectancy.

Costa Rica is ahead of the US, and isn't a First World country.

The US is 133 for murder rate. Holy jeezus.

The US is 62 on one way of calculating income inequality, with 1 being the WORST.

What are you looking at?

GDP?

The US is 11th for GDP per capita. Not first, not even in the top 10.
1. Costa Rica-population 4 million---100 times less than the US--very ridiculous analogy
when you compare something, it has to be at least somewhat close
2. life expectancy has NOTHING to do with quality of life/poverty/etc
800px-Percent_poverty_world_map.png

File:Percent poverty world map.png - Wikimedia Commons
your arguments fail big time
 

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