It's kind of funny that some conservatives call them

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It's kind of funny how some conservatives call themselves constitutional conservatives. I mean wtf? It gives off the "feeling" that they're somehow experts in the document, but as far as I can see nearly all of them have no clue about what they're saying. Seriously, In most every field of law(judges, lawyers, law professors) and most constitutional professors that have spent their entire life teaching and researching these issue nearly all disagree with the idea that we should live in the 18th century with the concept of a rigid document. Seriously, I know this is a generalization but this is what these people generally want for America....What they don't get is:

1. They don't understand what supremacy is and 2. don't realize or simply ignore the entire concept of caselaw when it doesn't support their foolish 18th century thinking. With this sort of thinking our founders that wrote the constitution would have been thought of as being way out of line for considering what they did by the so called constitutional conservatives of the 18th century(which frankly wanted to preserve the king and the rights of kings). The constitution was wrote to last through the centuries and to allow a great deal of power that was limited by the amendments to protect rights, liberties and as a guide.

There isn't one thing in the constitutions that limits power to only the states. Not one word in the 10th amendment as such powers aint defined within the document, but we do have case law that certainly does attempt to do so at the local level. So yes, lets throw out the concept of caselaw as you wish, but when really digging into the meat of the issue you will find really fast that you have less of a case when you do.

We're a modern country because we live under an government that protects our standards of living, economy and invests within our borders. This is one of the biggest difference between a third world shit hole and the first world?? The question you have to ask is what do you choose for our future? 1. What we have now that works very well or 2. something that goes against the entire modern developed world and never has.
Stop fooling yourself with dumb terms that don't match reality.
 
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What's even funnier is they pull the same "case law" to make their stupid conservative cases too...So I guess they will do so when it fits their narrative.

conservatives are activist just as much as liberals. Because we both understand deep down in our heart that the rigid shit is just bullshit.
 
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What's even sicker is kicking peoples doors down to fight a massive war on drugs that really is against the 3rd and 4th amendments of our constitutions. So I guess these assholes don't even understand or respect the real limits that were written within the document These assholes also spy on American citizens without a warrant! Another real abuse of our legal system! But you won't hear these conservatives bitching about how wrong they're for doing so. Our nation has become such a police state in some cases police can hold you without appearing before a judge.

Of course, You'll will hear them bitch about feeding the poor, providing help for the sick and generally sucking the rich mans dick at every turn...Why? Because they're evil bastards that love our police state and hate anyone that don't have a billion in the bank. They're a bunch of fucking snakes that use names like constitutional conservative to be fucking two faced dicks.
 
It's kind of funny how some conservatives call themselves constitutional conservatives. I mean wtf? It gives off the "feeling" that they're somehow experts in the document, but as far as I can see nearly all of them have no clue about what they're saying. Seriously, In most every field of law(judges, lawyers, law professors) and most constitutional professors that have spent their entire life teaching and researching these issue nearly all disagree with the idea that we should live in the 18th century with the concept of a rigid document. Seriously, I know this is a generalization but this is what these people generally want for America....What they don't get is:

1. They don't understand what supremacy is and 2. don't realize or simply ignore the entire concept of caselaw when it doesn't support their foolish 18th century thinking. With this sort of thinking our founders that wrote the constitution would have been thought of as being way out of line for considering what they did by the so called constitutional conservatives of the 18th century(which frankly wanted to preserve the king and the rights of kings). The constitution was wrote to last through the centuries and to allow a great deal of power that was limited by the amendments to protect rights, liberties and as a guide.

There isn't one thing in the constitutions that limits power to only the states. Not one word in the 10th amendment as such powers aint defined within the document, but we do have case law that certainly does attempt to do so at the local level. So yes, lets throw out the concept of caselaw as you wish, but when really digging into the meat of the issue you will find really fast that you have less of a case when you do.

We're a modern country because we live under an government that protects our standards of living, economy and invests within our borders. This is one of the biggest difference between a third world shit hole and the first world?? The question you have to ask is what do you choose for our future? 1. What we have now that works very well or 2. something that goes against the entire modern developed world and never has.
Stop fooling yourself with dumb terms that don't match reality.

1) There are but four methods to change the Constitution. Case law and precedence are not any of the four.

2) "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
Thus are such powers defined.

3) Your third paragraph really makes little sense.
 
Its kind of funny watching a "guy" try to dismantle someone elses logic when he doesnt even know if he has a dick.
Great thread faggot
 
We're a modern country because we live under an government...

Well, no, we don't live under a government. Silly goose. Who told you that anyway?

Man organizes government to be his tools. Government is merely a tool which is created by man and assigned limited powers by man, Just Powers, to protect the rights of Individuals and the rights of groups of Individuals.

A government is not a sovereign entity. That is to say that a government possesses no sovereign power in and of itself.

For example: "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men . . ." - (Declaration of Independence)

You see?

What you're proposing by your contention that we are under a government is A Democracy. America is not A Democracy. America is a Republic.

Let us compare for clarity...

A Democracy: The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man.

This is true whether it be a Direct Democracy, or a Representative Democracy.


A Republic: A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general. The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution--adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment--with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term "the people" means, of course, the electorate.

Limited for Liberty.


Anyway. Maybe people around here have already discussed the topic. I dunno. I'm a noob.
 
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We're a modern country because we live under an government...

Well, no, we don't live under a government. Silly goose. Who told you that anyway?

Man organizes government to be his tools. Government is merely a tool which is created by man and assigned limited powers by man, Just Powers, to protect the rights of Individuals and the rights of groups of Individuals.

A government is not a sovereign entity. That is to say that a government possesses no sovereign power in and of itself.

For example: "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men . . ." - (Declaration of Independence)

You see?

What you're proposing by your contention that we are under a government is A Democracy. America is not A Democracy. America is a Republic.

Let us compare for clarity...

A Democracy: The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man.

This is true whether it be a Direct Democracy, or a Representative Democracy.


A Republic: A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general. The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution--adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment--with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term "the people" means, of course, the electorate.

Limited for Liberty.


Anyway. Maybe people around here have already discussed the topic. I dunno. I'm a noob.

We have discussed it ad infinitum. Some on the Left simply cannot be reached.
 
Beyond the second amendment conservatives neither know or care about the rest of the document

And even with the second...they only know half of it
 
One wonders why the obsession with what other people think. One assumes that trolls be trollin', because it's what they do.


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We're a modern country because we live under an government...

Well, no, we don't live under a government. Silly goose. Who told you that anyway?

Man organizes government to be his tools. Government is merely a tool which is created by man and assigned limited powers by man, Just Powers, to protect the rights of Individuals and the rights of groups of Individuals.

A government is not a sovereign entity. That is to say that a government possesses no sovereign power in and of itself.

For example: "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men . . ." - (Declaration of Independence)

You see?

What you're proposing by your contention that we are under a government is A Democracy. America is not A Democracy. America is a Republic.

Let us compare for clarity...

A Democracy: The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man.

This is true whether it be a Direct Democracy, or a Representative Democracy.


A Republic: A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general. The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution--adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment--with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term "the people" means, of course, the electorate.

Limited for Liberty.


Anyway. Maybe people around here have already discussed the topic. I dunno. I'm a noob.
Mattieboy sure is nuts. He loves government. This fact alone proves how uninformed he is. Nothing has killed more people caused more suffering and injustice, than government.

What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.

– Tom Clancy
 
There isn't one thing in the constitutions that limits power to only the states. Not one word in the 10th amendment as such powers aint defined within the document, but we do have case law that certainly does attempt to do so at the local level. So yes, lets throw out the concept of caselaw as you wish, but when really digging into the meat of the issue you will find really fast that you have less of a case when you do.

I am unclear on what you are saying regarding the 10th amendment.

James Madison made the following claim in Federalist 45:

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.

Please help me understand your claim.
 
The "Federalist" was a form of letters to the editor, and there was a purpose behind all of them.
 
Most of our 'constitutional conservatives' are stuck between 1789 to 1917.
 

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