It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns.

[Rustic]

Who cares?

Keep your gun rights. Point is the gun culture is eroding

Now that you are the one that is ignoring the data, who cares right!

RW morons everywhere...lol. Brainwashed, liars,or just stupid? Always the question with the GOP...

A Shrinking Minority: The Continuing Decline of Gun Ownership in ...
www.vpc.org/studies/ownership.pdf
... DECLINE IN HOUSEHOLD GUN OWNERSHIP. 55%. 50%. 45%. 40%. 35% ... By 2014, 32.4 of American households reported having any guns in the .... under 35 owned a gun while 27.4 percent of those 65 years of age and older owned a ...
Number of households with guns on the decline, study shows - CBS ...
www.cbsnews.com/.../number-of-households-with-guns-on-the-decline-stu...
CBS News
Mar 10, 2015 - The drop in the number of Americans who own a gun or live in a household with ... own a firearm, down from a high of 31 percent who said so in 1985. ... of men who own one, from 50 percent in 1980 to 35 percent in 2014.

Good point

Most of the gun ownership seems to be with older Americans. Younger Americans are not growing up with them and many young families do not want them in the house

You forgot about the young black males.

Number of households with guns on the decline, study shows

Gun ownership rates also vary by race, with 4 in 10 white Americans living in households with a gun compared with less than 2 in 10 blacks and Hispanics.

Not in the west, the decline is in the progressive suburbs.

 

[Weatherman2020]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Oh, so weed and cocaine can be removed from society.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Higher minority population equates to more crime. Murder rates in major cities are on the rise. Cities Grapple With Rising Murder Rates

That is simplly not true.

You are regurgitating the corporate media message intended to drive a wedge between working class people along lines of race,gender, religion, etc, the old 'Divide and Conquer' ; dont fall for the bullshit.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The average gun owner now owns 8 guns — double what it used to be

.

You do understand that you are "shooting yourself in the foot", right?

Backs my assertion that increased gun sales are to those already owning guns

See what's funny in that chart? Gun nuts buy into "Democrats going to take your guns" fear mongering and stocked up when Clinton and Obama were elected....remained flat under Bush

Is gun ownership really down in America?

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post. These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.
A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

It is simply amazing that libtards cant conceive of people lying to pollsters as they see the anti-gun agenda reaching its peak.

 

[rightwinger]

The average gun owner now owns 8 guns — double what it used to be

.

You do understand that you are "shooting yourself in the foot", right?

Backs my assertion that increased gun sales are to those already owning guns

See what's funny in that chart? Gun nuts buy into "Democrats going to take your guns" fear mongering and stocked up when Clinton and Obama were elected....remained flat under Bush

Is gun ownership really down in America?

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post. These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.
A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

It is simply amazing that libtards cant conceive of people lying to pollsters as they see the anti-gun agenda reaching its peak.

Agree...we all know what liars gun owners are

 

[Andylusion]

The average gun owner now owns 8 guns — double what it used to be

.

You do understand that you are "shooting yourself in the foot", right?

Backs my assertion that increased gun sales are to those already owning guns

See what's funny in that chart? Gun nuts buy into "Democrats going to take your guns" fear mongering and stocked up when Clinton and Obama were elected....remained flat under Bush

Is gun ownership really down in America?

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post. These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.
A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

It is simply amazing that libtards cant conceive of people lying to pollsters as they see the anti-gun agenda reaching its peak.

Agree...we all know what liars gun owners are

Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact that your policies accomplish nothing, but to punish those who obey the law.

Criminals are not going to tell the truth, and they are going to get their guns, no matter what some mindless idiots with anti-gun posters do.

 

[francoHFW]

You do understand that you are "shooting yourself in the foot", right?

Backs my assertion that increased gun sales are to those already owning guns

See what's funny in that chart? Gun nuts buy into "Democrats going to take your guns" fear mongering and stocked up when Clinton and Obama were elected....remained flat under Bush

Is gun ownership really down in America?

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post. These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.
A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

It is simply amazing that libtards cant conceive of people lying to pollsters as they see the anti-gun agenda reaching its peak.

Agree...we all know what liars gun owners are

Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact that your policies accomplish nothing, but to punish those who obey the law.

Criminals are not going to tell the truth, and they are going to get their guns, no matter what some mindless idiots with anti-gun posters do.

Maybe we should actually TRY background checks first lol. Like over 80% want...

 

[rightwinger]

You do understand that you are "shooting yourself in the foot", right?

Backs my assertion that increased gun sales are to those already owning guns

See what's funny in that chart? Gun nuts buy into "Democrats going to take your guns" fear mongering and stocked up when Clinton and Obama were elected....remained flat under Bush

Is gun ownership really down in America?

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post. These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.
A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

It is simply amazing that libtards cant conceive of people lying to pollsters as they see the anti-gun agenda reaching its peak.

Agree...we all know what liars gun owners are

Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact that your policies accomplish nothing, but to punish those who obey the law.

Criminals are not going to tell the truth, and they are going to get their guns, no matter what some mindless idiots with anti-gun posters do.

You are not being punished
Only asked to be more responsible

 

[francoHFW]

Now that you are the one that is ignoring the data, who cares right!

RW morons everywhere...lol. Brainwashed, liars,or just stupid? Always the question with the GOP...

A Shrinking Minority: The Continuing Decline of Gun Ownership in ...
www.vpc.org/studies/ownership.pdf
... DECLINE IN HOUSEHOLD GUN OWNERSHIP. 55%. 50%. 45%. 40%. 35% ... By 2014, 32.4 of American households reported having any guns in the .... under 35 owned a gun while 27.4 percent of those 65 years of age and older owned a ...
Number of households with guns on the decline, study shows - CBS ...
www.cbsnews.com/.../number-of-households-with-guns-on-the-decline-stu...
CBS News
Mar 10, 2015 - The drop in the number of Americans who own a gun or live in a household with ... own a firearm, down from a high of 31 percent who said so in 1985. ... of men who own one, from 50 percent in 1980 to 35 percent in 2014.

Good point

Most of the gun ownership seems to be with older Americans. Younger Americans are not growing up with them and many young families do not want them in the house

You forgot about the young black males.

Number of households with guns on the decline, study shows

Gun ownership rates also vary by race, with 4 in 10 white Americans living in households with a gun compared with less than 2 in 10 blacks and Hispanics.

Not in the west, the decline is in the progressive suburbs.

Can you read?

 

[Andylusion]

Backs my assertion that increased gun sales are to those already owning guns

See what's funny in that chart? Gun nuts buy into "Democrats going to take your guns" fear mongering and stocked up when Clinton and Obama were elected....remained flat under Bush

Is gun ownership really down in America?

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post. These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.
A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

It is simply amazing that libtards cant conceive of people lying to pollsters as they see the anti-gun agenda reaching its peak.

Agree...we all know what liars gun owners are

Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact that your policies accomplish nothing, but to punish those who obey the law.

Criminals are not going to tell the truth, and they are going to get their guns, no matter what some mindless idiots with anti-gun posters do.

You are not being punished
Only asked to be more responsible

Tell that to the native Americans.
Tell that to the law abiding citizens of New Orleans who had their weapons confiscated and destroyed, even while criminals were on the loose.

I can list about a half dozen examples where perfectly responsible people, who followed the law, ended up being punished for exercising their rights.

Apparently in the left-wing world, being responsible is relinquishing your rights.

 

[francoHFW]

Is gun ownership really down in America?

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post. These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.
A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

It is simply amazing that libtards cant conceive of people lying to pollsters as they see the anti-gun agenda reaching its peak.

Agree...we all know what liars gun owners are

Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact that your policies accomplish nothing, but to punish those who obey the law.

Criminals are not going to tell the truth, and they are going to get their guns, no matter what some mindless idiots with anti-gun posters do.

You are not being punished
Only asked to be more responsible

Tell that to the native Americans.
Tell that to the law abiding citizens of New Orleans who had their weapons confiscated and destroyed, even while criminals were on the loose.

I can list about a half dozen examples where perfectly responsible people, who followed the law, ended up being punished for exercising their rights.

Apparently in the left-wing world, being responsible is relinquishing your rights.

What NOLA confiscation? Link? All 85% want is background checks on all sales, and you bring up all kinds of bs.

 

[rightwinger]

Is gun ownership really down in America?

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post. These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.
A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

It is simply amazing that libtards cant conceive of people lying to pollsters as they see the anti-gun agenda reaching its peak.

Agree...we all know what liars gun owners are

Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact that your policies accomplish nothing, but to punish those who obey the law.

Criminals are not going to tell the truth, and they are going to get their guns, no matter what some mindless idiots with anti-gun posters do.

You are not being punished
Only asked to be more responsible

Tell that to the native Americans.
Tell that to the law abiding citizens of New Orleans who had their weapons confiscated and destroyed, even while criminals were on the loose.

I can list about a half dozen examples where perfectly responsible people, who followed the law, ended up being punished for exercising their rights.

Apparently in the left-wing world, being responsible is relinquishing your rights.

Such a drama queen

Nobody is taking your weapons, so you have to get background checks
Breaking my freak'n heart

 

[thereisnospoon]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

Yeah Good luck with that. Peyote abuser.

 

[FA_Q2]

Backs my assertion that increased gun sales are to those already owning guns

See what's funny in that chart? Gun nuts buy into "Democrats going to take your guns" fear mongering and stocked up when Clinton and Obama were elected....remained flat under Bush

Is gun ownership really down in America?

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post. These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.
A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

It is simply amazing that libtards cant conceive of people lying to pollsters as they see the anti-gun agenda reaching its peak.

Agree...we all know what liars gun owners are

Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact that your policies accomplish nothing, but to punish those who obey the law.

Criminals are not going to tell the truth, and they are going to get their guns, no matter what some mindless idiots with anti-gun posters do.

Maybe we should actually TRY background checks first lol. Like over 80% want...

Grater gun control does not work and this has been shown through the myriad gun control laws that have been passed all over the nation and planet.

 

[FA_Q2]

Here's the problem with background checks. To refuse to sell a gun to someone who has failed their background check is a violation of the second amendment.

no it isn't because the second amendment only restrains government action. If your boss fires you for making rude comments about his appearance that is not a violation of the first amendment if your boss is not a government agent. and if your boss fires you for wearing a t-shirt that says FUCK THE GOVERNMENT that is not a first amendment violation either

A Government entity requiring a gun shop to not sell guns to someone who fails the background check is a violation of the second amendment. If the gun shop does it on their own, ok. But if the government tells them to not do it it's not ok.

False.

Your rights can and are removed by a court of law when you violate the law. That is one of the primary functions of the justice system. Background checks simply check to see if you have had those rights removed through the justice system.

That is the primary problem with the mental health side of the issue - the courts need to have purview over removing your rights where you have the ability to redress your grievances and defend yourself and no one else should have the ability to do so.

 

[Andylusion]

It is simply amazing that libtards cant conceive of people lying to pollsters as they see the anti-gun agenda reaching its peak.

Agree...we all know what liars gun owners are

Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact that your policies accomplish nothing, but to punish those who obey the law.

Criminals are not going to tell the truth, and they are going to get their guns, no matter what some mindless idiots with anti-gun posters do.

You are not being punished
Only asked to be more responsible

Tell that to the native Americans.
Tell that to the law abiding citizens of New Orleans who had their weapons confiscated and destroyed, even while criminals were on the loose.

I can list about a half dozen examples where perfectly responsible people, who followed the law, ended up being punished for exercising their rights.

Apparently in the left-wing world, being responsible is relinquishing your rights.

Such a drama queen

Nobody is taking your weapons, so you have to get background checks
Breaking my freak'n heart

And yet I have direct, documented, undeniable proof of exactly what you claim won't happen.

 

[rightwinger]

Agree...we all know what liars gun owners are

Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact that your policies accomplish nothing, but to punish those who obey the law.

Criminals are not going to tell the truth, and they are going to get their guns, no matter what some mindless idiots with anti-gun posters do.

You are not being punished
Only asked to be more responsible

Tell that to the native Americans.
Tell that to the law abiding citizens of New Orleans who had their weapons confiscated and destroyed, even while criminals were on the loose.

I can list about a half dozen examples where perfectly responsible people, who followed the law, ended up being punished for exercising their rights.

Apparently in the left-wing world, being responsible is relinquishing your rights.

Such a drama queen

Nobody is taking your weapons, so you have to get background checks
Breaking my freak'n heart

And yet I have direct, documented, undeniable proof of exactly what you claim won't happen.

You have minor instances that have been overblown by the gun nuts

 

[M14 Shooter]

Maybe we should actually TRY background checks first lol. Like over 80% want...

You aren't aware of the fact that we've had federal background checks since 1993...?

 

[rightwinger]

Maybe we should actually TRY background checks first lol. Like over 80% want...

You aren't aware of the fact that we've had federal background checks since 1993...?

Except on private sales and certain gun shows

You sell your gun...it is up to YOU to be sure you are not selling to a felon

 

[Ernie S.]

Higher minority population equates to more crime. Murder rates in major cities are on the rise. Cities Grapple With Rising Murder Rates

That is simplly not true.

You are regurgitating the corporate media message intended to drive a wedge between working class people along lines of race,gender, religion, etc, the old 'Divide and Conquer' ; dont fall for the bullshit.

Wrong again. Half of the murders in the US are committed by black males.We are talking 1/16 of the population committing 1/2 of the homicides. THAT you can check at the CDC and the FBI. Hardly corporate media, there fella. If you'd like to check murder rates, I'd suggest Chicago PD inc.