It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns.

[francoHFW]

I love the gun grabber threads..........gives everybody on this board the chance to identify those who don't have both feet on the ground ( ie: the real mental cases )

Record number of Americans oppose handgun ban


And nobody cares about gun control..........according to Pew from January 2016, gun control is SMACK DAB ON THE BOTTOM on the list of voter concerns.


Pew: Deficit issues slip as voter priority in favor of economy and national security - Hot Air


Only the emotional hemophiliacs of our society are caring!!!

Only hater dupes like you believe anyone is suggesting a hand gun ban. Try the actual issues that 80% plus are for.

 

[rightwinger]

Is gun ownership really down in America?

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post. These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.
A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

It is simply amazing that libtards cant conceive of people lying to pollsters as they see the anti-gun agenda reaching its peak.

Agree...we all know what liars gun owners are

Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact that your policies accomplish nothing, but to punish those who obey the law.

Criminals are not going to tell the truth, and they are going to get their guns, no matter what some mindless idiots with anti-gun posters do.

Why do you want to sell your gun to a criminal?

Don't you care?

WHY is the individual a "criminal"? Don't you care?

Maybe he is a convicted felon
What do you care if you sell him a gun? Not your problem nod he will probably get one anyway. You might as well make a buck

 

[Markle]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Why would you chose three lies as your signature?

 

[Rustic]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Some people like the Washington redskin are pussy whipped from birth....

 

[rightwinger]

Maybe we should actually TRY background checks first lol. Like over 80% want...

You aren't aware of the fact that we've had federal background checks since 1993...?

Ridiculous BS...

Ah - so you ARE ignorant of the fact that federal law has required background checks since 1993.
Here's link - educate yourself.
Gun Checks/NICS
Glad I could help.

Still huge loopholes, dupe. Ridiculous lol. 80%+ want them closed. NOT bans or taking them away like the imaginary tripe dupes believe. Trump says Hilary wants to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Absolute BS.

Love it how the NRA puts loopholes in gun legislation that you could drive a truck through and then brags that the legislation doesn't work

 

[Ernie S.]

It is simply amazing that libtards cant conceive of people lying to pollsters as they see the anti-gun agenda reaching its peak.

Agree...we all know what liars gun owners are

Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact that your policies accomplish nothing, but to punish those who obey the law.

Criminals are not going to tell the truth, and they are going to get their guns, no matter what some mindless idiots with anti-gun posters do.

You are not being punished
Only asked to be more responsible

Legal gun owners are already the most responsible and law abiding segment of society. Hell they get a background check at every purchase. CCP holders are even more carefully scrutinized. What you want to do is place more restrictions on people who are extremely unlikely to commit a crime using a gun and ignoring the thug culture, the gangs, the people who should not even be in our country; you know, the ones who ignore laws by their very nature.

Yup...responsible and law abiding right up until they pull the trigger

The chances of a person who has completed a background check, using his weapon in a crime are negligible compared to one who has obtained his weapon by theft or black market. 93% of crime guns were obtained illegally.
According to the US Justice Department, Fewer than 1% of “crime guns” were obtained at gun shows.
Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year or 6,849 every day. 5 Most often, the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.
Yes, occasionally someone who has passed a background check will use that gun in a crime, but for every such case, 13 crimes will be committed using an illegally obtained weapon.
Why don't you educate yourself. Read this, if you dare. All data is linked and or cited.
Gun Facts | Gun Control and Crime

 

[rightwinger]

Oh.....and btw......Hillary was part of an administration that set up a gun running operation to Mexico for the purpose of flooding America with automatic weapons. The goal......to move towards in your face gun control.


The scandal in Washington no one is talking about


Make no mistake...........Hillary Clinton is coming for peoples guns. No secret unless you exist amongst the low-information zombies of our society.

Hillary Clinton is not coming after your guns

After 8 years Obama already got them all

 

[Rustic]

Maybe we should actually TRY background checks first lol. Like over 80% want...

You aren't aware of the fact that we've had federal background checks since 1993...?

Ridiculous BS...

Ah - so you ARE ignorant of the fact that federal law has required background checks since 1993.
Here's link - educate yourself.
Gun Checks/NICS
Glad I could help.

Still huge loopholes, dupe. Ridiculous lol. 80%+ want them closed. NOT bans or taking them away like the imaginary tripe dupes believe. Trump says Hilary wants to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Absolute BS.

Love it how the NRA puts loopholes in gun legislation that you could drive a truck through and then brags that the legislation doesn't work

Tissue??

 

[Rustic]

Oh.....and btw......Hillary was part of an administration that set up a gun running operation to Mexico for the purpose of flooding America with automatic weapons. The goal......to move towards in your face gun control.


The scandal in Washington no one is talking about


Make no mistake...........Hillary Clinton is coming for peoples guns. No secret unless you exist amongst the low-information zombies of our society.

Hillary Clinton is not coming after your guns

After 8 years Obama already got them all

 

[Ernie S.]

You aren't aware of the fact that we've had federal background checks since 1993...?

Ridiculous BS...

Ah - so you ARE ignorant of the fact that federal law has required background checks since 1993.
Here's link - educate yourself.
Gun Checks/NICS
Glad I could help.

Still huge loopholes, dupe

You speak from ignorance and/or dishonesty - there is no legal way to avoid the background checks prescribed by federal law; as such there are no loopholes.
So, the question of the day: Are you lying or do you simply not have any idea what you're talking about?

You are a ridiculous brainwashed functional moron. Ask the Chicago gang bangers who go to private dealers at gun shows in neighboring states or the Va dealers bringing carloads of guns up to NYC. Idiot.

Are you really that stupid? according to studies linked at the page I linked above, less than 1% of guns used in crimes were purchased at a gun show. 93% NINETY THREE PERCENT were obtained illegally.

 

[francoHFW]

You aren't aware of the fact that we've had federal background checks since 1993...?

Ridiculous BS...

Ah - so you ARE ignorant of the fact that federal law has required background checks since 1993.
Here's link - educate yourself.
Gun Checks/NICS
Glad I could help.

Still huge loopholes, dupe. Ridiculous lol. 80%+ want them closed. NOT bans or taking them away like the imaginary tripe dupes believe. Trump says Hilary wants to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Absolute BS.

Love it how the NRA puts loopholes in gun legislation that you could drive a truck through and then brags that the legislation doesn't work

Tissue??

WTF is wrong with you? Brainwashed to the max, totally bought and sold by the BS NRA/GOP. A disgrace.

 

[Andylusion]

Backs my assertion that increased gun sales are to those already owning guns

See what's funny in that chart? Gun nuts buy into "Democrats going to take your guns" fear mongering and stocked up when Clinton and Obama were elected....remained flat under Bush

Is gun ownership really down in America?

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post. These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.
A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

It is simply amazing that libtards cant conceive of people lying to pollsters as they see the anti-gun agenda reaching its peak.

Agree...we all know what liars gun owners are

Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact that your policies accomplish nothing, but to punish those who obey the law.

Criminals are not going to tell the truth, and they are going to get their guns, no matter what some mindless idiots with anti-gun posters do.

Why do you want to sell your gun to a criminal?

Don't you care?

And once again, you miss the point.

I don't want to fund criminals with drug money either. How well is that working for you? You don't want to buy alcohol from the mafia do you? Did that change the drug cartels today, or the alcohol cartels of the 1930s?

Don't you care?

This is the difference between the right and the left. You look at something, and consider how you 'feel' about it. "Don't you care?" That's typical childish left-wing thinking.... or lack of thinking.

We on the right, look more at what works, and what doesn't work, and then determine a course of action that has a higher chance of being effective.... rather than "Don't you care?".

Control, and regulations, have never worked. Gun crime is on the raise in the UK, and Australia, despite massive control control and regulations.

http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...r/news-story/374b4e55fdbb1718079c36979245d50c

So while you are mindlessly asking if people care, countries that have tried what you support, are watching people die. Maybe you should ask yourself that question first. Meanwhile we on the right, are asking what works.

 

[Ernie S.]

Ridiculous BS...

Ah - so you ARE ignorant of the fact that federal law has required background checks since 1993.
Here's link - educate yourself.
Gun Checks/NICS
Glad I could help.

Still huge loopholes, dupe. Ridiculous lol. 80%+ want them closed. NOT bans or taking them away like the erribly soimaginary tripe dupes believe. Trump says Hilary wants to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Absolute BS.

Love it how the NRA puts loopholes in gun legislation that you could drive a truck through and then brags that the legislation doesn't work

Tissue??

WTF is wrong with you? Brainwashed to the max, totally bought and sold by the BS NRA/GOP. A disgrace.

Apparently you ARE that stupid. I pity those that must deal with you on a daily basis.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You aren't aware of the fact that we've had federal background checks since 1993...?

Ridiculous BS...

Ah - so you ARE ignorant of the fact that federal law has required background checks since 1993.
Here's link - educate yourself.
Gun Checks/NICS
Glad I could help.

Still huge loopholes, dupe

You speak from ignorance and/or dishonesty - there is no legal way to avoid the background checks prescribed by federal law; as such there are no loopholes.
So, the question of the day: Are you lying or do you simply not have any idea what you're talking about?

You are a ridiculous brainwashed functional moron.

You didn't answer my question. I'll ask again, below

Ask the Chicago gang banger who go to private dealers at gun shows in neighboring states....

Neither of these things are an example of a loophole in the federal requirement for background checks.
Did you not know this or did you know and choose to lie about it?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Racism makes this different.

Racism is just another form of prejudice and the Irish, Jews and Italians also faced it too.

They did not have the helpful Federal government keeping them dependent.

 

[JimBowie1958]

You are not being punished
Only asked to be more responsible

Too bad you can't feel that way about people having kids they can't afford. But, I guess that's different.

If we were merely being asked to be more responsible then the proposed gun control laws would focus on criminal use of weapons and not all gun owners.

And children are a gift from God; one cannot have too many.

 

[francoHFW]

Racism makes this different.

Racism is just another form of prejudice and the Irish, Jews and Italians also faced it too.

They did not have the helpful Federal government keeping them dependent.

They're white duh. Racists are keeping them dependent. The GOP.

 

[FA_Q2]

Here's the problem with background checks. To refuse to sell a gun to someone who has failed their background check is a violation of the second amendment.

no it isn't because the second amendment only restrains government action. If your boss fires you for making rude comments about his appearance that is not a violation of the first amendment if your boss is not a government agent. and if your boss fires you for wearing a t-shirt that says FUCK THE GOVERNMENT that is not a first amendment violation either

A Government entity requiring a gun shop to not sell guns to someone who fails the background check is a violation of the second amendment. If the gun shop does it on their own, ok. But if the government tells them to not do it it's not ok.

False.

Your rights can and are removed by a court of law when you violate the law. That is one of the primary functions of the justice system. Background checks simply check to see if you have had those rights removed through the justice system.

That is the primary problem with the mental health side of the issue - the courts need to have purview over removing your rights where you have the ability to redress your grievances and defend yourself and no one else should have the ability to do so.

That is also a violation of the second amendment. It does not say you have the right to bear arms unless you're a criminal.

But the constitution does. The fifth amendment states that you shall not be 'deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.'

IOW, due process can take any of your rights away.

Can the court remove your right to vote? Your right to travel? Your right to speech? Prison removes a hell of a lot of rights (including second amendment ones) and that is how the constitution works. When you commit a crime the court can limit your rights for a period of time including life as part of the sentence in or out of an actual jail cell.

Why would the second suddenly be different?

 

[Lakhota]

NRA gun nutters aren't patriots - they're just ignorant and selfish.

 

[Andylusion]

NRA gun nutters aren't patriots - they're just ignorant and selfish.

Anti-gun nutters aren't patriots - they're just ignorant and selfish.