It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns.

[Geaux4it]

Too many kids being needlessly killed with guns.

Dog bites man

-Geaux

 

[bripat9643]

Too many kids being needlessly killed with guns.

Too many leftwing moonbats trying to abolish the Bill of Rights.

 

[bripat9643]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

Not unless you want to keep tyrannical government at bay.

 

[bripat9643]

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...

When it comes to the Constitution there is no such thing as "Compromise" and "Consensus".

Sure there is. Even the original Constitution was built on compromise and consensus.

Yep, and those sections are precisely the parts that have caused so many problems.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Too many kids being needlessly killed with guns.

Way to many kids are being left unprotected in gun free zones, the facts do not lie.

 

[deltex1]

I've got the concept. Add a warning to the stock of your semi automatic that says "bullets from this gun may be harmful to your health".

The question then becomes do these words have to be read to the target before opening fire?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Good luck repealing the 2nd retard.

 

[boedicca]

I missed that part in the 2nd Amendment where it says that Individuals have the Right To Bear Cigarettes.

Where is that?

 

[Lakhota]

I'm not a Scarborough fan, but he's right about this:

MSNBC's Scarborough: Extremism From "The Survivalist Wing" Of The NRA "Is The Greatest Danger To Gun Rights" | Video | Media Matters for America

 

[Yurt]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

scotus said the right to bear arms is an individual right.

 

[boedicca]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

scotus said the right to bear arms is an individual right.

Bingo. The Constitution specifies Rights for Individuals, and Limited Powers for the Government.

 

[Lakhota]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

scotus said the right to bear arms is an individual right.

SCOTUS shifts with the winds - and the winds are shifting.

The Gun Lobby's Dumbest Argument - The Daily Beast

 

[koshergrl]

No, they really aren't. Gun sales are rocketing...it's a tiny fraction of extremist weirdoes who want the American people disarmed.

And it's not going to happen.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

scotus said the right to bear arms is an individual right.

Bingo. The Constitution specifies Rights for Individuals, and Limited Powers for the Government.

Not quite, the COTUS protects rights from government infringement, it does NOT specify rights.

 

[Mojo2]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

It will never be done on guns.

Smarter people will always prevail over those like y'all who think a gun ban will work.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

scotus said the right to bear arms is an individual right.

SCOTUS shifts with the winds - and the winds are shifting.

The Gun Lobby's Dumbest Argument - The Daily Beast

SCOTUS doesn't shift with the winds you moron.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It was done on tobacco, it can be done on Progressives

 

[boedicca]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

scotus said the right to bear arms is an individual right.

Bingo. The Constitution specifies Rights for Individuals, and Limited Powers for the Government.

Not quite, the COTUS protects rights from government infringement, it does NOT specify rights.

Scuze me, but I think you need to read it.

Certain rights are specified, and the IXth Amendment has an ominbus aspect that covers other rights:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

 

[whitehall]

It can "be done" to free speech, property rights and any other part of the "Bill of Rights" is the government is crooked enough and the people remain stupid and compliant.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Hey shitting bull...did you dredge up this moldy old thread for any reason ?