CDZ "It is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong."

[MarathonMike]

Jeremy Bentham was an English philosopher and he wrote this back in the 1700s. "It is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong." This is kind of where we are at with the virus IMO. There is no perfect, feel good solution where everybody goes home with a trophy this time. People are dying and will keep dying. Businesses are failing and more will fail. Workers have lost their jobs and more will lose their jobs. It all sucks to a degree we can't quite fathom yet.

But if we believe Mr. Bentham is correct, then to me that means we need to open the country now. That is because the greatest number of Americans are suffering to protect the fewest number of Americans. And beyond that, NEITHER group is happy. That is the worst of all possible worlds. We can and will do our best to protect the weakest among us, but this little bugger is going to eventually find it's way into every corner of the country. So open the country now.

That's my opinion, what do you think? Is Jeremy Bentham right or wrong? Does his statement apply to our situation? Why or why not? Let's see who can state their view in a cogent, logical manner.

 

[cnm]

That's my opinion, what do you think?

The antithesis of the usual American position about the rights of the minority and the evil of majority rule. I suppose those things depend on whose ox is being gored.

 

[Olde Europe]

Jeremy Bentham was an English philosopher and he wrote this back in the 1700s. "It is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong." This is kind of where we are at with the virus IMO. There is no perfect, feel good solution where everybody goes home with a trophy this time. People are dying and will keep dying. Businesses are failing and more will fail. Workers have lost their jobs and more will lose their jobs. It all sucks to a degree we can't quite fathom yet.

But if we believe Mr. Bentham is correct, then to me that means we need to open the country now. That is because the greatest number of Americans are suffering to protect the fewest number of Americans. And beyond that, NEITHER group is happy. That is the worst of all possible worlds. We can and will do our best to protect the weakest among us, but this little bugger is going to eventually find it's way into every corner of the country. So open the country now.

That's my opinion, what do you think? Is Jeremy Bentham right or wrong? Does his statement apply to our situation? Why or why not? Let's see who can state their view in a cogent, logical manner.

Yours is a false choice. In reality, it's this:

A: Shut it down now, reduce the case count to a manageable number so as to buy time until a cure is found.

B: Open up, and incur a staggering death toll, an overwhelmed, collapsing healthcare system, and folks not going out to consume because it is too dangerous, which would collapse the economy anyway. A collapsing healthcare system means a death toll far in excess of what Corona is causing directly, because no one receives proper care.

Bentham is neither right nor wrong. The question is whether you would want to live in a society governed by his principle. It is entirely destructive of individual rights. If a large majority of the country is happier in case white males over 60 are to be euthanized because they are a drag on the health of the body politic, they are doomed. Under Bentham's principle, they have no recourse.

Finally, Bentham's sentence is short enough, but still you don't read it correctly. It doesn't read "the happiness of the greatest number", but "the greatest happiness of the greatest number". The difference is salient: The question to be answered isn't, "Are you happy with the situation as it is now?" The question is, "Would you be happier without a shutdown, and your children's, your own, and your parents' lives at risk?"

 

[MarathonMike]

Jeremy Bentham was an English philosopher and he wrote this back in the 1700s. "It is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong." This is kind of where we are at with the virus IMO. There is no perfect, feel good solution where everybody goes home with a trophy this time. People are dying and will keep dying. Businesses are failing and more will fail. Workers have lost their jobs and more will lose their jobs. It all sucks to a degree we can't quite fathom yet.

But if we believe Mr. Bentham is correct, then to me that means we need to open the country now. That is because the greatest number of Americans are suffering to protect the fewest number of Americans. And beyond that, NEITHER group is happy. That is the worst of all possible worlds. We can and will do our best to protect the weakest among us, but this little bugger is going to eventually find it's way into every corner of the country. So open the country now.

That's my opinion, what do you think? Is Jeremy Bentham right or wrong? Does his statement apply to our situation? Why or why not? Let's see who can state their view in a cogent, logical manner.

Yours is a false choice. In reality, it's this:

A: Shut it down now, reduce the case count to a manageable number so as to buy time until a cure is found.

B: Open up, and incur a staggering death toll, an overwhelmed, collapsing healthcare system, and folks not going out to consume because it is too dangerous, which would collapse the economy anyway. A collapsing healthcare system means a death toll far in excess of what Corona is causing directly, because no one receives proper care.

Bentham is neither right nor wrong. The question is whether you would want to live in a society governed by his principle. It is entirely destructive of individual rights. If a large majority of the country is happier in case white males over 60 are to be euthanized because they are a drag on the health of the body politic, they are doomed. Under Bentham's principle, they have no recourse.

Finally, Bentham's sentence is short enough, but still you don't read it correctly. It doesn't read "the happiness of the greatest number", but "the greatest happiness of the greatest number". The difference is salient: The question to be answered isn't, "Are you happy with the situation as it is now?" The question is, "Would you be happier without a shutdown, and your children's, your own, and your parents' lives at risk?"

You have stated your case of shutdown being the only reasonable choice. However you are conveniently ignoring the massive destruction of our economy and way of life. You also ignore the very real consequences of deaths, destroyed marriages, starving children, lost jobs and lost businesses resulting from nationwide shutdowns.

 

[Rye Catcher]

Anyone who demands we open the country is a damn fool. Sadly the biggest damn fool is trump.

The more pressure to open up the country, the greater the threat will be to all of us in the US. trump has already put people at risk with his LIBERATE the states from their Governors. There will be a medical solution to this virus, as was done in the past, but without the patience to limit the number infected, more will die and more will infect others. These are facts.

The economy is in tatters, that is true. Yet the bill passed by The Congress gave a pittance to the workers and small business owners, and billions to the Air Industry with no strings attached. If trump had closed the country weeks earlier, and forced Congress to issue checks to individuals and families, tolled the mortgages and rents for four months, extending the leases and loans for the same time period our economy would be a far sight healthier.

 

[sartre play]

It would be wise to remove political motivation, turn the whole deal over to health care leaders& workers and the gathering of supply's to those trained in that field . the distribution of money to the less self serving & greedy. How? have no idea that's how far down the wrong path this nation has gone.

 

[MarathonMike]

It would be wise to remove political motivation, turn the whole deal over to health care leaders& workers and the gathering of supply's to those trained in that field . the distribution of money to the less self serving & greedy. How? have no idea that's how far down the wrong path this nation has gone.

Turn the whole deal over to which health care leaders? The compromised WHO that takes their orders from China and Bill Gates? The compromised Liberal hacks holding high positions in the NIH? No thank you. The greatest happiness to the greatest number. Open the country.

 

[jwoodie]

Happiness is not a measure of right (or wrong), it is the result of doing what is right.

 

[Dragonlady]

Jeremy Bentham was an English philosopher and he wrote this back in the 1700s. "It is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong." This is kind of where we are at with the virus IMO. There is no perfect, feel good solution where everybody goes home with a trophy this time. People are dying and will keep dying. Businesses are failing and more will fail. Workers have lost their jobs and more will lose their jobs. It all sucks to a degree we can't quite fathom yet.

But if we believe Mr. Bentham is correct, then to me that means we need to open the country now. That is because the greatest number of Americans are suffering to protect the fewest number of Americans. And beyond that, NEITHER group is happy. That is the worst of all possible worlds. We can and will do our best to protect the weakest among us, but this little bugger is going to eventually find it's way into every corner of the country. So open the country now.

That's my opinion, what do you think? Is Jeremy Bentham right or wrong? Does his statement apply to our situation? Why or why not? Let's see who can state their view in a cogent, logical manner.

Yours is a false choice. In reality, it's this:

A: Shut it down now, reduce the case count to a manageable number so as to buy time until a cure is found.

B: Open up, and incur a staggering death toll, an overwhelmed, collapsing healthcare system, and folks not going out to consume because it is too dangerous, which would collapse the economy anyway. A collapsing healthcare system means a death toll far in excess of what Corona is causing directly, because no one receives proper care.

Bentham is neither right nor wrong. The question is whether you would want to live in a society governed by his principle. It is entirely destructive of individual rights. If a large majority of the country is happier in case white males over 60 are to be euthanized because they are a drag on the health of the body politic, they are doomed. Under Bentham's principle, they have no recourse.

Finally, Bentham's sentence is short enough, but still you don't read it correctly. It doesn't read "the happiness of the greatest number", but "the greatest happiness of the greatest number". The difference is salient: The question to be answered isn't, "Are you happy with the situation as it is now?" The question is, "Would you be happier without a shutdown, and your children's, your own, and your parents' lives at risk?"

You have stated your case of shutdown being the only reasonable choice. However you are conveniently ignoring the massive destruction of our economy and way of life. You also ignore the very real consequences of deaths, destroyed marriages, starving children, lost jobs and lost businesses resulting from nationwide shutdowns.

Republicans have been ignoring the massive destruction of your economy and way of life since 1980. You also ignore the very real consequences of the loss of wages, health care, and other economic consequences of Republican employment and tax policy since 1981 on the American worker.

Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy family owned businesses and farms, in favour of corporate interests and concentration. Hopefully, Republicanism and it's destruction of the American worker will end, and people will start to get decent wages, employee protections, and single payer health care.

If the American economic corporatist model is destroyed by this virus, I will consider it to be a blessing.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Open up. There will be no staggering death toll and hospitals will not be overwhelmed. It was all a lie to begin with. Crash the economy and blame Trump. That was the plan.

The state with the highest number of dead was New York. If the governor has not ordered nursing homes and assisted living centers to take active elderly and dying in even New York would not have that high a death toll.

 

[MarathonMike]

Jeremy Bentham was an English philosopher and he wrote this back in the 1700s. "It is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong." This is kind of where we are at with the virus IMO. There is no perfect, feel good solution where everybody goes home with a trophy this time. People are dying and will keep dying. Businesses are failing and more will fail. Workers have lost their jobs and more will lose their jobs. It all sucks to a degree we can't quite fathom yet.

But if we believe Mr. Bentham is correct, then to me that means we need to open the country now. That is because the greatest number of Americans are suffering to protect the fewest number of Americans. And beyond that, NEITHER group is happy. That is the worst of all possible worlds. We can and will do our best to protect the weakest among us, but this little bugger is going to eventually find it's way into every corner of the country. So open the country now.

That's my opinion, what do you think? Is Jeremy Bentham right or wrong? Does his statement apply to our situation? Why or why not? Let's see who can state their view in a cogent, logical manner.

Yours is a false choice. In reality, it's this:

A: Shut it down now, reduce the case count to a manageable number so as to buy time until a cure is found.

B: Open up, and incur a staggering death toll, an overwhelmed, collapsing healthcare system, and folks not going out to consume because it is too dangerous, which would collapse the economy anyway. A collapsing healthcare system means a death toll far in excess of what Corona is causing directly, because no one receives proper care.

Bentham is neither right nor wrong. The question is whether you would want to live in a society governed by his principle. It is entirely destructive of individual rights. If a large majority of the country is happier in case white males over 60 are to be euthanized because they are a drag on the health of the body politic, they are doomed. Under Bentham's principle, they have no recourse.

Finally, Bentham's sentence is short enough, but still you don't read it correctly. It doesn't read "the happiness of the greatest number", but "the greatest happiness of the greatest number". The difference is salient: The question to be answered isn't, "Are you happy with the situation as it is now?" The question is, "Would you be happier without a shutdown, and your children's, your own, and your parents' lives at risk?"

You have stated your case of shutdown being the only reasonable choice. However you are conveniently ignoring the massive destruction of our economy and way of life. You also ignore the very real consequences of deaths, destroyed marriages, starving children, lost jobs and lost businesses resulting from nationwide shutdowns.

Republicans have been ignoring the massive destruction of your economy and way of life since 1980. You also ignore the very real consequences of the loss of wages, health care, and other economic consequences of Republican employment and tax policy since 1981 on the American worker.

Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy family owned businesses and farms, in favour of corporate interests and concentration. Hopefully, Republicanism and it's destruction of the American worker will end, and people will start to get decent wages, employee protections, and single payer health care.

If the American economic corporatist model is destroyed by this virus, I will consider it to be a blessing.

Your response does not address the subject of the thread at all. In addition it is wrong. I'll use myself as an example. I and many of my friends who entered the workforce with the first Reagan administration around 1980 have had very successful lives and we are all retired and were fortunate enough to exceed our parents financially. How does that happen with Republicans destroying the American dream? It is the Democrats who weigh down the small business owner with regulation after regulation, Obama being a prime example. If you only listen to Liberal economists, I can see how you have that opinion. But they and you are wrong.

 

[Dragonlady]

Jeremy Bentham was an English philosopher and he wrote this back in the 1700s. "It is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong." This is kind of where we are at with the virus IMO. There is no perfect, feel good solution where everybody goes home with a trophy this time. People are dying and will keep dying. Businesses are failing and more will fail. Workers have lost their jobs and more will lose their jobs. It all sucks to a degree we can't quite fathom yet.

But if we believe Mr. Bentham is correct, then to me that means we need to open the country now. That is because the greatest number of Americans are suffering to protect the fewest number of Americans. And beyond that, NEITHER group is happy. That is the worst of all possible worlds. We can and will do our best to protect the weakest among us, but this little bugger is going to eventually find it's way into every corner of the country. So open the country now.

That's my opinion, what do you think? Is Jeremy Bentham right or wrong? Does his statement apply to our situation? Why or why not? Let's see who can state their view in a cogent, logical manner.

Yours is a false choice. In reality, it's this:

A: Shut it down now, reduce the case count to a manageable number so as to buy time until a cure is found.

B: Open up, and incur a staggering death toll, an overwhelmed, collapsing healthcare system, and folks not going out to consume because it is too dangerous, which would collapse the economy anyway. A collapsing healthcare system means a death toll far in excess of what Corona is causing directly, because no one receives proper care.

Bentham is neither right nor wrong. The question is whether you would want to live in a society governed by his principle. It is entirely destructive of individual rights. If a large majority of the country is happier in case white males over 60 are to be euthanized because they are a drag on the health of the body politic, they are doomed. Under Bentham's principle, they have no recourse.

Finally, Bentham's sentence is short enough, but still you don't read it correctly. It doesn't read "the happiness of the greatest number", but "the greatest happiness of the greatest number". The difference is salient: The question to be answered isn't, "Are you happy with the situation as it is now?" The question is, "Would you be happier without a shutdown, and your children's, your own, and your parents' lives at risk?"

You have stated your case of shutdown being the only reasonable choice. However you are conveniently ignoring the massive destruction of our economy and way of life. You also ignore the very real consequences of deaths, destroyed marriages, starving children, lost jobs and lost businesses resulting from nationwide shutdowns.

Republicans have been ignoring the massive destruction of your economy and way of life since 1980. You also ignore the very real consequences of the loss of wages, health care, and other economic consequences of Republican employment and tax policy since 1981 on the American worker.

Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy family owned businesses and farms, in favour of corporate interests and concentration. Hopefully, Republicanism and it's destruction of the American worker will end, and people will start to get decent wages, employee protections, and single payer health care.

If the American economic corporatist model is destroyed by this virus, I will consider it to be a blessing.

Your response does not address the subject of the thread at all. In addition it is wrong. I'll use myself as an example. I and many of my friends who entered the workforce with the first Reagan administration around 1980 have had very successful lives and we are all retired and were fortunate enough to exceed our parents financially. How does that happen with Republicans destroying the American dream? It is the Democrats who weigh down the small business owner with regulation after regulation, Obama being a prime example. If you only listen to Liberal economists, I can see how you have that opinion. But they and you are wrong.

What you're saying is that you're fine, you're friends are fine, so I'm wrong. The rest of the nation could not possibly be suffering, as a result so everything is hunky dory.

In the meantime we have all of these statistics that say otherwise, and 40% of working Americans say they are worse off. Trump is killing family farms and mom and pop businesses while McConnell is trying to shovel as much money as possible to big corporations in this mess.

I've followed your posts on this board, and you're one of those guys who pretends to know about the economy, but as your post illustrates, you don't have a clue. You got yours and screw everyone else.