Israel’s Secret Plan for a "Second Israel" in Ukraine

[Daniyel]

Hilarious, again the same depraved morons making some anti Israeli post regarding the conflict!
Good job suckers you are so pathetic I feel kinda bad to laugh at you but I can't hold it inside anymore

 

[docmauser1]

你吸傢伙出於選擇

Our honorable fanger is thereby invited to go on tripping all over himself in tripppin' alleged "Non English" speakers up. Bth., what was that toob drivel anyway?

 

[turzovka]

The role of Jewish figures and that of the State of Israel in the Ukrainian crisis has not gone unnoticed considering that this community represents less than 1 percent of the population. However, a secret report in the hands of the Netanyahu administration confirms that Ashkenazi Jews do not originate from the Levant, but are the descendants of the Khazars. This little-known population founded a Jewish empire in the tenth century on the banks of the Black Sea. Therefore, some Zionists see in Ukraine a possible second Israel.

The Times of Israel, an independent Israeli newspaper that counts among its staff a number of former reporters for the Israeli daily Ha’aretz, published a fascinating but largely overlooked story datelined Jerusalem and Zhitomir, Ukraine, March 16, 2014, and which was written by its respective Russian and Ukrainian correspondents, Hirsh Ostropoler and I. Z. Grosser-Spass, citing a secret report provided to the Israeli government [1]. The report, written by a select panel of scholars of Jewish history drawn from academia and other research centers, concluded that that European Jews are in fact descended from Khazars, a war-like Mongol-Tatar group that ruled over Ukraine and southern Russia, which mass-converted to Judaism in the eighth century AD.

Zionists have long argued that the land claimed by Israel was the biblical birthright of the Jewish people who were forced from the land in a so-called «diaspora» after repeated conquests by various empires. Proof that Ashkenazi Jews, which make up a majority of the Israeli Jewish population, have no historical link to Palestine would call into question the entire premise of Israel as the historical «5,000-year old» homeland of the Jewish people.

The Israeli journalists noted that any conversation of the Khazars and modern Israel has always been met with disdain by Israeli leaders. They quote Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir as once saying, «Khazar, Schmazar. There is no Khazar people. I knew no Khazars. In Kiev. Or Milwaukee. Show me these Khazars of whom you speak». DNA proof that a migratory Khazar population from Europe is now claiming ancient roots in Palestine largely eliminates Zionist claims to the region.
Israel s Secret Plan for a Second Israel in Ukraine by Wayne Madsen
Leaked report Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine Jim Wald The Blogs The Times of Israel
Fancy that

Who cares if there is Biblical claims to the land or not? There never was a nation of Palestine. Never. After the Jews were forcefully removed from their nation by the Romans it then became mostly a wasteland occupied by Bedouins and some other Arabs and some Jews and some Europeans and some Africans. Nobody ever turned that land into a sovereign nation. For the past 400 years it was under Ottoman Turkish rule, part of an even far lager territory which included other non-nations where parts of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc. now reside.

So then what? Then Jews moved in in the early part of the 20th century and purchased worthless tracks of land from the Ottoman Turks and from absentee wealthy Arab land owners mostly living in Egypt. They PURCHASED the land and it was no one else's. So what is anyone's point here?

Oh, yes, the vast majority of what many call "Palestinians" only began to move into that land after the Jews developed it and fostered a wonderful economy where these Arab people could make a living. These so called Palestinians were actually immigrants from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc. Interesting is it not? Interesting that nobody cares about the truth except to vilify the Jews.

I can understand an Arab or Muslim taking a prejudice stand against Jews. But

The Jews purchased almost nothing. Less than 7% of the land in Palestine was Jewish owned as late as 1946. The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims owned over 85% of the land as late as 1946. The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims are indigenous to Palestine, nowhere else.

All you are doing is spouting Zionist propaganda, all lies.

Y

The role of Jewish figures and that of the State of Israel in the Ukrainian crisis has not gone unnoticed considering that this community represents less than 1 percent of the population. However, a secret report in the hands of the Netanyahu administration confirms that Ashkenazi Jews do not originate from the Levant, but are the descendants of the Khazars. This little-known population founded a Jewish empire in the tenth century on the banks of the Black Sea. Therefore, some Zionists see in Ukraine a possible second Israel.

The Times of Israel, an independent Israeli newspaper that counts among its staff a number of former reporters for the Israeli daily Ha’aretz, published a fascinating but largely overlooked story datelined Jerusalem and Zhitomir, Ukraine, March 16, 2014, and which was written by its respective Russian and Ukrainian correspondents, Hirsh Ostropoler and I. Z. Grosser-Spass, citing a secret report provided to the Israeli government [1]. The report, written by a select panel of scholars of Jewish history drawn from academia and other research centers, concluded that that European Jews are in fact descended from Khazars, a war-like Mongol-Tatar group that ruled over Ukraine and southern Russia, which mass-converted to Judaism in the eighth century AD.

Zionists have long argued that the land claimed by Israel was the biblical birthright of the Jewish people who were forced from the land in a so-called «diaspora» after repeated conquests by various empires. Proof that Ashkenazi Jews, which make up a majority of the Israeli Jewish population, have no historical link to Palestine would call into question the entire premise of Israel as the historical «5,000-year old» homeland of the Jewish people.

The Israeli journalists noted that any conversation of the Khazars and modern Israel has always been met with disdain by Israeli leaders. They quote Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir as once saying, «Khazar, Schmazar. There is no Khazar people. I knew no Khazars. In Kiev. Or Milwaukee. Show me these Khazars of whom you speak». DNA proof that a migratory Khazar population from Europe is now claiming ancient roots in Palestine largely eliminates Zionist claims to the region.
Israel s Secret Plan for a Second Israel in Ukraine by Wayne Madsen
Leaked report Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine Jim Wald The Blogs The Times of Israel
Fancy that

Who cares if there is Biblical claims to the land or not? There never was a nation of Palestine. Never. After the Jews were forcefully removed from their nation by the Romans it then became mostly a wasteland occupied by Bedouins and some other Arabs and some Jews and some Europeans and some Africans. Nobody ever turned that land into a sovereign nation. For the past 400 years it was under Ottoman Turkish rule, part of an even far lager territory which included other non-nations where parts of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc. now reside.

So then what? Then Jews moved in in the early part of the 20th century and purchased worthless tracks of land from the Ottoman Turks and from absentee wealthy Arab land owners mostly living in Egypt. They PURCHASED the land and it was no one else's. So what is anyone's point here?

Oh, yes, the vast majority of what many call "Palestinians" only began to move into that land after the Jews developed it and fostered a wonderful economy where these Arab people could make a living. These so called Palestinians were actually immigrants from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc. Interesting is it not? Interesting that nobody cares about the truth except to vilify the Jews.

That bolded part above is so untrue. The thing about Jews is they take over every country they invade.

Care to argue?

The Arabs in Palestine Jewish Virtual Library

A Population Boom
As Hussein foresaw, the regeneration of Palestine, and the growth of its population, came only after Jews returned in massive numbers. The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.

This rapid growth was a result of several factors. One was immigration from neighboring states — constituting 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel — by Arabs who wanted to take advantage of the higher standard of living the Jews had made possible. The Arab population also grew because of the improved living conditions created by the Jews as they drained malarial swamps and brought improved sanitation and health care to the region. Thus, for example, the Muslim infant mortality rate fell from 201 per thousand in 1925 to 94 per thousand in 1945 and life expectancy rose from 37 years in 1926 to 49 in 1943.

The Arab population increased the most in cities with large Jewish populations that had created new economic opportunities. From 1922 - 1947, the non-Jewish population increased 290 percent in Haifa, 131 percent in Jerusalem and 158 percent in Jaffa. The growth in Arab towns was more modest: 42 percent in Nablus, 78 percent in Jenin and 37 percent in Bethlehem.

Jewish Land Purchases
Despite the growth in their population, the Arabs continued to assert they were being displaced. The truth is from the beginning of World War I, part of Palestine's land was owned by absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. About 80 percent of the Palestinian Arabs were debt-ridden peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins. Jews actually went out of their way to avoid purchasing land in areas where Arabs might be displaced. They sought land that was largely uncultivated, swampy, cheap and, most important, without tenants. In 1920, Labor Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion expressed his concern about the Arab fellahin, whom he viewed as "the most important asset of the native population." Ben-Gurion said "under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them." He advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. "Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement," Ben-Gurion added, "should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price."
It was only after the Jews had bought all of this available land that they began to purchase cultivated land. Many Arabs were willing to sell because of the migration to coastal towns and because they needed money to invest in the citrus industry.

When John Hope Simpson arrived in Palestine in May 1930, he observed: "They [Jews] paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay."

In 1931, Lewis French conducted a survey of landlessness and eventually offered new plots to any Arabs who had been "dispossessed." British officials received more than 3,000 applications, of which 80 percent were ruled invalid by the Government's legal adviser because the applicants were not landless Arabs. This left only about 600 landless Arabs, 100 of whom accepted the Government land offer.

In April 1936, a new outbreak of Arab attacks on Jews was instigated by a Syrian guerrilla named Fawzi al-Qawukji, the commander of the Arab Liberation Army. By November, when the British finally sent a new commission headed by Lord Peel to investigate, 89 Jews had been killed and more than 300 wounded.

The Peel Commission's report found that Arab complaints about Jewish land acquisition were baseless. It pointed out that "much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when it was purchased....there was at the time of the earlier sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the resources or training needed to develop the land." Moreover, the Commission found the shortage was "due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population." The report concluded that the presence of Jews in Palestine, along with the work of the British Administration, had resulted in higher wages, an improved standard of living and ample employment opportunities.

In his memoirs, Transjordan's King Abdullah wrote:
It is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping (author's emphasis).

Even at the height of the Arab revolt in 1938, the British High Commissioner to Palestine believed the Arab landowners were complaining about sales to Jews to drive up prices for lands they wished to sell. Many Arab landowners had been so terrorized by Arab rebels they decided to leave Palestine and sell their property to the Jews.

The Jews were paying exorbitant prices to wealthy landowners for small tracts of arid land. "In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre."

By 1947, Jewish holdings in Palestine amounted to about 463,000 acres. Approximately 45,000 of these acres were acquired from the Mandatory Government; 30,000 were bought from various churches and 387,500 were purchased from Arabs. Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1948 show that 73 percent of Jewish plots were purchased from large landowners, not poor fellahin. Those who sold land included the mayors of Gaza, Jerusalem and Jaffa. As'ad elShuqeiri, a Muslim religious scholar and father of PLO chairman Ahmed Shuqeiri, took Jewish money for his land. Even King Abdullah leased land to the Jews. In fact, many leaders of the Arab nationalist movement, including members of the Muslim Supreme Council, sold land to Jews.

Argue with a propaganda piece? Why not, how about the facts from source documentation? From the 1946 Survey of Palestine published in 1946 by the Mandatory's Anglo-American Commission. Available for download at the Berman Jewish Policy Archive (I try to use Jewish sites to avoid claims of partiality).

Home Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Note the key conclusion of the survey: of 414,456 migrants to Palestine from 1920 thru 1946 376,415 were Jews and 38,041 were non-Jews.

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There are some jewish sources far more critical of their own people than any Arab or secular or U.N. rep could ever attempt. That much I give you. But try as you might to sell your one document as factual, flies in the face of 50 others that put the Palesitinian-Arab immigration and population to far, far higher levels than your stats. Even Wikipedia (no friend of Israel, unless you want to contest that as well?) has Arab immigrants between 1922 and 1946 to the land called Palestine to be 400,000 - 500,000 very similar to Jewish numbers. Demographic history of Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia What on earth you are posting above has no bearing to the truth, imo.

Go count the people in the land in 1947. How do you get a 1.2 million Arabs if only a few thousand came in the previous 25 years if there were only 600,000 or so prior to that? IOW, your source is biased or simply bunk when put up against scores of non-Jewish sources doing similar research and counts. (note: I admit I quoted some round numbers above from memory, too discouraged to care to find direct quotes.)

Might be worthwhile to note this: By and large, Arab sources on any historical event or fact in that region are filled with propaganda, embellishments, demagoguery and outright lies. And, yes, it is easy to prove. Go disprove all of the sources the Jewish Virtural Library meticulously sites in their many, many documents. I will listen.

I am personally tired of it all. The U.N. is a lying cowardly institution who has vilified Israel ever since Israel dared be at peace in the 40's. Shame on me for even arguing with those who insist on remaining blind or at war.

 

[montelatici]

The role of Jewish figures and that of the State of Israel in the Ukrainian crisis has not gone unnoticed considering that this community represents less than 1 percent of the population. However, a secret report in the hands of the Netanyahu administration confirms that Ashkenazi Jews do not originate from the Levant, but are the descendants of the Khazars. This little-known population founded a Jewish empire in the tenth century on the banks of the Black Sea. Therefore, some Zionists see in Ukraine a possible second Israel.

The Times of Israel, an independent Israeli newspaper that counts among its staff a number of former reporters for the Israeli daily Ha’aretz, published a fascinating but largely overlooked story datelined Jerusalem and Zhitomir, Ukraine, March 16, 2014, and which was written by its respective Russian and Ukrainian correspondents, Hirsh Ostropoler and I. Z. Grosser-Spass, citing a secret report provided to the Israeli government [1]. The report, written by a select panel of scholars of Jewish history drawn from academia and other research centers, concluded that that European Jews are in fact descended from Khazars, a war-like Mongol-Tatar group that ruled over Ukraine and southern Russia, which mass-converted to Judaism in the eighth century AD.

Zionists have long argued that the land claimed by Israel was the biblical birthright of the Jewish people who were forced from the land in a so-called «diaspora» after repeated conquests by various empires. Proof that Ashkenazi Jews, which make up a majority of the Israeli Jewish population, have no historical link to Palestine would call into question the entire premise of Israel as the historical «5,000-year old» homeland of the Jewish people.

The Israeli journalists noted that any conversation of the Khazars and modern Israel has always been met with disdain by Israeli leaders. They quote Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir as once saying, «Khazar, Schmazar. There is no Khazar people. I knew no Khazars. In Kiev. Or Milwaukee. Show me these Khazars of whom you speak». DNA proof that a migratory Khazar population from Europe is now claiming ancient roots in Palestine largely eliminates Zionist claims to the region.
Israel s Secret Plan for a Second Israel in Ukraine by Wayne Madsen
Leaked report Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine Jim Wald The Blogs The Times of Israel
Fancy that

Who cares if there is Biblical claims to the land or not? There never was a nation of Palestine. Never. After the Jews were forcefully removed from their nation by the Romans it then became mostly a wasteland occupied by Bedouins and some other Arabs and some Jews and some Europeans and some Africans. Nobody ever turned that land into a sovereign nation. For the past 400 years it was under Ottoman Turkish rule, part of an even far lager territory which included other non-nations where parts of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc. now reside.

So then what? Then Jews moved in in the early part of the 20th century and purchased worthless tracks of land from the Ottoman Turks and from absentee wealthy Arab land owners mostly living in Egypt. They PURCHASED the land and it was no one else's. So what is anyone's point here?

Oh, yes, the vast majority of what many call "Palestinians" only began to move into that land after the Jews developed it and fostered a wonderful economy where these Arab people could make a living. These so called Palestinians were actually immigrants from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc. Interesting is it not? Interesting that nobody cares about the truth except to vilify the Jews.

I can understand an Arab or Muslim taking a prejudice stand against Jews. But

The Jews purchased almost nothing. Less than 7% of the land in Palestine was Jewish owned as late as 1946. The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims owned over 85% of the land as late as 1946. The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims are indigenous to Palestine, nowhere else.

All you are doing is spouting Zionist propaganda, all lies.

Y

The role of Jewish figures and that of the State of Israel in the Ukrainian crisis has not gone unnoticed considering that this community represents less than 1 percent of the population. However, a secret report in the hands of the Netanyahu administration confirms that Ashkenazi Jews do not originate from the Levant, but are the descendants of the Khazars. This little-known population founded a Jewish empire in the tenth century on the banks of the Black Sea. Therefore, some Zionists see in Ukraine a possible second Israel.

The Times of Israel, an independent Israeli newspaper that counts among its staff a number of former reporters for the Israeli daily Ha’aretz, published a fascinating but largely overlooked story datelined Jerusalem and Zhitomir, Ukraine, March 16, 2014, and which was written by its respective Russian and Ukrainian correspondents, Hirsh Ostropoler and I. Z. Grosser-Spass, citing a secret report provided to the Israeli government [1]. The report, written by a select panel of scholars of Jewish history drawn from academia and other research centers, concluded that that European Jews are in fact descended from Khazars, a war-like Mongol-Tatar group that ruled over Ukraine and southern Russia, which mass-converted to Judaism in the eighth century AD.

Zionists have long argued that the land claimed by Israel was the biblical birthright of the Jewish people who were forced from the land in a so-called «diaspora» after repeated conquests by various empires. Proof that Ashkenazi Jews, which make up a majority of the Israeli Jewish population, have no historical link to Palestine would call into question the entire premise of Israel as the historical «5,000-year old» homeland of the Jewish people.

The Israeli journalists noted that any conversation of the Khazars and modern Israel has always been met with disdain by Israeli leaders. They quote Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir as once saying, «Khazar, Schmazar. There is no Khazar people. I knew no Khazars. In Kiev. Or Milwaukee. Show me these Khazars of whom you speak». DNA proof that a migratory Khazar population from Europe is now claiming ancient roots in Palestine largely eliminates Zionist claims to the region.
Israel s Secret Plan for a Second Israel in Ukraine by Wayne Madsen
Leaked report Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine Jim Wald The Blogs The Times of Israel
Fancy that

Who cares if there is Biblical claims to the land or not? There never was a nation of Palestine. Never. After the Jews were forcefully removed from their nation by the Romans it then became mostly a wasteland occupied by Bedouins and some other Arabs and some Jews and some Europeans and some Africans. Nobody ever turned that land into a sovereign nation. For the past 400 years it was under Ottoman Turkish rule, part of an even far lager territory which included other non-nations where parts of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc. now reside.

So then what? Then Jews moved in in the early part of the 20th century and purchased worthless tracks of land from the Ottoman Turks and from absentee wealthy Arab land owners mostly living in Egypt. They PURCHASED the land and it was no one else's. So what is anyone's point here?

Oh, yes, the vast majority of what many call "Palestinians" only began to move into that land after the Jews developed it and fostered a wonderful economy where these Arab people could make a living. These so called Palestinians were actually immigrants from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc. Interesting is it not? Interesting that nobody cares about the truth except to vilify the Jews.

That bolded part above is so untrue. The thing about Jews is they take over every country they invade.

Care to argue?

The Arabs in Palestine Jewish Virtual Library

A Population Boom
As Hussein foresaw, the regeneration of Palestine, and the growth of its population, came only after Jews returned in massive numbers. The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.

This rapid growth was a result of several factors. One was immigration from neighboring states — constituting 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel — by Arabs who wanted to take advantage of the higher standard of living the Jews had made possible. The Arab population also grew because of the improved living conditions created by the Jews as they drained malarial swamps and brought improved sanitation and health care to the region. Thus, for example, the Muslim infant mortality rate fell from 201 per thousand in 1925 to 94 per thousand in 1945 and life expectancy rose from 37 years in 1926 to 49 in 1943.

The Arab population increased the most in cities with large Jewish populations that had created new economic opportunities. From 1922 - 1947, the non-Jewish population increased 290 percent in Haifa, 131 percent in Jerusalem and 158 percent in Jaffa. The growth in Arab towns was more modest: 42 percent in Nablus, 78 percent in Jenin and 37 percent in Bethlehem.

Jewish Land Purchases
Despite the growth in their population, the Arabs continued to assert they were being displaced. The truth is from the beginning of World War I, part of Palestine's land was owned by absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. About 80 percent of the Palestinian Arabs were debt-ridden peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins. Jews actually went out of their way to avoid purchasing land in areas where Arabs might be displaced. They sought land that was largely uncultivated, swampy, cheap and, most important, without tenants. In 1920, Labor Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion expressed his concern about the Arab fellahin, whom he viewed as "the most important asset of the native population." Ben-Gurion said "under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them." He advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. "Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement," Ben-Gurion added, "should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price."
It was only after the Jews had bought all of this available land that they began to purchase cultivated land. Many Arabs were willing to sell because of the migration to coastal towns and because they needed money to invest in the citrus industry.

When John Hope Simpson arrived in Palestine in May 1930, he observed: "They [Jews] paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay."

In 1931, Lewis French conducted a survey of landlessness and eventually offered new plots to any Arabs who had been "dispossessed." British officials received more than 3,000 applications, of which 80 percent were ruled invalid by the Government's legal adviser because the applicants were not landless Arabs. This left only about 600 landless Arabs, 100 of whom accepted the Government land offer.

In April 1936, a new outbreak of Arab attacks on Jews was instigated by a Syrian guerrilla named Fawzi al-Qawukji, the commander of the Arab Liberation Army. By November, when the British finally sent a new commission headed by Lord Peel to investigate, 89 Jews had been killed and more than 300 wounded.

The Peel Commission's report found that Arab complaints about Jewish land acquisition were baseless. It pointed out that "much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when it was purchased....there was at the time of the earlier sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the resources or training needed to develop the land." Moreover, the Commission found the shortage was "due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population." The report concluded that the presence of Jews in Palestine, along with the work of the British Administration, had resulted in higher wages, an improved standard of living and ample employment opportunities.

In his memoirs, Transjordan's King Abdullah wrote:
It is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping (author's emphasis).

Even at the height of the Arab revolt in 1938, the British High Commissioner to Palestine believed the Arab landowners were complaining about sales to Jews to drive up prices for lands they wished to sell. Many Arab landowners had been so terrorized by Arab rebels they decided to leave Palestine and sell their property to the Jews.

The Jews were paying exorbitant prices to wealthy landowners for small tracts of arid land. "In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre."

By 1947, Jewish holdings in Palestine amounted to about 463,000 acres. Approximately 45,000 of these acres were acquired from the Mandatory Government; 30,000 were bought from various churches and 387,500 were purchased from Arabs. Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1948 show that 73 percent of Jewish plots were purchased from large landowners, not poor fellahin. Those who sold land included the mayors of Gaza, Jerusalem and Jaffa. As'ad elShuqeiri, a Muslim religious scholar and father of PLO chairman Ahmed Shuqeiri, took Jewish money for his land. Even King Abdullah leased land to the Jews. In fact, many leaders of the Arab nationalist movement, including members of the Muslim Supreme Council, sold land to Jews.

Argue with a propaganda piece? Why not, how about the facts from source documentation? From the 1946 Survey of Palestine published in 1946 by the Mandatory's Anglo-American Commission. Available for download at the Berman Jewish Policy Archive (I try to use Jewish sites to avoid claims of partiality).

Home Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Note the key conclusion of the survey: of 414,456 migrants to Palestine from 1920 thru 1946 376,415 were Jews and 38,041 were non-Jews.

View attachment 34921

There are some jewish sources far more critical of their own people than any Arab or secular or U.N. rep could ever attempt. That much I give you. But try as you might to sell your one document as factual, flies in the face of 50 others that put the Palesitinian-Arab immigration and population to far, far higher levels than your stats. Even Wikipedia (no friend of Israel, unless you want to contest that as well?) has Arab immigrants between 1922 and 1946 to the land called Palestine to be 400,000 - 500,000 very similar to Jewish numbers. Demographic history of Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia What on earth you are posting above has no bearing to the truth, imo.

Go count the people in the land in 1947. How do you get a 1.2 million Arabs if only a few thousand came in the previous 25 years if there were only 600,000 or so prior to that? IOW, your source is biased or simply bunk when put up against scores of non-Jewish sources doing similar research and counts. (note: I admit I quoted some round numbers above from memory, too discouraged to care to find direct quotes.)

Might be worthwhile to note this: By and large, Arab sources on any historical event or fact in that region are filled with propaganda, embellishments, demagoguery and outright lies. And, yes, it is easy to prove. Go disprove all of the sources the Jewish Virtural Library meticulously sites in their many, many documents. I will listen.

I am personally tired of it all. The U.N. is a lying cowardly institution who has vilified Israel ever since Israel dared be at peace in the 40's. Shame on me for even arguing with those who insist on remaining blind or at war.

Using a Zionist propaganda site to prove any point is sheer stupidity. The Jewish Virtual Library is a Zionist propaganda site.

The source documents prepared by the Mandatory (Britain) with the assistance of the U.S. in the case of the 1946 Survey of Palestine depicts facts compiled by professionals. There is a thing called natural population growth. Given that both Christians and Muslims in Palestine averaged 5-6 children per family figure it out. Population could easily more than double from 1920 to 1946.

The UN was the organization that committed the original sin, creating Israel by stealing land from the rightful owners and giving it to invading Europeans. I don't know where you get off on criticizing it.

You have been fed so much Zionist propaganda that when you see the facts you are flabbergasted. Understandable.

 

[toastman]

The role of Jewish figures and that of the State of Israel in the Ukrainian crisis has not gone unnoticed considering that this community represents less than 1 percent of the population. However, a secret report in the hands of the Netanyahu administration confirms that Ashkenazi Jews do not originate from the Levant, but are the descendants of the Khazars. This little-known population founded a Jewish empire in the tenth century on the banks of the Black Sea. Therefore, some Zionists see in Ukraine a possible second Israel.

The Times of Israel, an independent Israeli newspaper that counts among its staff a number of former reporters for the Israeli daily Ha’aretz, published a fascinating but largely overlooked story datelined Jerusalem and Zhitomir, Ukraine, March 16, 2014, and which was written by its respective Russian and Ukrainian correspondents, Hirsh Ostropoler and I. Z. Grosser-Spass, citing a secret report provided to the Israeli government [1]. The report, written by a select panel of scholars of Jewish history drawn from academia and other research centers, concluded that that European Jews are in fact descended from Khazars, a war-like Mongol-Tatar group that ruled over Ukraine and southern Russia, which mass-converted to Judaism in the eighth century AD.

Zionists have long argued that the land claimed by Israel was the biblical birthright of the Jewish people who were forced from the land in a so-called «diaspora» after repeated conquests by various empires. Proof that Ashkenazi Jews, which make up a majority of the Israeli Jewish population, have no historical link to Palestine would call into question the entire premise of Israel as the historical «5,000-year old» homeland of the Jewish people.

The Israeli journalists noted that any conversation of the Khazars and modern Israel has always been met with disdain by Israeli leaders. They quote Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir as once saying, «Khazar, Schmazar. There is no Khazar people. I knew no Khazars. In Kiev. Or Milwaukee. Show me these Khazars of whom you speak». DNA proof that a migratory Khazar population from Europe is now claiming ancient roots in Palestine largely eliminates Zionist claims to the region.
Israel s Secret Plan for a Second Israel in Ukraine by Wayne Madsen
Leaked report Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine Jim Wald The Blogs The Times of Israel
Fancy that

Who cares if there is Biblical claims to the land or not? There never was a nation of Palestine. Never. After the Jews were forcefully removed from their nation by the Romans it then became mostly a wasteland occupied by Bedouins and some other Arabs and some Jews and some Europeans and some Africans. Nobody ever turned that land into a sovereign nation. For the past 400 years it was under Ottoman Turkish rule, part of an even far lager territory which included other non-nations where parts of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc. now reside.

So then what? Then Jews moved in in the early part of the 20th century and purchased worthless tracks of land from the Ottoman Turks and from absentee wealthy Arab land owners mostly living in Egypt. They PURCHASED the land and it was no one else's. So what is anyone's point here?

Oh, yes, the vast majority of what many call "Palestinians" only began to move into that land after the Jews developed it and fostered a wonderful economy where these Arab people could make a living. These so called Palestinians were actually immigrants from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc. Interesting is it not? Interesting that nobody cares about the truth except to vilify the Jews.

I can understand an Arab or Muslim taking a prejudice stand against Jews. But

The Jews purchased almost nothing. Less than 7% of the land in Palestine was Jewish owned as late as 1946. The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims owned over 85% of the land as late as 1946. The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims are indigenous to Palestine, nowhere else.

All you are doing is spouting Zionist propaganda, all lies.

Y

Who cares if there is Biblical claims to the land or not? There never was a nation of Palestine. Never. After the Jews were forcefully removed from their nation by the Romans it then became mostly a wasteland occupied by Bedouins and some other Arabs and some Jews and some Europeans and some Africans. Nobody ever turned that land into a sovereign nation. For the past 400 years it was under Ottoman Turkish rule, part of an even far lager territory which included other non-nations where parts of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc. now reside.

So then what? Then Jews moved in in the early part of the 20th century and purchased worthless tracks of land from the Ottoman Turks and from absentee wealthy Arab land owners mostly living in Egypt. They PURCHASED the land and it was no one else's. So what is anyone's point here?

Oh, yes, the vast majority of what many call "Palestinians" only began to move into that land after the Jews developed it and fostered a wonderful economy where these Arab people could make a living. These so called Palestinians were actually immigrants from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc. Interesting is it not? Interesting that nobody cares about the truth except to vilify the Jews.

That bolded part above is so untrue. The thing about Jews is they take over every country they invade.

Care to argue?

The Arabs in Palestine Jewish Virtual Library

A Population Boom
As Hussein foresaw, the regeneration of Palestine, and the growth of its population, came only after Jews returned in massive numbers. The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.

This rapid growth was a result of several factors. One was immigration from neighboring states — constituting 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel — by Arabs who wanted to take advantage of the higher standard of living the Jews had made possible. The Arab population also grew because of the improved living conditions created by the Jews as they drained malarial swamps and brought improved sanitation and health care to the region. Thus, for example, the Muslim infant mortality rate fell from 201 per thousand in 1925 to 94 per thousand in 1945 and life expectancy rose from 37 years in 1926 to 49 in 1943.

The Arab population increased the most in cities with large Jewish populations that had created new economic opportunities. From 1922 - 1947, the non-Jewish population increased 290 percent in Haifa, 131 percent in Jerusalem and 158 percent in Jaffa. The growth in Arab towns was more modest: 42 percent in Nablus, 78 percent in Jenin and 37 percent in Bethlehem.

Jewish Land Purchases
Despite the growth in their population, the Arabs continued to assert they were being displaced. The truth is from the beginning of World War I, part of Palestine's land was owned by absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. About 80 percent of the Palestinian Arabs were debt-ridden peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins. Jews actually went out of their way to avoid purchasing land in areas where Arabs might be displaced. They sought land that was largely uncultivated, swampy, cheap and, most important, without tenants. In 1920, Labor Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion expressed his concern about the Arab fellahin, whom he viewed as "the most important asset of the native population." Ben-Gurion said "under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them." He advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. "Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement," Ben-Gurion added, "should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price."
It was only after the Jews had bought all of this available land that they began to purchase cultivated land. Many Arabs were willing to sell because of the migration to coastal towns and because they needed money to invest in the citrus industry.

When John Hope Simpson arrived in Palestine in May 1930, he observed: "They [Jews] paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay."

In 1931, Lewis French conducted a survey of landlessness and eventually offered new plots to any Arabs who had been "dispossessed." British officials received more than 3,000 applications, of which 80 percent were ruled invalid by the Government's legal adviser because the applicants were not landless Arabs. This left only about 600 landless Arabs, 100 of whom accepted the Government land offer.

In April 1936, a new outbreak of Arab attacks on Jews was instigated by a Syrian guerrilla named Fawzi al-Qawukji, the commander of the Arab Liberation Army. By November, when the British finally sent a new commission headed by Lord Peel to investigate, 89 Jews had been killed and more than 300 wounded.

The Peel Commission's report found that Arab complaints about Jewish land acquisition were baseless. It pointed out that "much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when it was purchased....there was at the time of the earlier sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the resources or training needed to develop the land." Moreover, the Commission found the shortage was "due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population." The report concluded that the presence of Jews in Palestine, along with the work of the British Administration, had resulted in higher wages, an improved standard of living and ample employment opportunities.

In his memoirs, Transjordan's King Abdullah wrote:
It is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping (author's emphasis).

Even at the height of the Arab revolt in 1938, the British High Commissioner to Palestine believed the Arab landowners were complaining about sales to Jews to drive up prices for lands they wished to sell. Many Arab landowners had been so terrorized by Arab rebels they decided to leave Palestine and sell their property to the Jews.

The Jews were paying exorbitant prices to wealthy landowners for small tracts of arid land. "In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre."

By 1947, Jewish holdings in Palestine amounted to about 463,000 acres. Approximately 45,000 of these acres were acquired from the Mandatory Government; 30,000 were bought from various churches and 387,500 were purchased from Arabs. Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1948 show that 73 percent of Jewish plots were purchased from large landowners, not poor fellahin. Those who sold land included the mayors of Gaza, Jerusalem and Jaffa. As'ad elShuqeiri, a Muslim religious scholar and father of PLO chairman Ahmed Shuqeiri, took Jewish money for his land. Even King Abdullah leased land to the Jews. In fact, many leaders of the Arab nationalist movement, including members of the Muslim Supreme Council, sold land to Jews.

Argue with a propaganda piece? Why not, how about the facts from source documentation? From the 1946 Survey of Palestine published in 1946 by the Mandatory's Anglo-American Commission. Available for download at the Berman Jewish Policy Archive (I try to use Jewish sites to avoid claims of partiality).

Home Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Note the key conclusion of the survey: of 414,456 migrants to Palestine from 1920 thru 1946 376,415 were Jews and 38,041 were non-Jews.

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There are some jewish sources far more critical of their own people than any Arab or secular or U.N. rep could ever attempt. That much I give you. But try as you might to sell your one document as factual, flies in the face of 50 others that put the Palesitinian-Arab immigration and population to far, far higher levels than your stats. Even Wikipedia (no friend of Israel, unless you want to contest that as well?) has Arab immigrants between 1922 and 1946 to the land called Palestine to be 400,000 - 500,000 very similar to Jewish numbers. Demographic history of Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia What on earth you are posting above has no bearing to the truth, imo.

Go count the people in the land in 1947. How do you get a 1.2 million Arabs if only a few thousand came in the previous 25 years if there were only 600,000 or so prior to that? IOW, your source is biased or simply bunk when put up against scores of non-Jewish sources doing similar research and counts. (note: I admit I quoted some round numbers above from memory, too discouraged to care to find direct quotes.)

Might be worthwhile to note this: By and large, Arab sources on any historical event or fact in that region are filled with propaganda, embellishments, demagoguery and outright lies. And, yes, it is easy to prove. Go disprove all of the sources the Jewish Virtural Library meticulously sites in their many, many documents. I will listen.

I am personally tired of it all. The U.N. is a lying cowardly institution who has vilified Israel ever since Israel dared be at peace in the 40's. Shame on me for even arguing with those who insist on remaining blind or at war.

Using a Zionist propaganda site to prove any point is sheer stupidity. The Jewish Virtual Library is a Zionist propaganda site.

The source documents prepared by the Mandatory (Britain) with the assistance of the U.S. in the case of the 1946 Survey of Palestine depicts facts compiled by professionals. There is a thing called natural population growth. Given that both Christians and Muslims in Palestine averaged 5-6 children per family figure it out. Population could easily more than double from 1920 to 1946.

The UN was the organization that committed the original sin, creating Israel by stealing land from the rightful owners and giving it to invading Europeans. I don't know where you get off on criticizing it.

You have been fed so much Zionist propaganda that when you see the facts you are flabbergasted. Understandable.

Blah BLah Blah. All you do is complain about sources being used, yet you are never able to refute the article in question.

How many times do I have to tell you that since you are the king of propaganda, you cannot accuse others of posting propaganda?

 

[montelatici]

You are so full of shit. I would never quote Electronic Intifada yet you condone the use of the Jewish Virtual Library. What a scammer you are.

 

[toastman]

You are so full of shit. I would never quote Electronic Intifada yet you condone the use of the Jewish Virtual Library. What a scammer you are.

Read what I said again. All you do is whine about sources that people use, yet I NEVER see you refuting the article itself.

You've only been posting here a short time, yet you've managed to prove to everyone that you are a lying, full of shit EXPERT in propaganda. Good Job

 

[montelatici]

Why should I refute a propaganda site? I would not ask you to refute Electronic Intifafda. I only link to fact, from neutral academic or official sites like the UN or similar or Jewish sites like the Berman Jewish Policy Archive. have you ever linked to an Arab or Palestinian site?

 

[turzovka]

The role of Jewish figures and that of the State of Israel in the Ukrainian crisis has not gone unnoticed considering that this community represents less than 1 percent of the population. However, a secret report in the hands of the Netanyahu administration confirms that Ashkenazi Jews do not originate from the Levant, but are the descendants of the Khazars. This little-known population founded a Jewish empire in the tenth century on the banks of the Black Sea. Therefore, some Zionists see in Ukraine a possible second Israel.

The Times of Israel, an independent Israeli newspaper that counts among its staff a number of former reporters for the Israeli daily Ha’aretz, published a fascinating but largely overlooked story datelined Jerusalem and Zhitomir, Ukraine, March 16, 2014, and which was written by its respective Russian and Ukrainian correspondents, Hirsh Ostropoler and I. Z. Grosser-Spass, citing a secret report provided to the Israeli government [1]. The report, written by a select panel of scholars of Jewish history drawn from academia and other research centers, concluded that that European Jews are in fact descended from Khazars, a war-like Mongol-Tatar group that ruled over Ukraine and southern Russia, which mass-converted to Judaism in the eighth century AD.

Zionists have long argued that the land claimed by Israel was the biblical birthright of the Jewish people who were forced from the land in a so-called «diaspora» after repeated conquests by various empires. Proof that Ashkenazi Jews, which make up a majority of the Israeli Jewish population, have no historical link to Palestine would call into question the entire premise of Israel as the historical «5,000-year old» homeland of the Jewish people.

The Israeli journalists noted that any conversation of the Khazars and modern Israel has always been met with disdain by Israeli leaders. They quote Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir as once saying, «Khazar, Schmazar. There is no Khazar people. I knew no Khazars. In Kiev. Or Milwaukee. Show me these Khazars of whom you speak». DNA proof that a migratory Khazar population from Europe is now claiming ancient roots in Palestine largely eliminates Zionist claims to the region.
Israel s Secret Plan for a Second Israel in Ukraine by Wayne Madsen
Leaked report Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine Jim Wald The Blogs The Times of Israel
Fancy that

Who cares if there is Biblical claims to the land or not? There never was a nation of Palestine. Never. After the Jews were forcefully removed from their nation by the Romans it then became mostly a wasteland occupied by Bedouins and some other Arabs and some Jews and some Europeans and some Africans. Nobody ever turned that land into a sovereign nation. For the past 400 years it was under Ottoman Turkish rule, part of an even far lager territory which included other non-nations where parts of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc. now reside.

So then what? Then Jews moved in in the early part of the 20th century and purchased worthless tracks of land from the Ottoman Turks and from absentee wealthy Arab land owners mostly living in Egypt. They PURCHASED the land and it was no one else's. So what is anyone's point here?

Oh, yes, the vast majority of what many call "Palestinians" only began to move into that land after the Jews developed it and fostered a wonderful economy where these Arab people could make a living. These so called Palestinians were actually immigrants from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc. Interesting is it not? Interesting that nobody cares about the truth except to vilify the Jews.

I can understand an Arab or Muslim taking a prejudice stand against Jews. But

The Jews purchased almost nothing. Less than 7% of the land in Palestine was Jewish owned as late as 1946. The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims owned over 85% of the land as late as 1946. The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims are indigenous to Palestine, nowhere else.

All you are doing is spouting Zionist propaganda, all lies.

Y

Who cares if there is Biblical claims to the land or not? There never was a nation of Palestine. Never. After the Jews were forcefully removed from their nation by the Romans it then became mostly a wasteland occupied by Bedouins and some other Arabs and some Jews and some Europeans and some Africans. Nobody ever turned that land into a sovereign nation. For the past 400 years it was under Ottoman Turkish rule, part of an even far lager territory which included other non-nations where parts of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc. now reside.

So then what? Then Jews moved in in the early part of the 20th century and purchased worthless tracks of land from the Ottoman Turks and from absentee wealthy Arab land owners mostly living in Egypt. They PURCHASED the land and it was no one else's. So what is anyone's point here?

Oh, yes, the vast majority of what many call "Palestinians" only began to move into that land after the Jews developed it and fostered a wonderful economy where these Arab people could make a living. These so called Palestinians were actually immigrants from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc. Interesting is it not? Interesting that nobody cares about the truth except to vilify the Jews.

That bolded part above is so untrue. The thing about Jews is they take over every country they invade.

Care to argue?

The Arabs in Palestine Jewish Virtual Library

A Population Boom
As Hussein foresaw, the regeneration of Palestine, and the growth of its population, came only after Jews returned in massive numbers. The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.

This rapid growth was a result of several factors. One was immigration from neighboring states — constituting 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel — by Arabs who wanted to take advantage of the higher standard of living the Jews had made possible. The Arab population also grew because of the improved living conditions created by the Jews as they drained malarial swamps and brought improved sanitation and health care to the region. Thus, for example, the Muslim infant mortality rate fell from 201 per thousand in 1925 to 94 per thousand in 1945 and life expectancy rose from 37 years in 1926 to 49 in 1943.

The Arab population increased the most in cities with large Jewish populations that had created new economic opportunities. From 1922 - 1947, the non-Jewish population increased 290 percent in Haifa, 131 percent in Jerusalem and 158 percent in Jaffa. The growth in Arab towns was more modest: 42 percent in Nablus, 78 percent in Jenin and 37 percent in Bethlehem.

Jewish Land Purchases
Despite the growth in their population, the Arabs continued to assert they were being displaced. The truth is from the beginning of World War I, part of Palestine's land was owned by absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. About 80 percent of the Palestinian Arabs were debt-ridden peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins. Jews actually went out of their way to avoid purchasing land in areas where Arabs might be displaced. They sought land that was largely uncultivated, swampy, cheap and, most important, without tenants. In 1920, Labor Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion expressed his concern about the Arab fellahin, whom he viewed as "the most important asset of the native population." Ben-Gurion said "under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them." He advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. "Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement," Ben-Gurion added, "should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price."
It was only after the Jews had bought all of this available land that they began to purchase cultivated land. Many Arabs were willing to sell because of the migration to coastal towns and because they needed money to invest in the citrus industry.

When John Hope Simpson arrived in Palestine in May 1930, he observed: "They [Jews] paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay."

In 1931, Lewis French conducted a survey of landlessness and eventually offered new plots to any Arabs who had been "dispossessed." British officials received more than 3,000 applications, of which 80 percent were ruled invalid by the Government's legal adviser because the applicants were not landless Arabs. This left only about 600 landless Arabs, 100 of whom accepted the Government land offer.

In April 1936, a new outbreak of Arab attacks on Jews was instigated by a Syrian guerrilla named Fawzi al-Qawukji, the commander of the Arab Liberation Army. By November, when the British finally sent a new commission headed by Lord Peel to investigate, 89 Jews had been killed and more than 300 wounded.

The Peel Commission's report found that Arab complaints about Jewish land acquisition were baseless. It pointed out that "much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when it was purchased....there was at the time of the earlier sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the resources or training needed to develop the land." Moreover, the Commission found the shortage was "due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population." The report concluded that the presence of Jews in Palestine, along with the work of the British Administration, had resulted in higher wages, an improved standard of living and ample employment opportunities.

In his memoirs, Transjordan's King Abdullah wrote:
It is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping (author's emphasis).

Even at the height of the Arab revolt in 1938, the British High Commissioner to Palestine believed the Arab landowners were complaining about sales to Jews to drive up prices for lands they wished to sell. Many Arab landowners had been so terrorized by Arab rebels they decided to leave Palestine and sell their property to the Jews.

The Jews were paying exorbitant prices to wealthy landowners for small tracts of arid land. "In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre."

By 1947, Jewish holdings in Palestine amounted to about 463,000 acres. Approximately 45,000 of these acres were acquired from the Mandatory Government; 30,000 were bought from various churches and 387,500 were purchased from Arabs. Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1948 show that 73 percent of Jewish plots were purchased from large landowners, not poor fellahin. Those who sold land included the mayors of Gaza, Jerusalem and Jaffa. As'ad elShuqeiri, a Muslim religious scholar and father of PLO chairman Ahmed Shuqeiri, took Jewish money for his land. Even King Abdullah leased land to the Jews. In fact, many leaders of the Arab nationalist movement, including members of the Muslim Supreme Council, sold land to Jews.

Argue with a propaganda piece? Why not, how about the facts from source documentation? From the 1946 Survey of Palestine published in 1946 by the Mandatory's Anglo-American Commission. Available for download at the Berman Jewish Policy Archive (I try to use Jewish sites to avoid claims of partiality).

Home Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Note the key conclusion of the survey: of 414,456 migrants to Palestine from 1920 thru 1946 376,415 were Jews and 38,041 were non-Jews.

View attachment 34921

There are some jewish sources far more critical of their own people than any Arab or secular or U.N. rep could ever attempt. That much I give you. But try as you might to sell your one document as factual, flies in the face of 50 others that put the Palesitinian-Arab immigration and population to far, far higher levels than your stats. Even Wikipedia (no friend of Israel, unless you want to contest that as well?) has Arab immigrants between 1922 and 1946 to the land called Palestine to be 400,000 - 500,000 very similar to Jewish numbers. Demographic history of Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia What on earth you are posting above has no bearing to the truth, imo.

Go count the people in the land in 1947. How do you get a 1.2 million Arabs if only a few thousand came in the previous 25 years if there were only 600,000 or so prior to that? IOW, your source is biased or simply bunk when put up against scores of non-Jewish sources doing similar research and counts. (note: I admit I quoted some round numbers above from memory, too discouraged to care to find direct quotes.)

Might be worthwhile to note this: By and large, Arab sources on any historical event or fact in that region are filled with propaganda, embellishments, demagoguery and outright lies. And, yes, it is easy to prove. Go disprove all of the sources the Jewish Virtural Library meticulously sites in their many, many documents. I will listen.

I am personally tired of it all. The U.N. is a lying cowardly institution who has vilified Israel ever since Israel dared be at peace in the 40's. Shame on me for even arguing with those who insist on remaining blind or at war.

Using a Zionist propaganda site to prove any point is sheer stupidity. The Jewish Virtual Library is a Zionist propaganda site.

The source documents prepared by the Mandatory (Britain) with the assistance of the U.S. in the case of the 1946 Survey of Palestine depicts facts compiled by professionals. There is a thing called natural population growth. Given that both Christians and Muslims in Palestine averaged 5-6 children per family figure it out. Population could easily more than double from 1920 to 1946.

The UN was the organization that committed the original sin, creating Israel by stealing land from the rightful owners and giving it to invading Europeans. I don't know where you get off on criticizing it.

You have been fed so much Zionist propaganda that when you see the facts you are flabbergasted. Understandable.

Yes, we expected as much from you. Never mind.

Except, incidentally, your precious source noted "Registered immigrants." I believe that is why the Muslim numbers are so drastically low. No doubt, none of these settlers had any interest in registering. And the UN census didn't seem to care either.

 

[montelatici]

Well, you can believe the propaganda or accept the facts. The fact is the Palestinians of whatever religion they converted to, are the people that have lived in Palestine for thousands of years. The European Jews came from another continent. The Survey states facts, all migrants were registered and almost all migrants were European Jews.

 

[toastman]

Why should I refute a propaganda site? I would not ask you to refute Electronic Intifafda. I only link to fact, from neutral academic or official sites like the UN or similar or Jewish sites like the Berman Jewish Policy Archive. have you ever linked to an Arab or Palestinian site?

I've used Ma'an News Agency in the past for articles.

 

[montelatici]

Oh really, when? A few decades ago. LOL

 

[toastman]

Oh really, when? A few decades ago. LOL

Serious question: Are you mentally retarded?

 

[montelatici]

Again, all you can do do is attack the messenger. You have nothing to dispute the facts.

 

[toastman]

Again, all you can do do is attack the messenger. You have nothing to dispute the facts.

Except I have disputed many of your lies. Even if you deny it, it still doesn't change, which you are allergic too.

 

[Penelope]

Just read where all the Prime Ministers of Israel came from , I think one was born in Israel, the majority were secular Jews from Ukraine, and Russia, Read the bios of the top figures of the gov there now. Don't think they US politicians who want to be something in the US government, and Pres, suck up to the top Zionist and AIPAC for their heath, its for their egos and wallets.

 

[Phoenall]

The role of Jewish figures and that of the State of Israel in the Ukrainian crisis has not gone unnoticed considering that this community represents less than 1 percent of the population. However, a secret report in the hands of the Netanyahu administration confirms that Ashkenazi Jews do not originate from the Levant, but are the descendants of the Khazars. This little-known population founded a Jewish empire in the tenth century on the banks of the Black Sea. Therefore, some Zionists see in Ukraine a possible second Israel.

The Times of Israel, an independent Israeli newspaper that counts among its staff a number of former reporters for the Israeli daily Ha’aretz, published a fascinating but largely overlooked story datelined Jerusalem and Zhitomir, Ukraine, March 16, 2014, and which was written by its respective Russian and Ukrainian correspondents, Hirsh Ostropoler and I. Z. Grosser-Spass, citing a secret report provided to the Israeli government [1]. The report, written by a select panel of scholars of Jewish history drawn from academia and other research centers, concluded that that European Jews are in fact descended from Khazars, a war-like Mongol-Tatar group that ruled over Ukraine and southern Russia, which mass-converted to Judaism in the eighth century AD.

Zionists have long argued that the land claimed by Israel was the biblical birthright of the Jewish people who were forced from the land in a so-called «diaspora» after repeated conquests by various empires. Proof that Ashkenazi Jews, which make up a majority of the Israeli Jewish population, have no historical link to Palestine would call into question the entire premise of Israel as the historical «5,000-year old» homeland of the Jewish people.

The Israeli journalists noted that any conversation of the Khazars and modern Israel has always been met with disdain by Israeli leaders. They quote Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir as once saying, «Khazar, Schmazar. There is no Khazar people. I knew no Khazars. In Kiev. Or Milwaukee. Show me these Khazars of whom you speak». DNA proof that a migratory Khazar population from Europe is now claiming ancient roots in Palestine largely eliminates Zionist claims to the region.
Israel s Secret Plan for a Second Israel in Ukraine by Wayne Madsen
Leaked report Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine Jim Wald The Blogs The Times of Israel
Fancy that

Just ISLAMONAZI LIAESD and PROPAGANDA. It has been proven that the Jews of Europe are very closely related to the Jews of Palestine and the M.E.. In fact even the Ethiopian Jews are related more closely than any arab muslim , who are related to the Jews about as much as they are related to the pigs, apes and bananas

 

[Phoenall]

Yes a few rich Jews rule and own Ukraine, well they are all over the globe with their money they make off us gentiles, buy up everything, I mean they control our government. I do hope the big shots at Sony get fired, they are racist bigots. I suppose that will be called and anti-Semitic attack,

Golda was from Ukraine, all the higher ups in their gov have and are from Ukraine, and even Russia.

LINK ?

 

[Phoenall]

The role of Jewish figures and that of the State of Israel in the Ukrainian crisis has not gone unnoticed considering that this community represents less than 1 percent of the population. However, a secret report in the hands of the Netanyahu administration confirms that Ashkenazi Jews do not originate from the Levant, but are the descendants of the Khazars. This little-known population founded a Jewish empire in the tenth century on the banks of the Black Sea. Therefore, some Zionists see in Ukraine a possible second Israel.

The Times of Israel, an independent Israeli newspaper that counts among its staff a number of former reporters for the Israeli daily Ha’aretz, published a fascinating but largely overlooked story datelined Jerusalem and Zhitomir, Ukraine, March 16, 2014, and which was written by its respective Russian and Ukrainian correspondents, Hirsh Ostropoler and I. Z. Grosser-Spass, citing a secret report provided to the Israeli government [1]. The report, written by a select panel of scholars of Jewish history drawn from academia and other research centers, concluded that that European Jews are in fact descended from Khazars, a war-like Mongol-Tatar group that ruled over Ukraine and southern Russia, which mass-converted to Judaism in the eighth century AD.

Zionists have long argued that the land claimed by Israel was the biblical birthright of the Jewish people who were forced from the land in a so-called «diaspora» after repeated conquests by various empires. Proof that Ashkenazi Jews, which make up a majority of the Israeli Jewish population, have no historical link to Palestine would call into question the entire premise of Israel as the historical «5,000-year old» homeland of the Jewish people.

The Israeli journalists noted that any conversation of the Khazars and modern Israel has always been met with disdain by Israeli leaders. They quote Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir as once saying, «Khazar, Schmazar. There is no Khazar people. I knew no Khazars. In Kiev. Or Milwaukee. Show me these Khazars of whom you speak». DNA proof that a migratory Khazar population from Europe is now claiming ancient roots in Palestine largely eliminates Zionist claims to the region.
Israel s Secret Plan for a Second Israel in Ukraine by Wayne Madsen
Leaked report Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine Jim Wald The Blogs The Times of Israel
Fancy that

Who cares if there is Biblical claims to the land or not? There never was a nation of Palestine. Never. After the Jews were forcefully removed from their nation by the Romans it then became mostly a wasteland occupied by Bedouins and some other Arabs and some Jews and some Europeans and some Africans. Nobody ever turned that land into a sovereign nation. For the past 400 years it was under Ottoman Turkish rule, part of an even far lager territory which included other non-nations where parts of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc. now reside.

So then what? Then Jews moved in in the early part of the 20th century and purchased worthless tracks of land from the Ottoman Turks and from absentee wealthy Arab land owners mostly living in Egypt. They PURCHASED the land and it was no one else's. So what is anyone's point here?

Oh, yes, the vast majority of what many call "Palestinians" only began to move into that land after the Jews developed it and fostered a wonderful economy where these Arab people could make a living. These so called Palestinians were actually immigrants from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc. Interesting is it not? Interesting that nobody cares about the truth except to vilify the Jews.

That bolded part above is so untrue. The thing about Jews is they take over every country they invade.

So which nations are now Jewish which weren't before, and I will tell you which nations have been invaded by muslims and are now sharia cess pits and terrorists breeding grounds.

 

[Phoenall]

The role of Jewish figures and that of the State of Israel in the Ukrainian crisis has not gone unnoticed considering that this community represents less than 1 percent of the population. However, a secret report in the hands of the Netanyahu administration confirms that Ashkenazi Jews do not originate from the Levant, but are the descendants of the Khazars. This little-known population founded a Jewish empire in the tenth century on the banks of the Black Sea. Therefore, some Zionists see in Ukraine a possible second Israel.

The Times of Israel, an independent Israeli newspaper that counts among its staff a number of former reporters for the Israeli daily Ha’aretz, published a fascinating but largely overlooked story datelined Jerusalem and Zhitomir, Ukraine, March 16, 2014, and which was written by its respective Russian and Ukrainian correspondents, Hirsh Ostropoler and I. Z. Grosser-Spass, citing a secret report provided to the Israeli government [1]. The report, written by a select panel of scholars of Jewish history drawn from academia and other research centers, concluded that that European Jews are in fact descended from Khazars, a war-like Mongol-Tatar group that ruled over Ukraine and southern Russia, which mass-converted to Judaism in the eighth century AD.

Zionists have long argued that the land claimed by Israel was the biblical birthright of the Jewish people who were forced from the land in a so-called «diaspora» after repeated conquests by various empires. Proof that Ashkenazi Jews, which make up a majority of the Israeli Jewish population, have no historical link to Palestine would call into question the entire premise of Israel as the historical «5,000-year old» homeland of the Jewish people.

The Israeli journalists noted that any conversation of the Khazars and modern Israel has always been met with disdain by Israeli leaders. They quote Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir as once saying, «Khazar, Schmazar. There is no Khazar people. I knew no Khazars. In Kiev. Or Milwaukee. Show me these Khazars of whom you speak». DNA proof that a migratory Khazar population from Europe is now claiming ancient roots in Palestine largely eliminates Zionist claims to the region.
Israel s Secret Plan for a Second Israel in Ukraine by Wayne Madsen
Leaked report Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine Jim Wald The Blogs The Times of Israel
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Who cares if there is Biblical claims to the land or not? There never was a nation of Palestine. Never. After the Jews were forcefully removed from their nation by the Romans it then became mostly a wasteland occupied by Bedouins and some other Arabs and some Jews and some Europeans and some Africans. Nobody ever turned that land into a sovereign nation. For the past 400 years it was under Ottoman Turkish rule, part of an even far lager territory which included other non-nations where parts of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc. now reside.

So then what? Then Jews moved in in the early part of the 20th century and purchased worthless tracks of land from the Ottoman Turks and from absentee wealthy Arab land owners mostly living in Egypt. They PURCHASED the land and it was no one else's. So what is anyone's point here?

Oh, yes, the vast majority of what many call "Palestinians" only began to move into that land after the Jews developed it and fostered a wonderful economy where these Arab people could make a living. These so called Palestinians were actually immigrants from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc. Interesting is it not? Interesting that nobody cares about the truth except to vilify the Jews.

The Jews purchased almost nothing. Less than 7% of the land in Palestine was Jewish owned as late as 1946. The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims owned over 85% of the land as late as 1946. The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims are indigenous to Palestine, nowhere else.

All you are doing is spouting Zionist propaganda, all lies.

Mostly absentee ottoman landlords who would lose the land anyway once the Mandate ended. The fact is less than 1% of the land was owned by arab muslims because they were greedy, lazy and cowardly.