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There's a lot of bashing going on here about how Palestinians haven't brought any contributions to peace, but I don't know of any Israeli contributions to peace either. So please list some, if you can find any.
(1) Oslo accords provide 98% of what the Arabs wanted for faux promises on a piece of paper.
(2) Pull out of Gaza and evacuating the Jewish cities there.
(3) Creating the PLO and allowing them to control the WB (and Gaza before Hamas took it over)
(4) Consistently providing free medical care to Palestinians
(5) Gas and other freebies to Gaza
(6) Allow the Palestinian settlement in Israel, provide them citizenship, the right to vote and the equal rights as the Jews, while the Palestinians say NOT ONE JEWS CAN BE IN PALESTINE OR WE KILL THEM!
(7) Building up the Palestinian economy to be in a better position then most of the other failed Arab states in the region.
(8) Once again a few years ago the Pres (forgot his name) before Bibi offered everything but Jerusalem and some of the largest Jewish cities in Israel.
Both Israel and the United States acknowledge the supremacy of the moral law both believe in personal as well as national liberty and, perhaps most important, both will fight to the end to maintain that liberty
Yes; Israel, we salute you. We honor your progress and your determination and your spirit. But in the midst of our rejoicing we do not forget your peril. We know that no other nation in this world lives out its days in an atmosphere of such constant tension and fear. We know that no other nation in this world is surrounded on every side by such violent hate and prejudice
Today we celebrate her 8th birthday but I say without hesitation that she will live to see an 80th birthday and an eight hundredth. For peace is all Israel asks, no more a peace that will beat swords into plowshares and spears into pruning-hooks; a peace that will enable the desert to rejoice and blossom as the rose, when the wicked cease from troubling and the weary be at rest. Then, and only then, will the world have witnessed the complete fulfillment of Isaiahs prophecy Tzee-Yon BMeeshpat Teepadeh Zion shall be redeemed through justice. And all of us here, and there, and everywhere will then be able to say to each other with faith and with confidence, in our coming and in our going: Shalom peace! Peace be with you, now and forever.
Remarks by Senator John F. Kennedy at Yankee Stadium on April 29, 1956 | Finding Camelot
The slaughter of innocent Israelis is not resistance -- it's injustice.
Let's be honest: Israel is surrounded by neighbors that have waged repeated wars against it. Israel's citizens have been killed by rockets fired at their houses and suicide bombs on their buses. Israel's children come of age knowing that throughout the region, other children are taught to hate them. Israel, a small country of less than eight million people, looks out at a world where leaders of much larger nations threaten to wipe it off of the map. These facts cannot be denied.
Remarks by President Obama in Address to the United Nations General Assembly | The White House
There's a lot of bashing going on here about how Palestinians haven't brought any contributions to peace, but I don't know of any Israeli contributions to peace either. So please list some, if you can find any.
There are many. Israel accepted the Partition of the Mandate despite the fact that the land granted to the new state was not contiguous and was only a tiny fraction of what they had hoped for and that they would have only a slim majority over the Arabs who would share the state, 500,000 Jews and 400,000 Arabs.
In 1949 when Jewish forces were advancing almost everywhere, they agreed to a ceasefire despite the fact that they had not yet taken Jerusalem.
A week after the Six Day War Israel offered to return all the land it had captured, except for Jerusalem, in return for peace, but the Arabs not only refused the offer, they even refused to acknowledge the offer.
After capturing Jerusalem in 1967 Israel turned over control of the Muslim holy sites, including al Aksa, to the Muslim wafq in Jordan.
The land for peace formula embodied in UNSC 242 was an Israeli initiative presented to the Security Council by the US on Israel's behalf.
When the opportunity for peace with Egypt arose Israel abandoned Sinai in return for peace, a land area greater than all of Israel, and forcibly removed Jewish communities there.
Israel has made numerous offers to the Arabs in the disputed territories that would have given them a state of their own, but the Arabs have refused every offer that would have allowed Israel to remain a Jewish state.
Israel remains open to negotiating peace with any of the Arab states, but with few exceptions the Arabs refuse to discuss it.
In each of these cases, Israel has been willing to make significant concessions in return for peace. Neither the Arab nations nor the Palestinian Arabs have ever been willing make any concessions for peace.
1st 4 paragraphs: you can't say it's for peace when they are involved in a war and just killed a whole bunch of people and took their land.
Once again, you have nothing to bring to a discussion but mindless slogans. Obviously, your ignorance of the facts makes it impossible for you to respond with facts and logic. Paragraphs 1 through four cover a period of 19 years, two major wars with the Arab nations and ongoing conflicts with Arab militias and terrorists. Killed what people when? Took what land when?
paragraph 5: kinda disqualified because giving a sliver of land back that you forcibly took isn't a peace initiative, it's a joke..
Once again, your ignorance is showing. UNSC 242 addressed the conflict between Israel and the Arab nations. It did not recognize the Palestinian Arabs as a political entity. Far from offering only a "sliver of land" the Israeli land for peace offer embodied in it offered to return Sinai and Gaza to Egypt, the Golan Heights to Syria and the West Bank minus Jerusalem to Jordan, altogether it offered to return a land area much greater than it would have left in return for peace; the Arab have never been willing to make any concessions in return for peace.
It would be 25 years before the land for peace offer Israel had made to the Arab nations would be made to the Palestinian Arabs, who have consistently refused any offer of statehood and peace that would allow Israel to exist as Jewish state.
paragraph6: I agree the thing with Egypt was the most legitimate play for peace, even though it had an air of paragraph 5, but that the arabs agreed to a deal qualifies it as a legitimate step for peace. Ok...
Even for you, this is especially stupid. In 1979 Sadat finally decided to accept the offer Israel had made in 1967 to return Sinai in exchange for peace. Israel gave up Sinai in return for peace. Sadat refused to give up anything in return for peace.
Last 2 paragraphs: disqualified because Israel's tactics recently of trying to talk peace while at the same time building more houses and whatnot in the West Bank...
Of course Israel continues to build in the West Bank. Until a final status agreement is reached, under the Oslo Accords Israelis have an unfettered right to build in Area C and the Palestinian Arabs have an unfettered right to build in Areas A and B. For the past 18 years Israel and the PA have been negotiating while both continued to build in the West Bank, but since the 1980's all building in Israeli communities have been within already established communities, meaning no additional land was being used to build. However, since the PA has now refused, for the first time in 18 years, to negotiate without prior Israelis concessions, support for negotiations in Israel has dramatically dropped and support for expansions of Israeli West Bank communities has increased.
The bottom line is for 18 years Israel has been willing to negotiate a peace with the Palestinian Arabs that would provide them with a state living in peace with Israel, and for 18 years the Palestinian Arabs have refused any offer that would allow Israel to exist as a Jewish state.
Quote: Originally Posted by ima
paragraph 5: kinda disqualified because giving a sliver of land back that you forcibly took isn't a peace initiative, it's a joke
Blinded by their anti-Semitism, Arabs ignore the fact that neither are they an indigenous group nor is the Jewish nationhood a new phenomenon in Palestine; the Jewish nation was born during 40 years of wandering in the Sinai more than five thousand years ago and has remained connected with Palestine ever since. Even after the destruction of the last Jewish commonwealth in the first century, the Jewish people maintained their own autonomous political and legal institutions: the Davidic dynasty was preserved in Baghdad until the thirteenth century through the rule of the Exilarch (Resh Galuta), while the return to Zion was incorporated into the most widely practiced Jewish traditions, including the end of the Yom Kippur service and the Passover Seder, as well as in everyday prayers. Thus, Jewish historic rights were kept alive in Jewish historical consciousness.
It is a matter of record that the Arabs owe their presence in Palestine to the Ottomans who settled Muslim populations as a buffer against Bedouin attacks and Ibrahim Pasha, the Egyptian ruler who brought Egyptian colonists with his army in the 1830s. And during all those times when Arabs lived under the Ottoman rule, they never showed any desire for national independence.
Jerusalem has always remained a Jewish majority a symbol of Jewish yearning to be an independent nation as they thrived in communities in many of Palestines towns. By 1864, a clear-cut Jewish majority emerged in Jerusalem - more than half a century before the arrival of the British Empire and the League of Nations Mandate. During the years that the Jewish presence in Eretz Israel was restored, a huge Arab population influx transpired as Arab immigrants sought to take advantage of higher wages and economic opportunities that resulted from Jewish settlement in the land. President Roosevelt concluded in 1939 that "Arab immigration into Palestine since 1921 has vastly exceeded the total Jewish immigration during the whole period."
The present Arab declaration challenging the Jewish character of Israel cannot be ignored because it is not just an expression of dissatisfaction by a minority about their socio-economic situation but a reminder that Islamist radicalism and fundamentalism has now decided to challenge openly the legitimacy of the Jewish state.
Global Politician - Israel?s Arab Citizens And The Jewish State
The interaction of Jewish history and Western civilization successively assumed different forms. In the Biblical and Ancient periods, Israel was an integral part of the Near Eastern and classical world, which gave birth to Western civilization. It shared the traditions of ancient Mesopotamia and the rest of that world with regard to its own beginning; it benefited from the decline of Egypt and the other great Near Eastern empires to emerge as a nation in its own right; it asserted its claim to the divinely promised Land of Israel
PBS - Heritage
In archaeological terms The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine focuses on the Iron Age (1200-586 B.C.E.). Iron I (1200-1000 B.C.E.) represents the premonarchical period. Iron II (1000-586 B.C.E.) was the time of kings. Uniting the tribal coalitions of Israel and Judah in the tenth century B.C.E., David and Solomon ruled over an expanding realm. After Solomon's death (c. 930 B.C.E.) Israel and Judah separated into two kingdoms.
Israel was led at times by strong kings, Omri and Ahab in the ninth century B.C.E. and Jereboam II in the eighth.
The Semitic Museum has installed a new exhibition that brings the world of biblical Israel into vivid, three-dimensional reality. "The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine" immerses the viewer in Israelite daily life around the time of King Hezekiah (8th century B.C.), creating an experiential environment based on the latest archaeological, textual, and historical research.
The centerpiece of the exhibition is a full-scale Israelite house, open on one side, filled with authentic ancient artifacts that show how life was lived by common inhabitants of ancient Jerusalem. Agricultural tools, a cooking area, and a stall occupied by a single, scruffy ram fill the ground floor of the cube-shaped, mud-brick structure, which, thankfully, is not olfactorily authentic. The upper story, reached by a ladder, is devoted to eating and sleeping.
so toomuch, basically you're disqualifying the Egypt/Israeli accord as well, so there's nothing. Ok.
Something happened, I had a senior moment.Here's a few Palestinian contributions to peace. Nobel is a Peace Prize, is it not?
Jewish Nobel Prize Winners - Jewish Contributions to Society
The first 3 I never heard of (probably didn't do shit for actual peace)
Kissinger is a tool
Weisel is a nazi hunter, not relevant to peace.
Peres and Rabin are terrorists.
Only Begin who signed a Peace treaty with Egypt would qualify. Ok, so that's something.
Why? You have real Israeli contributions to lasting peace in the ME?Something happened, I had a senior moment.
Jewish Nobel Prize Winners - Jewish Contributions to Society
The first 3 I never heard of (probably didn't do shit for actual peace)
Kissinger is a tool
Weisel is a nazi hunter, not relevant to peace.
Peres and Rabin are terrorists.
Only Begin who signed a Peace treaty with Egypt would qualify. Ok, so that's something.
Don't blame us because your uneducated and dumb as a door nail.
Israeli security and walls keeping the suicide bombers out was a big contribution to peace.
Israeli security and walls keeping the suicide bombers out was a big contribution to peace.
You know, in a fucked up way, that's sorta true. It does seem to be more peaceful. lol. But isn't that kind of like going from gen pop to the hole?
Israeli security and walls keeping the suicide bombers out was a big contribution to peace.
You know, in a fucked up way, that's sorta true. It does seem to be more peaceful. lol. But isn't that kind of like going from gen pop to the hole?
What's so fucked up about it? Lives on BOTH sides of the fence have been saved. Isn't that a good thing?
Israeli security and walls keeping the suicide bombers out was a big contribution to peace.
You know, in a fucked up way, that's sorta true. It does seem to be more peaceful. lol. But isn't that kind of like going from gen pop to the hole?
What's so fucked up about it? Lives on BOTH sides of the fence have been saved. Isn't that a good thing?
You know, in a fucked up way, that's sorta true. It does seem to be more peaceful. lol. But isn't that kind of like going from gen pop to the hole?
What's so fucked up about it? Lives on BOTH sides of the fence have been saved. Isn't that a good thing?
Not really. The Palestinians stopped suicide bombing, as a policy, in 2005-2006.
What's so fucked up about it? Lives on BOTH sides of the fence have been saved. Isn't that a good thing?
Not really. The Palestinians stopped suicide bombing, as a policy, in 2005-2006.
Not a good thing? You're a bigger azzhole than I can fathom but I realize some keyboard warriors are eager to fight the Jews to the last Palestinian. Keep up the good fight, azzhole.
You know, in a fucked up way, that's sorta true. It does seem to be more peaceful. lol. But isn't that kind of like going from gen pop to the hole?
What's so fucked up about it? Lives on BOTH sides of the fence have been saved. Isn't that a good thing?
Not really. The Palestinians stopped suicide bombing, as a policy, in 2005-2006.
