Israel's contribution to peace

[ima]

What's so fucked up about it? Lives on BOTH sides of the fence have been saved. Isn't that a good thing?

Not really. The Palestinians stopped suicide bombing, as a policy, in 2005-2006.

The Palestinian Arabs never stopped suicide bombings as a matter of policy, they just stopped being successful at it.

I seen pictures of that wall, so what's the deal? The arabs never heard of a ladder?

 

[P F Tinmore]

What's so fucked up about it? Lives on BOTH sides of the fence have been saved. Isn't that a good thing?

Not really. The Palestinians stopped suicide bombing, as a policy, in 2005-2006.

The Palestinian Arabs never stopped suicide bombings as a matter of policy, they just stopped being successful at it.

You need to read up.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Not really. The Palestinians stopped suicide bombing, as a policy, in 2005-2006.

The Palestinian Arabs never stopped suicide bombings as a matter of policy, they just stopped being successful at it.

You need to read up.

You need to stop trying to pass off Hamas lies as truth.

The number of attacks in Israel coming from the Palestinian territories declined significantly in 2009 over previous years, the Shin Bet security services said Sunday.

According to the Shin Bet's 2009 annual summary, this was the first year in which no suicide attacks were executed in Israel.

Shin Bet: 2009 was first year in decade without suicide attacks - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinian Arabs never stopped suicide bombings as a matter of policy, they just stopped being successful at it.

You need to read up.

You need to stop trying to pass off Hamas lies as truth.

The number of attacks in Israel coming from the Palestinian territories declined significantly in 2009 over previous years, the Shin Bet security services said Sunday.

According to the Shin Bet's 2009 annual summary, this was the first year in which no suicide attacks were executed in Israel.

Shin Bet: 2009 was first year in decade without suicide attacks - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Suicide bombing deaths
2001 85
2002 238
2003 145
2004 98
2005 33
2006 15
2007 3
2008 1

List of Palestinian suicide attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course we have not seen a similar reduction of Israeli attacks on Palestinians.

 

[toomuchtime_]

You need to read up.

You need to stop trying to pass off Hamas lies as truth.

The number of attacks in Israel coming from the Palestinian territories declined significantly in 2009 over previous years, the Shin Bet security services said Sunday.

According to the Shin Bet's 2009 annual summary, this was the first year in which no suicide attacks were executed in Israel.

Shin Bet: 2009 was first year in decade without suicide attacks - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Suicide bombing deaths
2001 85
2002 238
2003 145
2004 98
2005 33
2006 15
2007 3
2008 1

List of Palestinian suicide attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course we have not seen a similar reduction of Israeli attacks on Palestinians.

Now that the security barrier is up, Israel is able to preempt attacks before they leave the West Bank. That's the only reason the frequency of suicide attacks went down.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You need to stop trying to pass off Hamas lies as truth.



Shin Bet: 2009 was first year in decade without suicide attacks - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Suicide bombing deaths
2001 85
2002 238
2003 145
2004 98
2005 33
2006 15
2007 3
2008 1

List of Palestinian suicide attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course we have not seen a similar reduction of Israeli attacks on Palestinians.

Now that the security barrier is up, Israel is able to preempt attacks before they leave the West Bank. That's the only reason the frequency of suicide attacks went down.

Gee, and the wall isn't even complete yet.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Suicide bombing deaths
2001 85
2002 238
2003 145
2004 98
2005 33
2006 15
2007 3
2008 1

List of Palestinian suicide attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course we have not seen a similar reduction of Israeli attacks on Palestinians.

Now that the security barrier is up, Israel is able to preempt attacks before they leave the West Bank. That's the only reason the frequency of suicide attacks went down.

Gee, and the wall isn't even complete yet.

That's true, and as it was going up, would be attackers were forced to try to cross into Israel through narrower and narrower corridors, and this allowed Israeli security services to catch them more easily, hence the progressive declines in successful attacks.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Now that the security barrier is up, Israel is able to preempt attacks before they leave the West Bank. That's the only reason the frequency of suicide attacks went down.

Gee, and the wall isn't even complete yet.

That's true, and as it was going up, would be attackers were forced to try to cross into Israel through narrower and narrower corridors, and this allowed Israeli security services to catch them more easily, hence the progressive declines in successful attacks.

The Palestinians are off on a different strategy but you can believe that if you like.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Gee, and the wall isn't even complete yet.

That's true, and as it was going up, would be attackers were forced to try to cross into Israel through narrower and narrower corridors, and this allowed Israeli security services to catch them more easily, hence the progressive declines in successful attacks.

The Palestinians are off on a different strategy but you can believe that if you like.

There is no different strategy. They are just unable to execute successful attacks.

 

[docmauser1]

Gee, and the wall isn't even complete yet.

Indeed, the wall has been a waste, explainable by continuation of the misguided desire of the israeli leadership to be holier than the pope as demanded of it by the international community of progressive schmucks, which, while saving rabbits from cosmetics research trials, think it allright to sacrifice jews. Relocation of palistanians is the only viable option for jews, palistanians and the international community, unless the latter wants to have a simmering pot for its own ends, of course.

 

[ima]

That's true, and as it was going up, would be attackers were forced to try to cross into Israel through narrower and narrower corridors, and this allowed Israeli security services to catch them more easily, hence the progressive declines in successful attacks.

The Palestinians are off on a different strategy but you can believe that if you like.

There is no different strategy. They are just unable to execute successful attacks.

To say that the wall stopped attacks is a tad ridiculous. Anyone with a ladder can get over it in about 10 seconds.

 

[Artevelde]

The Palestinians are off on a different strategy but you can believe that if you like.

There is no different strategy. They are just unable to execute successful attacks.

To say that the wall stopped attacks is a tad ridiculous. Anyone with a ladder can get over it in about 10 seconds.

That must be

a) a pretty lame attempt at humour

b) an extremely funny illustration of the fact that you don't know what you're talking about

Or is it both?

 

[ima]

There is no different strategy. They are just unable to execute successful attacks.

To say that the wall stopped attacks is a tad ridiculous. Anyone with a ladder can get over it in about 10 seconds.

That must be

a) a pretty lame attempt at humour

b) an extremely funny illustration of the fact that you don't know what you're talking about

Or is it both?

No, I'm serious, I have 2 ladders at my house that can get me over that height in 10 seconds. Or even, the arabs could tunnel under it in not long, they do tunnels from Egypt to get supplies, so I hear.

 

[Artevelde]

To say that the wall stopped attacks is a tad ridiculous. Anyone with a ladder can get over it in about 10 seconds.

That must be

a) a pretty lame attempt at humour

b) an extremely funny illustration of the fact that you don't know what you're talking about

Or is it both?

No, I'm serious, I have 2 ladders at my house that can get me over that height in 10 seconds. Or even, the arabs could tunnel under it in not long, they do tunnels from Egypt to get supplies, so I hear.

Well, I would suggest you give it a try. But I don't really wish you any harm.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The Palestinians are off on a different strategy but you can believe that if you like.

There is no different strategy. They are just unable to execute successful attacks.

To say that the wall stopped attacks is a tad ridiculous. Anyone with a ladder can get over it in about 10 seconds.

Then why are you saying it? When the security barrier was added to a system of patrols and checkpoints it made penetration into Israel much more difficult.

In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada.[37]

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only about 5% of the barrier is a wall, the rest is a multi layered security fence.

Most of the barrier (over 95% of total length) consists of a "multi-layered fence system".[31] The IDF's preferred design has three fences, with pyramid-shaped stacks of barbed wire for the two outer fences and a lighter-weight fence with intrusion detection equipment in the middle. Patrol roads are provided on both sides of the middle fence, an anti-vehicle ditch is located on the West Bank side of the fence, and a smooth dirt strip on the Israeli side for "intrusion tracking".

Some sections (less than 5% of total length) are constructed as a wall made up of concrete slabs up to 8 m in height and 3 m in width.[32] Occasionally, due to topographic conditions other sections of the barrier will reach up to 100 m in width.[33] Wall construction (5%) is more common in urban settings, such as areas near Qalqilyah and Jerusalem, because it is narrower, requires less land, and provides more protection against snipers. In all cases there are regular observation posts, automated sensing devices and other apparatuses. Gates at various points are controlled by Israeli soldiers.

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In most areas, there are also exclusion areas, so if you were to try to approach the barrier you would likely be detected by an observation tower or electroniic surveilance and stopped by a patrol. For every strategy there is a counter strategy - that's why people still play chess - but tunneling is unlikely to be successful because tunneling is anexpensive, time consuming activity that would likely be reported by the Shin Bet's extensive network of informants. In Gaza, numerous attempts to tunnel into Israel have been detected but only one was successful in 2006.

Contrast this with 2002 when there was no security barrier and no IDF presence in the West Bank and suicide bombers could easily walk across the green line or in some cases take a cab from the West Bank to their targets.

 

[ima]

There is no different strategy. They are just unable to execute successful attacks.

To say that the wall stopped attacks is a tad ridiculous. Anyone with a ladder can get over it in about 10 seconds.

Then why are you saying it? When the security barrier was added to a system of patrols and checkpoints it made penetration into Israel much more difficult.

In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada.[37]

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only about 5% of the barrier is a wall, the rest is a multi layered security fence.

Most of the barrier (over 95% of total length) consists of a "multi-layered fence system".[31] The IDF's preferred design has three fences, with pyramid-shaped stacks of barbed wire for the two outer fences and a lighter-weight fence with intrusion detection equipment in the middle. Patrol roads are provided on both sides of the middle fence, an anti-vehicle ditch is located on the West Bank side of the fence, and a smooth dirt strip on the Israeli side for "intrusion tracking".

Some sections (less than 5% of total length) are constructed as a wall made up of concrete slabs up to 8 m in height and 3 m in width.[32] Occasionally, due to topographic conditions other sections of the barrier will reach up to 100 m in width.[33] Wall construction (5%) is more common in urban settings, such as areas near Qalqilyah and Jerusalem, because it is narrower, requires less land, and provides more protection against snipers. In all cases there are regular observation posts, automated sensing devices and other apparatuses. Gates at various points are controlled by Israeli soldiers.

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In most areas, there are also exclusion areas, so if you were to try to approach the barrier you would likely be detected by an observation tower or electroniic surveilance and stopped by a patrol. For every strategy there is a counter strategy - that's why people still play chess - but tunneling is unlikely to be successful because tunneling is anexpensive, time consuming activity that would likely be reported by the Shin Bet's extensive network of informants. In Gaza, numerous attempts to tunnel into Israel have been detected but only one was successful in 2006.

Contrast this with 2002 when there was no security barrier and no IDF presence in the West Bank and suicide bombers could easily walk across the green line or in some cases take a cab from the West Bank to their targets.

So it's more like a prison wall.
I was just saying, some pictures I saw the wall was in the middle of a street with houses on either side. You could throw a few grenades over the wall any time you wanted. Or climb over quickly...

 

[High_Gravity]

Israel has some hot women, thats a pretty nice contribution to peace.

 

[High_Gravity]

 

[eots]

they killed the prince of peace...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts3shz-n7lQ]The Jews Killed Jesus - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JStone]

"No one, except the Israeli hospital, has taken any of our patients"

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX-UmrFAWNw]Haiti Day 6 - No one but the Israeli's have come to help any of our patients that are dying - YouTube[/ame]


"We Desire Death Like You Desire Life"
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWIDZ7Jpdqg]Hamas - "We desire death like you desire life" - YouTube[/ame]