Israel demands correction from Sanders,It only killed 532 Palestinian kids in summer 2014!

[flacaltenn]

Lot's of complaining about "sources" here. It's NOT the sources fault.. Just because Palestinians were killed during the conflict doesn't EVEN necessarily mean they were killed by Israel.. Did THAT notion ever pop into your heads??

Palestinian rockets killed more Gazans in 2014 war: Amnesty

Jerusalem (AFP) - Amnesty International said Thursday Palestinian rocket fire during the 2014 summer war in Gaza had killed more civilians in the Gaza Strip than in Israel.

Such deadly attacks on civilians on both sides constituted "a war crime," it said.

The damning report urged armed Palestinian groups to end attacks on civilians in Israel and to protect those in the Gaza Strip from the effects of such attacks.

The militant group Hamas, which de facto rules Gaza and led fighting against Israel during the conflict, slammed the report as "biased" and accused Amnesty of being a "Zionist organisation".


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/w...-killing-and-torturing-palestinians.html?_r=0

JERUSALEM — The militant group Hamas used last summer’s war with Israel in the Gaza Strip to carry out extrajudicial killings of at least 23 Palestinians accused of collaborating with Israel and to torture dozens of others, including political rivals, Amnesty International charged in a report issued early Wednesday.

“In the chaos of the conflict, the de facto Hamas administration granted its security forces free rein to carry out horrific abuses, including against people in its custody,” Philip Luther, the director of the Middle East and North Africa Program of Amnesty International, said in a statement. “These spine-chilling actions, some of which amount to war crimes, were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip.”

Hamas, which has not accepted responsibility for the killings, responded to the report by blaming Israel for creating a “situation of chaos” during the war. Mushir al-Masri, a spokesman for Hamas, said that Israel had attacked the Gaza security services, preventing them from managing Palestinian internal affairs properly.

‘Strangling Necks’: Abduction, Torture and Summary Killings of Palestinians by Hamas Forces During the 2014 Gaza/Israel Conflict

Strangling Necks’: Abduction, Torture and Summary Killings of Palestinians by Hamas Forces During the 2014 Gaza/Israel Conflict highlights a series of abuses, such as the extrajudicial execution of at least 23 Palestinians and the arrest and torture of dozens of others, including members and supporters of Hamas’s political rivals, Fatah.

“It is absolutely appalling that, while Israeli forces were inflicting massive death and destruction upon the people in Gaza, Hamas forces took the opportunity to ruthlessly settle scores, carrying out a series of unlawful killings and other grave abuses,” said Philip Luther, director of the Middle East and North Africa Program at Amnesty International.
“In the chaos of the conflict, the de facto Hamas administration granted its security forces free rein to carry out horrific abuses including against people in its custody. These spine-chilling actions, some of which amount to war crimes, were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip.”

Many of these unlawful killings were publicly billed as attacks against people assisting Israel during the July and August 2014 conflict as part of an operation, codenamed “Strangling Necks,” to target “collaborators.” However, in reality, at least 16 of those executed had been in Hamas custody since before the conflict broke out. Many had been awaiting the outcome of their trials when they were taken away from prison and summarily executed.
Hamas forces also abducted, tortured or attacked members and supporters of Fatah, their main rival political organization within Gaza, including former members of the Palestinian Authority security forces.
Not a single person has been held accountable for the crimes committed by Hamas forces against Palestinians during the 2014 conflict, indicating that these crimes were either ordered or condoned by the authorities.
“Instead of upholding justice, the Hamas authorities and leadership have continuously encouraged and facilitated these appalling crimes against powerless individuals. Their failure to even condemn the unlawful killings, abduction and torture of perceived suspects leaves them effectively with blood on their hands,” said Luther.


With that kind of chaos going on -- no one will ever get an accurate count of who killed who...

 

[Coyote]

I have no idea what happened to these boys, but if this story that Chris Hedges tells is true, anything could have happened. He was staying at the Gaza refugee camp of Khan Younis for several days, I think he said he was writing a magazine article. One afternoon his attention was caught by voices calling out in Arabic, which he has some fluency in. Turned out it was a few Israeli soldiers in an armored jeep taunting and cursing the boys. The boys had been playing near the wire fence of the camp. They were playing "soccer" with a ball they had made up with rags. The boys reacted as 10 year old boys could be expected to react. They picked up a few stones and started throwing them at the armored jeep. The soldiers reacted in a way that you would not expect trained professional soldiers to react. They stepped out of the jeep and gunned the boys down with their submachine guns. The children were about 10yrs. old. Hedges spent quite a bit of time among the Palestinians reporting on the conflicts. He says it was not the first time he had seen Palestinian children drew out and shot in this fashion. I think it was in the same article he mentioned he had never seen Hamas use children as "shields".
In this incident he accompanied the wounded to the hospital and swore out a witness statement. Deaths of this type are usually described as "children caught in crossfire" by the Israelis he said.

Yet there are many pictures of hamas using children as shields making his whole report questionable.

Those pictures have no context, like the picture of the Jewish kids in costume during Purim - how do we really know what these are and when they occurred?

Mouse over the pictures to find their source and you will find out, but that means that you would be defending Palestinians using human shields and so would not be able to live the LIE. Much better to just ignore them and hope they go away.

They are in context to the post I replied to denied hamas uses human shields

I did and it took me to some very iffy blog "idf blog" that, were it pro-Pali, you would label as as a biased Islamonazi source. I wouldn't trust this source for accuracy any more than you would trust Electronic Intifada.

So how does that make the pictures fakes, after all that is true only for the first one. Did you employ the trace feature on google for them to see when they were first used and where ?

You were the one that wasted bandwidth lecturing me on fake photos and biased sources.

 

[montelatici]

Lot's of complaining about "sources" here. It's NOT the sources fault.. Just because Palestinians were killed during the conflict doesn't EVEN necessarily mean they were killed by Israel.. Did THAT notion ever pop into your heads??

Palestinian rockets killed more Gazans in 2014 war: Amnesty

Jerusalem (AFP) - Amnesty International said Thursday Palestinian rocket fire during the 2014 summer war in Gaza had killed more civilians in the Gaza Strip than in Israel.

Such deadly attacks on civilians on both sides constituted "a war crime," it said.

The damning report urged armed Palestinian groups to end attacks on civilians in Israel and to protect those in the Gaza Strip from the effects of such attacks.

The militant group Hamas, which de facto rules Gaza and led fighting against Israel during the conflict, slammed the report as "biased" and accused Amnesty of being a "Zionist organisation".


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/w...-killing-and-torturing-palestinians.html?_r=0

JERUSALEM — The militant group Hamas used last summer’s war with Israel in the Gaza Strip to carry out extrajudicial killings of at least 23 Palestinians accused of collaborating with Israel and to torture dozens of others, including political rivals, Amnesty International charged in a report issued early Wednesday.

“In the chaos of the conflict, the de facto Hamas administration granted its security forces free rein to carry out horrific abuses, including against people in its custody,” Philip Luther, the director of the Middle East and North Africa Program of Amnesty International, said in a statement. “These spine-chilling actions, some of which amount to war crimes, were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip.”

Hamas, which has not accepted responsibility for the killings, responded to the report by blaming Israel for creating a “situation of chaos” during the war. Mushir al-Masri, a spokesman for Hamas, said that Israel had attacked the Gaza security services, preventing them from managing Palestinian internal affairs properly.

‘Strangling Necks’: Abduction, Torture and Summary Killings of Palestinians by Hamas Forces During the 2014 Gaza/Israel Conflict

Strangling Necks’: Abduction, Torture and Summary Killings of Palestinians by Hamas Forces During the 2014 Gaza/Israel Conflict highlights a series of abuses, such as the extrajudicial execution of at least 23 Palestinians and the arrest and torture of dozens of others, including members and supporters of Hamas’s political rivals, Fatah.

“It is absolutely appalling that, while Israeli forces were inflicting massive death and destruction upon the people in Gaza, Hamas forces took the opportunity to ruthlessly settle scores, carrying out a series of unlawful killings and other grave abuses,” said Philip Luther, director of the Middle East and North Africa Program at Amnesty International.
“In the chaos of the conflict, the de facto Hamas administration granted its security forces free rein to carry out horrific abuses including against people in its custody. These spine-chilling actions, some of which amount to war crimes, were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip.”

Many of these unlawful killings were publicly billed as attacks against people assisting Israel during the July and August 2014 conflict as part of an operation, codenamed “Strangling Necks,” to target “collaborators.” However, in reality, at least 16 of those executed had been in Hamas custody since before the conflict broke out. Many had been awaiting the outcome of their trials when they were taken away from prison and summarily executed.
Hamas forces also abducted, tortured or attacked members and supporters of Fatah, their main rival political organization within Gaza, including former members of the Palestinian Authority security forces.
Not a single person has been held accountable for the crimes committed by Hamas forces against Palestinians during the 2014 conflict, indicating that these crimes were either ordered or condoned by the authorities.
“Instead of upholding justice, the Hamas authorities and leadership have continuously encouraged and facilitated these appalling crimes against powerless individuals. Their failure to even condemn the unlawful killings, abduction and torture of perceived suspects leaves them effectively with blood on their hands,” said Luther.


With that kind of chaos going on -- no one will ever get an accurate count of who killed who...

Will you accept Amnesty International's reports on Israel with the same gusto as you do for those above?

For example:

"During the war, Israeli forces fired tens of thousands of artillery and tank shells into densely populated residential areas, and launched air strikes on homes across the Gaza Strip, killing families inside in many cases. They struck schools sheltering civilians and attacked hospitals and medical workers, including ambulance staff trying to evacuate the dead and wounded."

Justice for victims of war crimes in Gaza conflict

or

"Amnesty International claims Israeli military committed war crimes during Gaza conflict"

 

[Hollie]

Lot's of complaining about "sources" here. It's NOT the sources fault.. Just because Palestinians were killed during the conflict doesn't EVEN necessarily mean they were killed by Israel.. Did THAT notion ever pop into your heads??

Palestinian rockets killed more Gazans in 2014 war: Amnesty

Jerusalem (AFP) - Amnesty International said Thursday Palestinian rocket fire during the 2014 summer war in Gaza had killed more civilians in the Gaza Strip than in Israel.

Such deadly attacks on civilians on both sides constituted "a war crime," it said.

The damning report urged armed Palestinian groups to end attacks on civilians in Israel and to protect those in the Gaza Strip from the effects of such attacks.

The militant group Hamas, which de facto rules Gaza and led fighting against Israel during the conflict, slammed the report as "biased" and accused Amnesty of being a "Zionist organisation".


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/w...-killing-and-torturing-palestinians.html?_r=0

JERUSALEM — The militant group Hamas used last summer’s war with Israel in the Gaza Strip to carry out extrajudicial killings of at least 23 Palestinians accused of collaborating with Israel and to torture dozens of others, including political rivals, Amnesty International charged in a report issued early Wednesday.

“In the chaos of the conflict, the de facto Hamas administration granted its security forces free rein to carry out horrific abuses, including against people in its custody,” Philip Luther, the director of the Middle East and North Africa Program of Amnesty International, said in a statement. “These spine-chilling actions, some of which amount to war crimes, were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip.”

Hamas, which has not accepted responsibility for the killings, responded to the report by blaming Israel for creating a “situation of chaos” during the war. Mushir al-Masri, a spokesman for Hamas, said that Israel had attacked the Gaza security services, preventing them from managing Palestinian internal affairs properly.

‘Strangling Necks’: Abduction, Torture and Summary Killings of Palestinians by Hamas Forces During the 2014 Gaza/Israel Conflict

Strangling Necks’: Abduction, Torture and Summary Killings of Palestinians by Hamas Forces During the 2014 Gaza/Israel Conflict highlights a series of abuses, such as the extrajudicial execution of at least 23 Palestinians and the arrest and torture of dozens of others, including members and supporters of Hamas’s political rivals, Fatah.

“It is absolutely appalling that, while Israeli forces were inflicting massive death and destruction upon the people in Gaza, Hamas forces took the opportunity to ruthlessly settle scores, carrying out a series of unlawful killings and other grave abuses,” said Philip Luther, director of the Middle East and North Africa Program at Amnesty International.
“In the chaos of the conflict, the de facto Hamas administration granted its security forces free rein to carry out horrific abuses including against people in its custody. These spine-chilling actions, some of which amount to war crimes, were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip.”

Many of these unlawful killings were publicly billed as attacks against people assisting Israel during the July and August 2014 conflict as part of an operation, codenamed “Strangling Necks,” to target “collaborators.” However, in reality, at least 16 of those executed had been in Hamas custody since before the conflict broke out. Many had been awaiting the outcome of their trials when they were taken away from prison and summarily executed.
Hamas forces also abducted, tortured or attacked members and supporters of Fatah, their main rival political organization within Gaza, including former members of the Palestinian Authority security forces.
Not a single person has been held accountable for the crimes committed by Hamas forces against Palestinians during the 2014 conflict, indicating that these crimes were either ordered or condoned by the authorities.
“Instead of upholding justice, the Hamas authorities and leadership have continuously encouraged and facilitated these appalling crimes against powerless individuals. Their failure to even condemn the unlawful killings, abduction and torture of perceived suspects leaves them effectively with blood on their hands,” said Luther.


With that kind of chaos going on -- no one will ever get an accurate count of who killed who...

Will you accept Amnesty International's reports on Israel with the same gusto as you do for those above?

For example:

"During the war, Israeli forces fired tens of thousands of artillery and tank shells into densely populated residential areas, and launched air strikes on homes across the Gaza Strip, killing families inside in many cases. They struck schools sheltering civilians and attacked hospitals and medical workers, including ambulance staff trying to evacuate the dead and wounded."

Justice for victims of war crimes in Gaza conflict

or

"Amnesty International claims Israeli military committed war crimes during Gaza conflict"

From your link:

On the other side, Palestinian armed groups fired thousands of rockets and mortars towards Israel, and also stored and fired munitions from residential areas of Gaza. Hamas forces executed at least 23 people in Gaza they accused of “collaborating”, and arrested and tortured others.

Oopsies!

 

[Phoenall]

And as it turns out the kill ratio was surprisingly good.

Yes, a tremendous achievement, the Israelis were able to murder about 7 civilians for every 3 combatants and plenty of children who are considered "little snakes" by some Israelis.

"Israel’s new justice minister considers all Palestinians to be ‘the enemy’....referred to Palestinian children as "little snakes" and appeared to justify the mass punishment of Palestinians living under Israeli occupation."

Israel’s new justice minister considers all Palestinians to be ‘the enemy’

" 2,104 Palestinian died, including 1,462 civilians, of whom 495 were children and 253 women."

Gaza crisis: Toll of operations in Gaza - BBC News

By the way, no one buys your human shield propaganda.

And which authority has stated that the Israeli's have committed murder then. Or is this you sensationalising an otherwise mundane action.

You believe in facts then show were these facts don't exist

Hamas fires illegal weapons into Israel targeting children, a war crime and an act of aggression

Israel responds to the illegal weapons by returning fire

Hamas puts it weapons facilities in civilian areas and homes contrary to international laws

Hamas then enlists civilians to protect the weapons taking them of the protected persons list

People get killed as a result and the Palestinians cry foul because they only want half of the Laws to apply

You support Palestine and claim that they can use any and all means to defend themselves, but refuse to say when targeting children outside of the warzone became defence

 

[Phoenall]

And as it turns out the kill ratio was surprisingly good.

Yes, a tremendous achievement, the Israelis were able to murder about 7 civilians for every 3 combatants and plenty of children who are considered "little snakes" by some Israelis.

"Israel’s new justice minister considers all Palestinians to be ‘the enemy’....referred to Palestinian children as "little snakes" and appeared to justify the mass punishment of Palestinians living under Israeli occupation."

Israel’s new justice minister considers all Palestinians to be ‘the enemy’

" 2,104 Palestinian died, including 1,462 civilians, of whom 495 were children and 253 women."

Gaza crisis: Toll of operations in Gaza - BBC News

By the way, no one buys your human shield propaganda.

Yes, a tremendous achievement, the Israelis were able to murder about 7 civilians for every 3 combatants

Stop hiding behind civilians. Fucking Muslim pussies.

Stop repeating Israeli propaganda.

"I saw no evidence of Hamas using Palestinians as human shields"

Jeremy Bowen's Gaza notebook: I saw no evidence of Hamas using Palestinians as human shields

Another blind journo that is afraid of what hamas will do to him if he tells the truth.

 

[Phoenall]

Lot's of complaining about "sources" here. It's NOT the sources fault.. Just because Palestinians were killed during the conflict doesn't EVEN necessarily mean they were killed by Israel.. Did THAT notion ever pop into your heads??

Palestinian rockets killed more Gazans in 2014 war: Amnesty

Jerusalem (AFP) - Amnesty International said Thursday Palestinian rocket fire during the 2014 summer war in Gaza had killed more civilians in the Gaza Strip than in Israel.

Such deadly attacks on civilians on both sides constituted "a war crime," it said.

The damning report urged armed Palestinian groups to end attacks on civilians in Israel and to protect those in the Gaza Strip from the effects of such attacks.

The militant group Hamas, which de facto rules Gaza and led fighting against Israel during the conflict, slammed the report as "biased" and accused Amnesty of being a "Zionist organisation".


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/w...-killing-and-torturing-palestinians.html?_r=0

JERUSALEM — The militant group Hamas used last summer’s war with Israel in the Gaza Strip to carry out extrajudicial killings of at least 23 Palestinians accused of collaborating with Israel and to torture dozens of others, including political rivals, Amnesty International charged in a report issued early Wednesday.

“In the chaos of the conflict, the de facto Hamas administration granted its security forces free rein to carry out horrific abuses, including against people in its custody,” Philip Luther, the director of the Middle East and North Africa Program of Amnesty International, said in a statement. “These spine-chilling actions, some of which amount to war crimes, were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip.”

Hamas, which has not accepted responsibility for the killings, responded to the report by blaming Israel for creating a “situation of chaos” during the war. Mushir al-Masri, a spokesman for Hamas, said that Israel had attacked the Gaza security services, preventing them from managing Palestinian internal affairs properly.

‘Strangling Necks’: Abduction, Torture and Summary Killings of Palestinians by Hamas Forces During the 2014 Gaza/Israel Conflict

Strangling Necks’: Abduction, Torture and Summary Killings of Palestinians by Hamas Forces During the 2014 Gaza/Israel Conflict highlights a series of abuses, such as the extrajudicial execution of at least 23 Palestinians and the arrest and torture of dozens of others, including members and supporters of Hamas’s political rivals, Fatah.

“It is absolutely appalling that, while Israeli forces were inflicting massive death and destruction upon the people in Gaza, Hamas forces took the opportunity to ruthlessly settle scores, carrying out a series of unlawful killings and other grave abuses,” said Philip Luther, director of the Middle East and North Africa Program at Amnesty International.
“In the chaos of the conflict, the de facto Hamas administration granted its security forces free rein to carry out horrific abuses including against people in its custody. These spine-chilling actions, some of which amount to war crimes, were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip.”

Many of these unlawful killings were publicly billed as attacks against people assisting Israel during the July and August 2014 conflict as part of an operation, codenamed “Strangling Necks,” to target “collaborators.” However, in reality, at least 16 of those executed had been in Hamas custody since before the conflict broke out. Many had been awaiting the outcome of their trials when they were taken away from prison and summarily executed.
Hamas forces also abducted, tortured or attacked members and supporters of Fatah, their main rival political organization within Gaza, including former members of the Palestinian Authority security forces.
Not a single person has been held accountable for the crimes committed by Hamas forces against Palestinians during the 2014 conflict, indicating that these crimes were either ordered or condoned by the authorities.
“Instead of upholding justice, the Hamas authorities and leadership have continuously encouraged and facilitated these appalling crimes against powerless individuals. Their failure to even condemn the unlawful killings, abduction and torture of perceived suspects leaves them effectively with blood on their hands,” said Luther.


With that kind of chaos going on -- no one will ever get an accurate count of who killed who...

Will you accept Amnesty International's reports on Israel with the same gusto as you do for those above?

For example:

"During the war, Israeli forces fired tens of thousands of artillery and tank shells into densely populated residential areas, and launched air strikes on homes across the Gaza Strip, killing families inside in many cases. They struck schools sheltering civilians and attacked hospitals and medical workers, including ambulance staff trying to evacuate the dead and wounded."

Justice for victims of war crimes in Gaza conflict

or

"Amnesty International claims Israeli military committed war crimes during Gaza conflict"

Proven Jew hating NGO that will LIE to put over its neo Marxist ideology.

 

[Phoenall]

Lot's of complaining about "sources" here. It's NOT the sources fault.. Just because Palestinians were killed during the conflict doesn't EVEN necessarily mean they were killed by Israel.. Did THAT notion ever pop into your heads??

Palestinian rockets killed more Gazans in 2014 war: Amnesty

Jerusalem (AFP) - Amnesty International said Thursday Palestinian rocket fire during the 2014 summer war in Gaza had killed more civilians in the Gaza Strip than in Israel.

Such deadly attacks on civilians on both sides constituted "a war crime," it said.

The damning report urged armed Palestinian groups to end attacks on civilians in Israel and to protect those in the Gaza Strip from the effects of such attacks.

The militant group Hamas, which de facto rules Gaza and led fighting against Israel during the conflict, slammed the report as "biased" and accused Amnesty of being a "Zionist organisation".


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/w...-killing-and-torturing-palestinians.html?_r=0

JERUSALEM — The militant group Hamas used last summer’s war with Israel in the Gaza Strip to carry out extrajudicial killings of at least 23 Palestinians accused of collaborating with Israel and to torture dozens of others, including political rivals, Amnesty International charged in a report issued early Wednesday.

“In the chaos of the conflict, the de facto Hamas administration granted its security forces free rein to carry out horrific abuses, including against people in its custody,” Philip Luther, the director of the Middle East and North Africa Program of Amnesty International, said in a statement. “These spine-chilling actions, some of which amount to war crimes, were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip.”

Hamas, which has not accepted responsibility for the killings, responded to the report by blaming Israel for creating a “situation of chaos” during the war. Mushir al-Masri, a spokesman for Hamas, said that Israel had attacked the Gaza security services, preventing them from managing Palestinian internal affairs properly.

‘Strangling Necks’: Abduction, Torture and Summary Killings of Palestinians by Hamas Forces During the 2014 Gaza/Israel Conflict

Strangling Necks’: Abduction, Torture and Summary Killings of Palestinians by Hamas Forces During the 2014 Gaza/Israel Conflict highlights a series of abuses, such as the extrajudicial execution of at least 23 Palestinians and the arrest and torture of dozens of others, including members and supporters of Hamas’s political rivals, Fatah.

“It is absolutely appalling that, while Israeli forces were inflicting massive death and destruction upon the people in Gaza, Hamas forces took the opportunity to ruthlessly settle scores, carrying out a series of unlawful killings and other grave abuses,” said Philip Luther, director of the Middle East and North Africa Program at Amnesty International.
“In the chaos of the conflict, the de facto Hamas administration granted its security forces free rein to carry out horrific abuses including against people in its custody. These spine-chilling actions, some of which amount to war crimes, were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip.”

Many of these unlawful killings were publicly billed as attacks against people assisting Israel during the July and August 2014 conflict as part of an operation, codenamed “Strangling Necks,” to target “collaborators.” However, in reality, at least 16 of those executed had been in Hamas custody since before the conflict broke out. Many had been awaiting the outcome of their trials when they were taken away from prison and summarily executed.
Hamas forces also abducted, tortured or attacked members and supporters of Fatah, their main rival political organization within Gaza, including former members of the Palestinian Authority security forces.
Not a single person has been held accountable for the crimes committed by Hamas forces against Palestinians during the 2014 conflict, indicating that these crimes were either ordered or condoned by the authorities.
“Instead of upholding justice, the Hamas authorities and leadership have continuously encouraged and facilitated these appalling crimes against powerless individuals. Their failure to even condemn the unlawful killings, abduction and torture of perceived suspects leaves them effectively with blood on their hands,” said Luther.


With that kind of chaos going on -- no one will ever get an accurate count of who killed who...

I wonder if monte and his enablers will accept these reports from AI or if he will claim they are hasbara like he usually does when his own sources are used against him.

Even the ICC/ICJ and UN have condemned hamas and the Palestinians for their war crimes, acts of war and breaches of International laws. Time to ramp up the pressure and stop all aid.

 

[Phoenall]

Yet there are many pictures of hamas using children as shields making his whole report questionable.

Those pictures have no context, like the picture of the Jewish kids in costume during Purim - how do we really know what these are and when they occurred?

Mouse over the pictures to find their source and you will find out, but that means that you would be defending Palestinians using human shields and so would not be able to live the LIE. Much better to just ignore them and hope they go away.

They are in context to the post I replied to denied hamas uses human shields

I did and it took me to some very iffy blog "idf blog" that, were it pro-Pali, you would label as as a biased Islamonazi source. I wouldn't trust this source for accuracy any more than you would trust Electronic Intifada.

So how does that make the pictures fakes, after all that is true only for the first one. Did you employ the trace feature on google for them to see when they were first used and where ?

You were the one that wasted bandwidth lecturing me on fake photos and biased sources.

AWWWW diddums did you put it into practise and find that they are stock photos from the wire agencies ?

 

[flacaltenn]

Lot's of complaining about "sources" here. It's NOT the sources fault.. Just because Palestinians were killed during the conflict doesn't EVEN necessarily mean they were killed by Israel.. Did THAT notion ever pop into your heads??

Palestinian rockets killed more Gazans in 2014 war: Amnesty

Jerusalem (AFP) - Amnesty International said Thursday Palestinian rocket fire during the 2014 summer war in Gaza had killed more civilians in the Gaza Strip than in Israel.

Such deadly attacks on civilians on both sides constituted "a war crime," it said.

The damning report urged armed Palestinian groups to end attacks on civilians in Israel and to protect those in the Gaza Strip from the effects of such attacks.

The militant group Hamas, which de facto rules Gaza and led fighting against Israel during the conflict, slammed the report as "biased" and accused Amnesty of being a "Zionist organisation".


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/w...-killing-and-torturing-palestinians.html?_r=0

JERUSALEM — The militant group Hamas used last summer’s war with Israel in the Gaza Strip to carry out extrajudicial killings of at least 23 Palestinians accused of collaborating with Israel and to torture dozens of others, including political rivals, Amnesty International charged in a report issued early Wednesday.

“In the chaos of the conflict, the de facto Hamas administration granted its security forces free rein to carry out horrific abuses, including against people in its custody,” Philip Luther, the director of the Middle East and North Africa Program of Amnesty International, said in a statement. “These spine-chilling actions, some of which amount to war crimes, were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip.”

Hamas, which has not accepted responsibility for the killings, responded to the report by blaming Israel for creating a “situation of chaos” during the war. Mushir al-Masri, a spokesman for Hamas, said that Israel had attacked the Gaza security services, preventing them from managing Palestinian internal affairs properly.

‘Strangling Necks’: Abduction, Torture and Summary Killings of Palestinians by Hamas Forces During the 2014 Gaza/Israel Conflict

Strangling Necks’: Abduction, Torture and Summary Killings of Palestinians by Hamas Forces During the 2014 Gaza/Israel Conflict highlights a series of abuses, such as the extrajudicial execution of at least 23 Palestinians and the arrest and torture of dozens of others, including members and supporters of Hamas’s political rivals, Fatah.

“It is absolutely appalling that, while Israeli forces were inflicting massive death and destruction upon the people in Gaza, Hamas forces took the opportunity to ruthlessly settle scores, carrying out a series of unlawful killings and other grave abuses,” said Philip Luther, director of the Middle East and North Africa Program at Amnesty International.
“In the chaos of the conflict, the de facto Hamas administration granted its security forces free rein to carry out horrific abuses including against people in its custody. These spine-chilling actions, some of which amount to war crimes, were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip.”

Many of these unlawful killings were publicly billed as attacks against people assisting Israel during the July and August 2014 conflict as part of an operation, codenamed “Strangling Necks,” to target “collaborators.” However, in reality, at least 16 of those executed had been in Hamas custody since before the conflict broke out. Many had been awaiting the outcome of their trials when they were taken away from prison and summarily executed.
Hamas forces also abducted, tortured or attacked members and supporters of Fatah, their main rival political organization within Gaza, including former members of the Palestinian Authority security forces.
Not a single person has been held accountable for the crimes committed by Hamas forces against Palestinians during the 2014 conflict, indicating that these crimes were either ordered or condoned by the authorities.
“Instead of upholding justice, the Hamas authorities and leadership have continuously encouraged and facilitated these appalling crimes against powerless individuals. Their failure to even condemn the unlawful killings, abduction and torture of perceived suspects leaves them effectively with blood on their hands,” said Luther.


With that kind of chaos going on -- no one will ever get an accurate count of who killed who...

Will you accept Amnesty International's reports on Israel with the same gusto as you do for those above?

For example:

"During the war, Israeli forces fired tens of thousands of artillery and tank shells into densely populated residential areas, and launched air strikes on homes across the Gaza Strip, killing families inside in many cases. They struck schools sheltering civilians and attacked hospitals and medical workers, including ambulance staff trying to evacuate the dead and wounded."

Justice for victims of war crimes in Gaza conflict

or

"Amnesty International claims Israeli military committed war crimes during Gaza conflict"

I do accept most of their observations, but not their leaps to justice and verdicts.. Committing a war crime is a legal term of art. And if the enemy is fighting from "densely populated urban areas" -- then a lot of things need to get checked off.. Did the Hamas military govt make credible to remove non-combatants from the areas in which they conducted military actions? Did the Hamas military govt use abandoned UN schools or hospitals as weapons stashes, command posts or defensive positions? Did Israel make attempts to notify civilian neighborhoods of impending bombing missions?

That kind of evidence. Because it's NOT a war crime til that evidence gets sorted out..

Seems like a lot of Palestinians were VICTIMS of Hamas tho.. And I don't think the top level accounting takes that into consideration...

 

[montelatici]

I see, Amnesty has its ducks in a row when it criticizes the Palestinians, but is mistaken when it criticizes the Israelis. Got it.

 

[Roudy]

I see, Amnesty has its ducks in a row when it criticizes the Palestinians, but is mistaken when it criticizes the Israelis. Got it.

More baloney from the false propagandist:

Hamas DID use schools and hospitals in Gaza Strip as 'human shields'

Finnish TV Reporter at Gaza’s Al Shifa Hospital: ‘It’s True That Rockets Are Launched Here From the Gazan Side Into Israel’ (VIDEO)

Hamas Quietly Admits It Fired Rockets from Civilian Areas

Foreign Journalists Acknowledge Hamas’ Human Shields Tactics

 

[Roudy]

NDTV Exclusive: How Hamas Assembles and Fires Rockets

Indian TV Reporter Films Hamas Assembling, Launching Missiles From Residential Area Outside Hotel Minutes Before Cease-Fire (VIDEO)

 

[Searcher44]

Sanders said he wasn't sure of the numbers, so I don't see what the problem is.

And as it turns out the kill ratio was surprisingly good. Which should silence any critics of Israel given the Arab Muslim propensity to use human and child shields.

I'd have to say "well done Israel" my bet is the US can't claim such an humane kill ratio in any of its modern conflicts.

"humane kill ratio", hmmmm. Is that what might be defined as an oxymoron? Close, I'm not sure if it 100% fits. This reply is late but the post struck a chord. Reminded me of the point people like Chomsky outline - how the murder of 3,000 Americans on 9/11 was punished by the complicity of America in the deaths of 1,000,000+ Arabs, Muslims, any location unlucky resident of the mid-east. And how that fulfilled George Carlin's bit on America's propensity to bomb "brown people". And how it's response to 9/11 destroyed almost totally the positive response, the shared mourning, the outrage the rest of the world felt with America on 9/12. An aggressively militant, domineering America is not a calming peaceful influence. I look at this as one of those foreigners who had that empathetic shared feeling with America who has since seen the American Empire become far beyond anything the British could imagine who also had an Empire on which the Sun Never Set. Globalresearch.ca calls it an "integrated network of military bases and installations which covers the entire Planet (Continents, Oceans and Outer Space)."

This map leaves out little details like America's military base on Diego Garcia in the middle of the Indian Ocean which gives it potential military (and economic) control of the greater parts of 3 continents. The cost of this reach to the American taxpayer is debilitating in its social effects. Bernie Sander's socialist dreams would be perfectly affordable if Corporate America (actually Globalist Corporations) did not need their military enforcement arm to police potential competition in the World.

Whoa, have I gone off on an anti-Imperial rant? I think I have.

 

[American_Jihad]

BERNIE SANDERS' JEWISH PROBLEM
The senator's long anti-Israel track record.
June 15, 2017

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Leftist attorney and lifelong Democrat Alan Dershowitz recently condemned Senator Bernie Sanders for having campaigned in support of Labour Party Leader Jeremy Corbyn in the British election. “There is no doubt that Corbyn and his Labour Party are at the very least tolerant of anti-Semitic rhetoric, if not peddlers of it,” wrote Dershowitz, noting “Corbyn's association with some of the most rancid anti-Semites.” “There are two reasons,” Dershowitz added, “why Sanders would campaign for an anti-Semite: 1) he has allowed Corbyn's socialism to blind him to his anti-Semitism; 2) he doesn't care about Corbyn's anti-Semitism because it is not important enough to him.”

Dershowitz was correct on both counts, and the roots of Sanders' views regarding Israel and the Jewish people can be traced back to his youth.

After college, in 1963, Sanders lived and worked for a number of months in an Israeli kibbutz known as Kibbutz Sha'ar Ha'amakim (KSH), which was co-founded by an Israel-hating Arabist who had previously been arrested as a Soviet spy. The founders of KSH uniformly revered Joseph Stalin, and the Zionist-Marxist youth movement Hashomer Hatzair (HH), which hosted Sanders at the kibbutz, was devoutly loyal to the Soviet Union. As Daniel Greenfield notes, a number of left-wing groups described HH as “Leninist and even Stalinist.” Moreover, says Greenfield, HH made it plain that “its cooperation with Zionists was a temporary expedient” designed to help “pave the way” for a socialist revolution, and that it “viewed Israel's independence” as nothing more than “a transitional phase” in the development of “a bi-national socialist state” that would eventually “destroy Israel.”

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Bernie Sanders has a very ugly track record vis à vis Israel and the Jewish people. Thus it is hardly a surprise that he would throw his political support behind Jeremy Corbyn.

Bernie Sanders' Jewish Problem

 

[theliq]

Sanders said he wasn't sure of the numbers, so I don't see what the problem is.

And as it turns out the kill ratio was surprisingly good. Which should silence any critics of Israel given the Arab Muslim propensity to use human and child shields.

I'd have to say "well done Israel" my bet is the US can't claim such an humane kill ratio in any of its modern conflicts.

"humane kill ratio", hmmmm. Is that what might be defined as an oxymoron? Close, I'm not sure if it 100% fits. This reply is late but the post struck a chord. Reminded me of the point people like Chomsky outline - how the murder of 3,000 Americans on 9/11 was punished by the complicity of America in the deaths of 1,000,000+ Arabs, Muslims, any location unlucky resident of the mid-east. And how that fulfilled George Carlin's bit on America's propensity to bomb "brown people". And how it's response to 9/11 destroyed almost totally the positive response, the shared mourning, the outrage the rest of the world felt with America on 9/12. An aggressively militant, domineering America is not a calming peaceful influence. I look at this as one of those foreigners who had that empathetic shared feeling with America who has since seen the American Empire become far beyond anything the British could imagine who also had an Empire on which the Sun Never Set. Globalresearch.ca calls it an "integrated network of military bases and installations which covers the entire Planet (Continents, Oceans and Outer Space)."

This map leaves out little details like America's military base on Diego Garcia in the middle of the Indian Ocean which gives it potential military (and economic) control of the greater parts of 3 continents. The cost of this reach to the American taxpayer is debilitating in its social effects. Bernie Sander's socialist dreams would be perfectly affordable if Corporate America (actually Globalist Corporations) did not need their military enforcement arm to police potential competition in the World.

Whoa, have I gone off on an anti-Imperial rant? I think I have.

ACTUALLY DIEGO GARCIA is owned b y the UK