Israel continues it's noble....but naive push for peace

[Kalam]

I see this thread has devolved into a bulletin board for propaganda, like every other Palestine-Israel thread since the dawn of USMB... I can't pretend I didn't contribute. I guess 7 pages is a good run.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I see this thread has devolved into a bulletin board for propaganda, like every other Palestine-Israel thread since the dawn of USMB... I can't pretend I didn't contribute. I guess 7 pages is a good run.

Yeah, we are getting into the reruns.

 

[Ropey]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5sgRq5PgzA[/ame]

 

[hipeter924]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5sgRq5PgzA

Don't forget these 'peaceful' protests they have all across the world.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I say the same of your wish.

Both will fall someday. You just do not look far enough ahead and forget history.

I'm afraid not. Looking to history, I see a handful of the faithful overcoming overwhelming odds and establishing a revolutionary new system in accordance with the will of God.

"Prophethood will remain with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain, then Allah will raise it up wherever he wills to raise it up. Afterwards, there will be a Caliphate that follows the guidance of Prophethood remaining with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, He will raise it up whenever He wills to raise it up. Afterwards, there will be a reign of violently oppressive [The reign of Muslim kings who are partially unjust] rule and it will remain with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, there will be a reign of tyrannical rule and it will remain for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, Allah will raise it up whenever He wills to raise it up. Then, there will be a Caliphate that follows the guidance of Prophethood."​

Our destiny awaits.

Mr. Tinmore, and you say that this is not a religious but only a political conflict? Open your eyes, Mr. Tinmore, and see what Israel has to contend with! This is not a post by Marc39, but by the kind of religious fanatics that see the liberation of Palestine "as Allah's will"! (And the funny thing is, that even according to their Koran, Allah promises Israel to Moses' people! So they're going against their own myths.)

The indigenous Muslims, Christians, and Jews of Palestine were all opposed to the foreign takeover of their country. Muslims, Christians, and Jews are still opposed to the foreign takeover of their country.

How can this be a religious conflict?

 

[Ropey]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeAVBYAbn0"]Hamas Spokesmen calls for genocide of all Jews [/ame]

Here's a bit more.

We know ... and are ready ...

 

[georgephillip]

Ready to see yourselves through the eyes of others?

"When people comment on this venomously around the world, we object almost instinctively and say, no, that is too much already.

"It is only anti-Semitic hate propaganda. But with a hand on the heart — are we not becoming, from year to year, more and more like our monstrous caricature, which is drawn by our worst enemies?

"For really, where are we going?

"Think for yourselves, as unpleasant as this may be: Are we becoming more or less racist?

"More or less democratic?

"More or less decent?

"And alas, in our decline to brutality, within this terrible deterioration, if only we could at least take comfort in the fact that we were perhaps becoming worse and more contemptible, but also safer and better protected.

"But once again, with a hand on the heart: Is this true, or is it exactly the opposite?"

Do you see a racist in your morning mirror, Ropey?

Are you becoming the "monstrous caricature" of antisemitic lore?

Here is you peace...

 

[georgephillip]

Are Head Shots Kosher?

What do Gabrielle Giffords, Tom Hurndall and 255 Palestinian children have in common?

"In the past 10 years Israeli forces have killed at least 255 Palestinian minors by fire to the head, and the number may actually be greater, since in many instances the specific bodily location of the lethal trauma is unlisted.

"In addition, this statistic does not include the many more Palestinian youngsters shot in the head by Israeli soldiers who survived, in one form or another."

Got any "Gabby" jokes handy?

Shot in the Head

 

[georgephillip]

How about Hebron jokes?

"I was guarding, and I see in the middle of my shift, around the afternoon, an old man with a cane coming down, an Arab from Abu Sneina, the old man looked 60 plus, with a cane, he gets to the Abu Sneina intersection, to Gross square, and all of a sudden three 16-17 year-old [settler] kids jump on him, they take him down to the floor within a second.

"They take a stone, open up his head.

"They start kicking him on the floor, opening up his head. A 60 year-old man with a stream of blood from his head….

"An officer came on patrol, he didn’t know what they did, so he didn’t catch them. They just ran.

"And immediately the company medic came and started bandaging the old Palestinian, and we took him out in an ambulance…. It shocked me."

Are you shocked, Ropey?

What would Moses say?

David Shulman

 

[docmauser1]

What do Gabrielle Giffords, Tom Hurndall and 255 Palestinian children have in common?

Nuthin'. There were no claims poor Giffords had been shot with an AH-64 Boeing M230 30mm chain gun, of course. Funny, they "were able" to find that palistan kid's galoshes to tell a head shot from that gun. Palisturds lie like pornstars.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

How about Hebron jokes?

"I was guarding, and I see in the middle of my shift, around the afternoon, an old man with a cane coming down, an Arab from Abu Sneina, the old man looked 60 plus, with a cane, he gets to the Abu Sneina intersection, to Gross square, and all of a sudden three 16-17 year-old [settler] kids jump on him, they take him down to the floor within a second.

"They take a stone, open up his head.

"They start kicking him on the floor, opening up his head. A 60 year-old man with a stream of blood from his head….

"An officer came on patrol, he didn’t know what they did, so he didn’t catch them. They just ran.

"And immediately the company medic came and started bandaging the old Palestinian, and we took him out in an ambulance…. It shocked me."

Are you shocked, Ropey?

What would Moses say?

David Shulman

How many obscure articles are you going to scour the Internet for, and pull out of your hat, to prove there are some rotten apples in the bunch? And what is this thing with Moses? He was also a prophet to Christianity and Islam as well.

 

[georgephillip]

What if it's not just a few bad apples?

Christians, Jews and Muslims base their moral beliefs on a bronze-age deity who condoned chattel slavery.

If Moses ever actually existed, he would have had to embrace slavery and child abuse in order to lead.

Doesn't a "god" who approved of slavery make it virtually impossible for those who worship him to ever obtain freedom?

Isn't that exactly what the Rich have desired for the last 5000 years?

 

[High_Gravity]

That is fucking disgusting.

 

[georgephillip]

Where would Israel be without Britain?

 

[georgephillip]

"Did they tell you the purpose of this thing?

To locate weapons. And we didn’t find any weapons in the end. They confiscated kitchen knives. What shook me the most was that there were also thefts there….

"People [soldiers] went into the houses and looked for things to steal.

"This was a village where the people are very poor….

"There was also a thing where one Palestinian (who was known to be mentally ill) yelled at the soldiers, but the soldier decided that he was going to attack him, then they simply exploded at him with blows.

"They hit him in the head with the butt of a weapon, he bled and they brought him to the school, to assemble with the rest."

David Shulman

 

[Ropey]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8VJSHJPDqk"]Hamas Kills Innocent Civilians[/ame]

"We Desire Death Like You Desire Life"

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO81aO7QxbM]YouTube - Hamas we desire death human shields of civilians[/ame]

So, they get what they want.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxveK2OtD8Q"]Hamas Attacks Israeli Civilians[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPs6h76_JOo"]Hamas Rocket Team[/ame]

That is fucking disgusting.

Britanistan...


Too right.

 

[signelect]

This problem has existed for over 2000 years. The UN created Israel in 46 but forgot the Palestinians. Both have a claim to this geography that goes back 1000's of year. One real interesting issue is that while the rest of the middle East back the Palestinians they don't life a finger to help, they just blame Israel. Jordon and Saudi Arabia have more Palestinians that any other country and yet they do not life a finger to help. I think that while most Arabs don't like the Palestinians the hate the Jews.

 

[Ropey]

This problem has existed for over 2000 years. The UN created Israel in 46 but forgot the Palestinians. Both have a claim to this geography that goes back 1000's of year. One real interesting issue is that while the rest of the middle East back the Palestinians they don't life a finger to help, they just blame Israel. Jordon and Saudi Arabia have more Palestinians that any other country and yet they do not life a finger to help. I think that while most Arabs don't like the Palestinians the hate the Jews.

Pretty much, except they did not forget the Palestinians. The Palestinians were hijacked by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, etc. etc. who wanted to drive the Jews into the sea, not have two states....

 

[High_Gravity]

This problem has existed for over 2000 years. The UN created Israel in 46 but forgot the Palestinians. Both have a claim to this geography that goes back 1000's of year. One real interesting issue is that while the rest of the middle East back the Palestinians they don't life a finger to help, they just blame Israel. Jordon and Saudi Arabia have more Palestinians that any other country and yet they do not life a finger to help. I think that while most Arabs don't like the Palestinians the hate the Jews.

Saudi Arabia keeps their Palestinians in camps in the desert. Everyone saw the way the Palestinians double crossed the Kuwaitis when Iraq invaded Kuwait back in 1990, no Arab country wants to have a large population of Palestinians because of that.

 

[signelect]

You guys have it nailed. All that you said is the truth at least according to me. I saw the camps in the desert and Egypt doesn't want to have anything to do with the Palestinians.