Israel attacks Gaza strip after Hamas armed wing parade

[Phoenall]

Pro palestinians hold such great care for Palestinian rights, whine about a freaking water tower, but launching rockets upon children heads' is acceptable in their book.

Well F#ck you. You're hypocrites. Hamas targets were hit. Not civilians. I wish the IDF would do it everyday.

P.S- Penelope, you need to understand. Nobody cares what you believe or not

a water tower is a hamas target?

If hamas use it for more than a water tower then yes, read the Geneva conventions it is all detailed in there

just be honest - you don't care what it is used for, you will excuse any israeli action.

No that is you in regards for illegal attacks on the Jews. The Jews have the right to defend themselves and if you buy a subscription to Google Earth you can see the rockets being fired in real time. But that would burst your bubble and prove that you are wrong every time in regards to Israel's actions against the arab muslim terrorists. Typical nazi Jew hater stance is to blame the Jews for everything

 

[Phoenall]

RoccoR has it correct when he said: you have to articulate that you know the goal, purpose and objective of the operations

So my question for Team Palestine on this thread is to define the GOAL, particularly with respect to Gaza.

Is the goal a self-governing, self-determining territory with good relations and mutual economic gain with Israel, Egypt and other neighbouring nations?

Is the goal to liberate Palestine? (By "liberate", I mean to dismantle Israel, return all of the territory to Arab Muslim rule, and probably do some significant amount of ethnic cleansing of bad Jews.)

Or is there some other goal?


I'd also like to highlight what Lipush said some pages back: If you think Israel bombing Gaza is morally wrong, but do not see Hamas bombing Israel (rockets) as morally wrong -- you are a hypocrit. If you justify Hamas bombing Israel as a morally permissible defensive action, and you don't justify Israel bombing Gaza as a morally permissible defensive action -- you are a hypocrit -- ESPECIALLY if you acknowledge that the goal of the Palestinians is to dismantle Israel and deny Jewish independence, self-determination and self-government.

You are basing your opinion on the premise that there are two equal sides like the US and Canada, for example. Neither has the right to attack the other. That would be contrary to international law.

Israel occupies Palestine. That scenario is ruled by a different set of laws.

SInce when as INTERNATIONAL LAW says that the land is for the Jewish national home, not the islamonazi illegal immigrant national home.

 

[Phoenall]

Targeting civilians is an international war crime in every book.

Israel hits Hamas targets in Gaza Strip after rocket struck border town | Fox News

then why does israel.continue to target civilians?

It doesn't it targets illegal weapons and military targets. It is hamas that forces the civilians to be human shields and make the false claims. As soon as a civilian lifts a finger to help hamas terrorists they lose civilian protected status and become militia.
It is all detailed in the Geneva conventions that have to be read in full so you get the context of what each means

Lying Israeli shill gets his ass kicked. Not to mention a couple of his lies that were not addressed.



You need to reread the Geneva Convention. I believe you are incorrect.

Am I then produce the articles in full that say I am ? Dont forget that you need to use all 5 conventions cross referenced to do so.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RoccoR has it correct when he said: you have to articulate that you know the goal, purpose and objective of the operations

So my question for Team Palestine on this thread is to define the GOAL, particularly with respect to Gaza.

Is the goal a self-governing, self-determining territory with good relations and mutual economic gain with Israel, Egypt and other neighbouring nations?

Is the goal to liberate Palestine? (By "liberate", I mean to dismantle Israel, return all of the territory to Arab Muslim rule, and probably do some significant amount of ethnic cleansing of bad Jews.)

Or is there some other goal?


I'd also like to highlight what Lipush said some pages back: If you think Israel bombing Gaza is morally wrong, but do not see Hamas bombing Israel (rockets) as morally wrong -- you are a hypocrit. If you justify Hamas bombing Israel as a morally permissible defensive action, and you don't justify Israel bombing Gaza as a morally permissible defensive action -- you are a hypocrit -- ESPECIALLY if you acknowledge that the goal of the Palestinians is to dismantle Israel and deny Jewish independence, self-determination and self-government.

You are basing your opinion on the premise that there are two equal sides like the US and Canada, for example. Neither has the right to attack the other. That would be contrary to international law.

Israel occupies Palestine. That scenario is ruled by a different set of laws.

SInce when as INTERNATIONAL LAW says that the land is for the Jewish national home, not the islamonazi illegal immigrant national home.

What, exactly, was the Jewish national home?

 

[Phoenall]

Little demon breath Penelope always sides with Islamo terrorists.
It's what anti God evil freaks do.

anti God, as though the Israel are pro God, give me a break.

Where's your world peace avatar? Love it as you call for genocide like a good anti God freak you are.

I am against genocide which is what the Israelis are doing. I think the Roman trinity avatar can bring back memories of what happens when one fights each other like in Israel/Palestinians. The Romans only came in stop the civil wars in the Judea/Samaritan/Israel infighting.

Who are Isreal performing the act of genocide on then as the arab muslims calling themselves palestinians have increased in numbers every year since 1948. Even after they had reduced the numbers of Christians living in gaza and the west bank by 90%they still increased their own population by 20%. That is the only genocide taking place, and when the Christians have all gone who will you blame for their deaths.


Another islamonazi claim with no supporting evidence

Israel does commit acts of genocide. It is the act, not the effectiveness, that is illegal.

Then why hasn't the UN instructed the ICC/ICJ to arrest the Israelis and charge them with genocide. Could it be that team palestine is LYING again and using false information to deny the Jews their rights under INTERNATIONAL LAW

 

[Phoenall]

Penelope, et al,

In "Military Operations," as well as "Intelligence Operations," the difference between what is "Offensive" (Positive) and "Defensive" (Counter) is a matter distinguished by the purpose and intent, and not methodology, tactics or formation. Just as a "Positive Intelligence" operations may look very similar to a "Counterintelligence" operation (the same methods of operation in direct observation) --- so it is with "Offensive Military Operations" (shoot, move, and communicate) and "Defensive Military Operations."

Examples of "Defensive Operations" which might look like "Offensive Operations" are:

active defense — The employment of limited offensive action and counterattacks to deny a contested area or position to the enemy. See also passive defense. (JP 3-60)

aerospace defense — 1. All defensive measures designed to destroy or nullify attacking enemy aircraft and missiles and also negate hostile space systems. 2. An inclusive term encompassing air defense, ballistic missile defense, and space defense. See also air defense; space defense. (JP 3-27)

air and missile defense — Direct [active and passive] defensive actions taken to destroy, nullify, or reduce the effectiveness of hostile air and ballistic missile threats against friendly forces and assets. Also called AMD. (JP 3-01)

base defense — The local military measures, both normal and emergency, required to nullify or reduce the effectiveness of enemy attacks on, or sabotage of, a base, to ensure that the maximum capacity of its facilities is available to Israeli Defense Forces. (JP 3-10)

counterintelligence — Information gathered and activities conducted to identify, deceive, exploit, disrupt, or protect against espionage, other intelligence activities, sabotage, or assassinations conducted for or on behalf of foreign powers, organizations or persons or their agents, or international terrorist organizations or activities. Also called CI. See also counterespionage; security. (JP 2-01.2)

counterintelligence operations — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation. (JP 2-01.2)

counterterrorism — Activities and operations taken to neutralize terrorists and their organizations and networks in order to render them incapable of using violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies to achieve their goals. Also called CT. See also antiterrorism; combating terrorism; terrorism. (JP 3-26)

counter threat finance — Activities conducted to deny, disrupt, destroy, or defeat the generation, storage, movement, and use of assets to fund activities that support an adversary’s ability to negatively affect Israeli interests. Also called CTF. (JP 3-05)
​

"Lets be clear" , Israel does not do defense, they do offense.

(COMMENT)

Before you can even suggest whether an activity or operation is either "Offensive" or "Defensive" --- you have to articulate that you know the goal, purpose and objective of the operations. The elimination, neutralization or termination of a Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) resource is actually the — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation; normally considered a counterintelligence mission but can be conducted by military resources.

If an Israeli Longbow takes-out a HAMAS leader, it is not an IDF offensive mission (per se). It is the elimination of a threat to Israel; a self-proclaimed Jihadist that has openly declared itself in an armed struggle with Israel and has demonstrated its ability to carry-out that threat. The elimination of this threat is a defensive mission that adds to the protection of the nation and its people. It does not matter the method of operation or the source of the plan; it is a defensive operation no matter what activity carries it out (IDF, Mossad, AMAN, or the Shin Bet).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have the right to throw off over sixty years of military occupation.

So when did they acquire the land they claim is theirs. I cant find any treaty that says the arab muslims will rule over all of palestine and the Jews will be their slaves. What I do find is a treaty that sets aside 22% of palestine for the Jews national home, with the remaining 78% being for the arab muslims national home of trans Jordan

 

[Phoenall]

Penelope, et al,

In "Military Operations," as well as "Intelligence Operations," the difference between what is "Offensive" (Positive) and "Defensive" (Counter) is a matter distinguished by the purpose and intent, and not methodology, tactics or formation. Just as a "Positive Intelligence" operations may look very similar to a "Counterintelligence" operation (the same methods of operation in direct observation) --- so it is with "Offensive Military Operations" (shoot, move, and communicate) and "Defensive Military Operations."

Examples of "Defensive Operations" which might look like "Offensive Operations" are:

active defense — The employment of limited offensive action and counterattacks to deny a contested area or position to the enemy. See also passive defense. (JP 3-60)

aerospace defense — 1. All defensive measures designed to destroy or nullify attacking enemy aircraft and missiles and also negate hostile space systems. 2. An inclusive term encompassing air defense, ballistic missile defense, and space defense. See also air defense; space defense. (JP 3-27)

air and missile defense — Direct [active and passive] defensive actions taken to destroy, nullify, or reduce the effectiveness of hostile air and ballistic missile threats against friendly forces and assets. Also called AMD. (JP 3-01)

base defense — The local military measures, both normal and emergency, required to nullify or reduce the effectiveness of enemy attacks on, or sabotage of, a base, to ensure that the maximum capacity of its facilities is available to Israeli Defense Forces. (JP 3-10)

counterintelligence — Information gathered and activities conducted to identify, deceive, exploit, disrupt, or protect against espionage, other intelligence activities, sabotage, or assassinations conducted for or on behalf of foreign powers, organizations or persons or their agents, or international terrorist organizations or activities. Also called CI. See also counterespionage; security. (JP 2-01.2)

counterintelligence operations — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation. (JP 2-01.2)

counterterrorism — Activities and operations taken to neutralize terrorists and their organizations and networks in order to render them incapable of using violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies to achieve their goals. Also called CT. See also antiterrorism; combating terrorism; terrorism. (JP 3-26)

counter threat finance — Activities conducted to deny, disrupt, destroy, or defeat the generation, storage, movement, and use of assets to fund activities that support an adversary’s ability to negatively affect Israeli interests. Also called CTF. (JP 3-05)
​

"Lets be clear" , Israel does not do defense, they do offense.

(COMMENT)

Before you can even suggest whether an activity or operation is either "Offensive" or "Defensive" --- you have to articulate that you know the goal, purpose and objective of the operations. The elimination, neutralization or termination of a Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) resource is actually the — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation; normally considered a counterintelligence mission but can be conducted by military resources.

If an Israeli Longbow takes-out a HAMAS leader, it is not an IDF offensive mission (per se). It is the elimination of a threat to Israel; a self-proclaimed Jihadist that has openly declared itself in an armed struggle with Israel and has demonstrated its ability to carry-out that threat. The elimination of this threat is a defensive mission that adds to the protection of the nation and its people. It does not matter the method of operation or the source of the plan; it is a defensive operation no matter what activity carries it out (IDF, Mossad, AMAN, or the Shin Bet).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have the right to throw off over sixty years of military occupation.

Good for them. Then they have the right to be obliterated off the face of the earth in response then.

Not true.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

And as you have been shown this does not apply for various reasons. The main one being they were part of Jordan and at war with Israel.


The same could be used against your islamonazi hero's and their actions against the Jews

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I find it to my disadvantage not to have a close approximation of the date in question.

The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.

Who was Israel's boogyman for the forty years of occupation before there was Hamas?

(COMMENT)

After May 1948, the Arab League forming the umbrella over the Arab-Palestinians, with various Arab League members having their ow brand of Arab-Palestinian as a proxy.

VOICES OF PALESTINE: HAJ AMIN AL-HUSSEINI][/SIZE]
]For example, during the incitement which led to the 1929 Arab revolt in Palestine, he (al-Husseini) called for combating and slaughtering "the Jews", not merely Zionists. In fact, most of the Jewish victims of the 1929 Arab revolt were Jews from the centuries old dhimmi communities (e.g., in Hebron), as opposed to recent settlers identified with the Zionist movement.
SOURCE: Nazi collaborator and founder of the Palestinian Arab movement. November 7, 2011

Dr. Cohen is currently completing a book entitled “The Mufti and the Jews - the War of Haj Amin Al Husseini against the Jews of the World”.

"The Prime Minister’s remarks were not far from reality,” he told Arutz Sheva. “There was a plan by the Mufti to burn the Jews from Arab countries and Jews in Palestine after the German victory in the battle of El Alamein in 1943. Haj Amin al-Husseini was an officer in the Turkish army. I have no proof, but apparently he knew about the Armenian Genocide and drew his ideas from that. None of the historians have referred to that.
SOURCE: Historian: The Mufti planned to burn Jews

No one is going to argue the point that the Jewish People were not under the preasure of hostility and assaults by the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and it was all due to Zionist colonization. There were no attacks prior to that.

Apart from 3 in Hebron and about 1000 in other parts of the M.E. that you have been told about and ignored

 

[Phoenall]

RoccoR has it correct when he said: you have to articulate that you know the goal, purpose and objective of the operations

So my question for Team Palestine on this thread is to define the GOAL, particularly with respect to Gaza.

Is the goal a self-governing, self-determining territory with good relations and mutual economic gain with Israel, Egypt and other neighbouring nations?

Is the goal to liberate Palestine? (By "liberate", I mean to dismantle Israel, return all of the territory to Arab Muslim rule, and probably do some significant amount of ethnic cleansing of bad Jews.)

Or is there some other goal?


I'd also like to highlight what Lipush said some pages back: If you think Israel bombing Gaza is morally wrong, but do not see Hamas bombing Israel (rockets) as morally wrong -- you are a hypocrit. If you justify Hamas bombing Israel as a morally permissible defensive action, and you don't justify Israel bombing Gaza as a morally permissible defensive action -- you are a hypocrit -- ESPECIALLY if you acknowledge that the goal of the Palestinians is to dismantle Israel and deny Jewish independence, self-determination and self-government.

You are basing your opinion on the premise that there are two equal sides like the US and Canada, for example. Neither has the right to attack the other. That would be contrary to international law.

Israel occupies Palestine. That scenario is ruled by a different set of laws.

SInce when as INTERNATIONAL LAW says that the land is for the Jewish national home, not the islamonazi illegal immigrant national home.

What, exactly, was the Jewish national home?

Exactly what it says A place the Jews can say is their homeland and nation to defend against all belligerents and violent actions.

What is your national home ?

 

[Phoenall]

Penelope, et al,

In "Military Operations," as well as "Intelligence Operations," the difference between what is "Offensive" (Positive) and "Defensive" (Counter) is a matter distinguished by the purpose and intent, and not methodology, tactics or formation. Just as a "Positive Intelligence" operations may look very similar to a "Counterintelligence" operation (the same methods of operation in direct observation) --- so it is with "Offensive Military Operations" (shoot, move, and communicate) and "Defensive Military Operations."

Examples of "Defensive Operations" which might look like "Offensive Operations" are:

active defense — The employment of limited offensive action and counterattacks to deny a contested area or position to the enemy. See also passive defense. (JP 3-60)

aerospace defense — 1. All defensive measures designed to destroy or nullify attacking enemy aircraft and missiles and also negate hostile space systems. 2. An inclusive term encompassing air defense, ballistic missile defense, and space defense. See also air defense; space defense. (JP 3-27)

air and missile defense — Direct [active and passive] defensive actions taken to destroy, nullify, or reduce the effectiveness of hostile air and ballistic missile threats against friendly forces and assets. Also called AMD. (JP 3-01)

base defense — The local military measures, both normal and emergency, required to nullify or reduce the effectiveness of enemy attacks on, or sabotage of, a base, to ensure that the maximum capacity of its facilities is available to Israeli Defense Forces. (JP 3-10)

counterintelligence — Information gathered and activities conducted to identify, deceive, exploit, disrupt, or protect against espionage, other intelligence activities, sabotage, or assassinations conducted for or on behalf of foreign powers, organizations or persons or their agents, or international terrorist organizations or activities. Also called CI. See also counterespionage; security. (JP 2-01.2)

counterintelligence operations — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation. (JP 2-01.2)

counterterrorism — Activities and operations taken to neutralize terrorists and their organizations and networks in order to render them incapable of using violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies to achieve their goals. Also called CT. See also antiterrorism; combating terrorism; terrorism. (JP 3-26)

counter threat finance — Activities conducted to deny, disrupt, destroy, or defeat the generation, storage, movement, and use of assets to fund activities that support an adversary’s ability to negatively affect Israeli interests. Also called CTF. (JP 3-05)
​

(COMMENT)

Before you can even suggest whether an activity or operation is either "Offensive" or "Defensive" --- you have to articulate that you know the goal, purpose and objective of the operations. The elimination, neutralization or termination of a Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) resource is actually the — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation; normally considered a counterintelligence mission but can be conducted by military resources.

If an Israeli Longbow takes-out a HAMAS leader, it is not an IDF offensive mission (per se). It is the elimination of a threat to Israel; a self-proclaimed Jihadist that has openly declared itself in an armed struggle with Israel and has demonstrated its ability to carry-out that threat. The elimination of this threat is a defensive mission that adds to the protection of the nation and its people. It does not matter the method of operation or the source of the plan; it is a defensive operation no matter what activity carries it out (IDF, Mossad, AMAN, or the Shin Bet).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have the right to throw off over sixty years of military occupation.

Good for them. Then they have the right to be obliterated off the face of the earth in response then.

Not true.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

What's that have to do with defending your nation against --AS YOU CLAIM -- the Palestinians war upon Israel?

You have that backward. It is Israel's war on Palestine.

When did Israel declare war then, and show a link that says this. It was the arab muslims calling themselves palestinians as far back as 1921 that declared war on the Jews and it is still in force

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I find it to my disadvantage not to have a close approximation of the date in question.

The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.

Who was Israel's boogyman for the forty years of occupation before there was Hamas?

(COMMENT)

After May 1948, the Arab League forming the umbrella over the Arab-Palestinians, with various Arab League members having their ow brand of Arab-Palestinian as a proxy.

VOICES OF PALESTINE: HAJ AMIN AL-HUSSEINI][/SIZE]
]For example, during the incitement which led to the 1929 Arab revolt in Palestine, he (al-Husseini) called for combating and slaughtering "the Jews", not merely Zionists. In fact, most of the Jewish victims of the 1929 Arab revolt were Jews from the centuries old dhimmi communities (e.g., in Hebron), as opposed to recent settlers identified with the Zionist movement.
SOURCE: Nazi collaborator and founder of the Palestinian Arab movement. November 7, 2011

Dr. Cohen is currently completing a book entitled “The Mufti and the Jews - the War of Haj Amin Al Husseini against the Jews of the World”.

"The Prime Minister’s remarks were not far from reality,” he told Arutz Sheva. “There was a plan by the Mufti to burn the Jews from Arab countries and Jews in Palestine after the German victory in the battle of El Alamein in 1943. Haj Amin al-Husseini was an officer in the Turkish army. I have no proof, but apparently he knew about the Armenian Genocide and drew his ideas from that. None of the historians have referred to that.
SOURCE: Historian: The Mufti planned to burn Jews

No one is going to argue the point that the Jewish People were not under the preasure of hostility and assaults by the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and it was all due to Zionist colonization. There were no attacks prior to that.

once again, learn history nutter.

What attacks against the Jews were before Britain landed in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket?

See my post

 

[Phoenall]

Targeting civilians is an international war crime in every book.

Israel hits Hamas targets in Gaza Strip after rocket struck border town | Fox News

then why does israel.continue to target civilians?

It doesn't it targets illegal weapons and military targets. It is hamas that forces the civilians to be human shields and make the false claims. As soon as a civilian lifts a finger to help hamas terrorists they lose civilian protected status and become militia.
It is all detailed in the Geneva conventions that have to be read in full so you get the context of what each means

Lying Israeli shill gets his ass kicked. Not to mention a couple of his lies that were not addressed.



You need to reread the Geneva Convention. I believe you are incorrect.

Penelope, et al,

In "Military Operations," as well as "Intelligence Operations," the difference between what is "Offensive" (Positive) and "Defensive" (Counter) is a matter distinguished by the purpose and intent, and not methodology, tactics or formation. Just as a "Positive Intelligence" operations may look very similar to a "Counterintelligence" operation (the same methods of operation in direct observation) --- so it is with "Offensive Military Operations" (shoot, move, and communicate) and "Defensive Military Operations."

Examples of "Defensive Operations" which might look like "Offensive Operations" are:

active defense — The employment of limited offensive action and counterattacks to deny a contested area or position to the enemy. See also passive defense. (JP 3-60)

aerospace defense — 1. All defensive measures designed to destroy or nullify attacking enemy aircraft and missiles and also negate hostile space systems. 2. An inclusive term encompassing air defense, ballistic missile defense, and space defense. See also air defense; space defense. (JP 3-27)

air and missile defense — Direct [active and passive] defensive actions taken to destroy, nullify, or reduce the effectiveness of hostile air and ballistic missile threats against friendly forces and assets. Also called AMD. (JP 3-01)

base defense — The local military measures, both normal and emergency, required to nullify or reduce the effectiveness of enemy attacks on, or sabotage of, a base, to ensure that the maximum capacity of its facilities is available to Israeli Defense Forces. (JP 3-10)

counterintelligence — Information gathered and activities conducted to identify, deceive, exploit, disrupt, or protect against espionage, other intelligence activities, sabotage, or assassinations conducted for or on behalf of foreign powers, organizations or persons or their agents, or international terrorist organizations or activities. Also called CI. See also counterespionage; security. (JP 2-01.2)

counterintelligence operations — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation. (JP 2-01.2)

counterterrorism — Activities and operations taken to neutralize terrorists and their organizations and networks in order to render them incapable of using violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies to achieve their goals. Also called CT. See also antiterrorism; combating terrorism; terrorism. (JP 3-26)

counter threat finance — Activities conducted to deny, disrupt, destroy, or defeat the generation, storage, movement, and use of assets to fund activities that support an adversary’s ability to negatively affect Israeli interests. Also called CTF. (JP 3-05)
​

(COMMENT)

Before you can even suggest whether an activity or operation is either "Offensive" or "Defensive" --- you have to articulate that you know the goal, purpose and objective of the operations. The elimination, neutralization or termination of a Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) resource is actually the — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation; normally considered a counterintelligence mission but can be conducted by military resources.

If an Israeli Longbow takes-out a HAMAS leader, it is not an IDF offensive mission (per se). It is the elimination of a threat to Israel; a self-proclaimed Jihadist that has openly declared itself in an armed struggle with Israel and has demonstrated its ability to carry-out that threat. The elimination of this threat is a defensive mission that adds to the protection of the nation and its people. It does not matter the method of operation or the source of the plan; it is a defensive operation no matter what activity carries it out (IDF, Mossad, AMAN, or the Shin Bet).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have the right to throw off over sixty years of military occupation.

Good for them. Then they have the right to be obliterated off the face of the earth in response then.

Not true.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

What's that have to do with defending your nation against --AS YOU CLAIM -- the Palestinians war upon Israel?[/QUOTE

P F Tinmore, et al,

I find it to my disadvantage not to have a close approximation of the date in question.

(COMMENT)

After May 1948, the Arab League forming the umbrella over the Arab-Palestinians, with various Arab League members having their ow brand of Arab-Palestinian as a proxy.

No one is going to argue the point that the Jewish People were not under the preasure of hostility and assaults by the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and it was all due to Zionist colonization. There were no attacks prior to that.

once again, learn history nutter.

What attacks against the Jews were before Britain landed in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket?

The Balfour Declaration is null and void, since the condition was the Zionist were to live socially among the inhabitants already there, which they have not done. They even got rid of the British, King David Hotel.

Just like a swarm of savages landed in Palestine, at a time when the Palestinians were finally rid of Ottoman rule, they came under Zionist rule.

The Balfour Declaration is null and void, since the condition was the Zionist were to live socially among the inhabitants already there, which they have not done. They even got rid of the British, King David Hotel.

Just like a swarm of savages landed in Palestine, at a time when the Palestinians were finally rid of Ottoman rule, they came under Zionist rule.

But the LoN INTERNATIONAL LAW isnt and is still in place


The "palestinians" fought on the side of the Ottomans which is why they lost any claim to the land. It was signed over to the LoN and the palestinians were omitted from the treaty when land was apportioned. The mufti was not pleased as he thought he would be made king of palestine and became a criminal instead. Try looking at the real history books

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you are going to use that ridiculous defense, then you might want to gain some credibility by telling the "WHOLE STORY."

Penelope, et al,

In "Military Operations," as well as "Intelligence Operations," the difference between what is "Offensive" (Positive) and "Defensive" (Counter) is a matter distinguished by the purpose and intent, and not methodology, tactics or formation. Just as a "Positive Intelligence" operations may look very similar to a "Counterintelligence" operation (the same methods of operation in direct observation) --- so it is with "Offensive Military Operations" (shoot, move, and communicate) and "Defensive Military Operations."

Examples of "Defensive Operations" which might look like "Offensive Operations" are:

active defense — The employment of limited offensive action and counterattacks to deny a contested area or position to the enemy. See also passive defense. (JP 3-60)

aerospace defense — 1. All defensive measures designed to destroy or nullify attacking enemy aircraft and missiles and also negate hostile space systems. 2. An inclusive term encompassing air defense, ballistic missile defense, and space defense. See also air defense; space defense. (JP 3-27)

air and missile defense — Direct [active and passive] defensive actions taken to destroy, nullify, or reduce the effectiveness of hostile air and ballistic missile threats against friendly forces and assets. Also called AMD. (JP 3-01)

base defense — The local military measures, both normal and emergency, required to nullify or reduce the effectiveness of enemy attacks on, or sabotage of, a base, to ensure that the maximum capacity of its facilities is available to Israeli Defense Forces. (JP 3-10)

counterintelligence — Information gathered and activities conducted to identify, deceive, exploit, disrupt, or protect against espionage, other intelligence activities, sabotage, or assassinations conducted for or on behalf of foreign powers, organizations or persons or their agents, or international terrorist organizations or activities. Also called CI. See also counterespionage; security. (JP 2-01.2)

counterintelligence operations — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation. (JP 2-01.2)

counterterrorism — Activities and operations taken to neutralize terrorists and their organizations and networks in order to render them incapable of using violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies to achieve their goals. Also called CT. See also antiterrorism; combating terrorism; terrorism. (JP 3-26)

counter threat finance — Activities conducted to deny, disrupt, destroy, or defeat the generation, storage, movement, and use of assets to fund activities that support an adversary’s ability to negatively affect Israeli interests. Also called CTF. (JP 3-05)
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(COMMENT)

Before you can even suggest whether an activity or operation is either "Offensive" or "Defensive" --- you have to articulate that you know the goal, purpose and objective of the operations. The elimination, neutralization or termination of a Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) resource is actually the — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation; normally considered a counterintelligence mission but can be conducted by military resources.

If an Israeli Longbow takes-out a HAMAS leader, it is not an IDF offensive mission (per se). It is the elimination of a threat to Israel; a self-proclaimed Jihadist that has openly declared itself in an armed struggle with Israel and has demonstrated its ability to carry-out that threat. The elimination of this threat is a defensive mission that adds to the protection of the nation and its people. It does not matter the method of operation or the source of the plan; it is a defensive operation no matter what activity carries it out (IDF, Mossad, AMAN, or the Shin Bet).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have the right to throw off over sixty years of military occupation.

Good for them. Then they have the right to be obliterated off the face of the earth in response then.

Not true.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

(COMMENT)

FIRST --- You did not tell them that the UN Committee that is responsible for monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960); Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24) DOES NOT INCLUDE the Palestine Quest as a one of the Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs) to which the Decolonization Resolution applies. See the table, up-dated this year, for the NSGTs for which this applies. In fact, you will not see any Middle East Nation listed

SECOND --- This particular Resolution does NOT conflict with the basic Charter Mandate [Chapter 1 Article 2(3)] which demands that "all Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered." Even in the case of a colonization connection, the Hostile Arab-Palestinians, by virtue of their policy to continue armed struggle, is the party in breach of Article 68 of the Forth Geneva Convention.

Most Respectfully,
R

You did not mention the UNPC that was supposed to take over the Mandate in 1948 but failed to protect the people and land under its trust.

You did not mention the UNCCP that was charged to solve the Palestinian problem but failed to do its job.

The Decolonization by the UN does not cover Palestine even though the colonizing of Palestine was mentioned in other UN resolutions.

There is a pile of other UN resolutions that address the Palestine problem sitting on the shelf collecting dust with no action taken.

Just because the UN consistently fails the Palestinians does not change the facts on the ground. Israel is the colonization of Palestine.

WRONG ON ALL POINTS AGAIN

 

[Phoenall]

How is their "parade" relevant to the air-force's response to Gaza's crimes yesterday?

What crimes, the make believe ones. Every new defense minister needs to struck his stuff, and well its the 2 year anniversary, we can't let those who live in Gaza think Israel has turned soft.

Firing rockets across the border is a war crime and it is time the UN took action.

Perhaps they would if the entire dance was not mutual.

It's ignorant to believe that israel.ever wants those ineffective rockets to stop

Only if you dance to the islamonazi tune

 

[Phoenall]

What attacks against the Jews were before Britain landed in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket?

Oh, please. You can't be serious. Hebron and Safed 1834.

If you have to go back a hundred years, it must not be a systemic problem.

So we start with the massacre in Medina in 627 shall we and go forward from there

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In any century long dispute, small or large, there are going to be mistakes on both sides of the argument (whatever it may be).

You did not mention the UNPC that was supposed to take over the Mandate in 1948 but failed to protect the people and land under its trust.

You did not mention the UNCCP that was charged to solve the Palestinian problem but failed to do its job.

(COMMENT)

As far as the UNPC is concernment, the Arab League invaded the territory outside their jurisdiction and venue. That necessitated a change in the organizational structure and the mission/mandate. The United Nations Conciliation Commission for Palestine (UNCCP) assumed the functions given to the United Nations Mediator on Palestine by the resolution of the General Assembly of 14 May 1948. The Arab Invasion began the following day in violation of the Charter [Chapter 1, Article 2(4) --- refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state].

The Decolonization by the UN does not cover Palestine even though the colonizing of Palestine was mentioned in other UN resolutions.

(COMMENT)

Without regard to what you think the Decolonization means (using your layman's definition and the interpretation of what YOU think the other non-binding resolutions contribute) in actual fact nowhere near Israel or in the adjacent or immediate vicinity, is there a colonial power at work for the purpose of acquiring territory.

There is a pile of other UN resolutions that address the Palestine problem sitting on the shelf collecting dust with no action taken.

(COMMENT)

Yes, that may be what you see. That does not mean that these dust collectors have not been overtaken by events or superseded in some other fashion.

Just because the UN consistently fails the Palestinians does not change the facts on the ground. Israel is the colonization of Palestine.

(COMMENT)

This appears to be a poor interpretation of what is going on as well.

The establishment of the Jewish State of Israel is not the result of a colonization process. No matter what you want to call the Immigration procedures to encourage and facilitate the close settlement by all Jews on the land --- who are willing to assist in the establishment and reconstitution of their Jewish national home.

Without regard to what the Hostile Arab Palestinians may think today, it was always the case that the Allied Powers having acquired the title and all rights to the territory in question, have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917.

It was not the case that the territory in question --- which was placed under the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration --- was in any fashion --- Arab Palestinian Territory. In the time of the Armistice of Mudros (1918), and the Treaty of Sevres (1920) to the Treaty of Lausanne (1924), The entire case for the hostility generated by the Arab Community and the Palestinians in particular, collapses when it is examined that all the outside territorial frontiers was renounces in favor of the Principal Allied Powers along with all rights and title which she could claim on any ground over or concerning any territories. There is no question here. It is what it is. And all apportionments that the Allied Powers offered to the Arab Palestinians from a time before the last Treaty, to the present day, were rejected by the Arab Palestinians in lieu of "nothing."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

Of course that is a BS answer. Why can't the come and go by sea. Israel has no border there.

Well, there is a maritime border between Gaza and Israel, just as there is a maritime border between Canada and the US.

And, of course, its more complicated than the Canada/US border because of the conflict.

BUT, my point was that Gaza is not a prison. Its a misuse of the word, in order to demonize Israel. (Notice that no one demonizes Egypt for the same border protection). Israel and Egypt, just like every country in the world, has a right to permit or deny entry into their country.

Well, there is a maritime border between Gaza and Israel,

That is only half an answer. It is true that Gaza waters borders with Israeli and Egyptian waters. However, Gaza waters also border on international waters that are free for all to use.

Not quite as simple as that seeing as gaza is under blockade legally anyone leaving gaza would need to show they were leaving to get away from hamas.

 

[ogibillm]

How is their "parade" relevant to the air-force's response to Gaza's crimes yesterday?

What crimes, the make believe ones. Every new defense minister needs to struck his stuff, and well its the 2 year anniversary, we can't let those who live in Gaza think Israel has turned soft.

Firing rockets across the border is a war crime and it is time the UN took action.

Perhaps they would if the entire dance was not mutual.

It's ignorant to believe that israel.ever wants those ineffective rockets to stop

Only if you dance to the islamonazi tune

come on. what makes you think israel wants the rockets to stop? they cause no real damage and give israel cover for whatever it does as well as providing a convenient 'threat' that lets them solicit aid from countries like the united states.

 

[ogibillm]

Pro palestinians hold such great care for Palestinian rights, whine about a freaking water tower, but launching rockets upon children heads' is acceptable in their book.

Well F#ck you. You're hypocrites. Hamas targets were hit. Not civilians. I wish the IDF would do it everyday.

P.S- Penelope, you need to understand. Nobody cares what you believe or not

a water tower is a hamas target?

If hamas use it for more than a water tower then yes, read the Geneva conventions it is all detailed in there

just be honest - you don't care what it is used for, you will excuse any israeli action.

No that is you in regards for illegal attacks on the Jews. The Jews have the right to defend themselves and if you buy a subscription to Google Earth you can see the rockets being fired in real time. But that would burst your bubble and prove that you are wrong every time in regards to Israel's actions against the arab muslim terrorists. Typical nazi Jew hater stance is to blame the Jews for everything

you are far more nazi than i'll ever be.

 

[Lipush]

I bet you wish it, zionist arsehole

Any normal person will wish Hamas' destruction, Terrorist-sympathizer moron