Israel Admits Harvesting Organs Without Families' Permission

[Shogun]

I believe you are speaking about the May 15, 1948 war. By that time the yet to be self proclaimed Israel had already driven about 300,00 indigenous Palestinians (about one third of which were Christians) out of their homes and off their land.

The 1948 war ended with an armistice agreement with those supposedly invading armies. The 1947 war against Palestine was not addressed in that peace agreement. There was, and there still is, no peace agreement ending the 1947 war.

Your time line is off.
First the Arabs defied the UN, in 1947, with one ambassador claiming "Woe to the loser" (though I am certain some of the Arab speakers will dispute that loose translation) and their intent to fight until one side or the other was destroyed (strangely, after they lost, they decided to not elect for their own destruction)
Then ~100,000 Arabs fled the area, then the fighting started and during the fighting another 150,000 fled or were forced out.
Let me rephrase; learn a few facts not biased by a pro-Arab slant.

Why should anyone agree to outsiders giving away your country.

Hey Stucker! I talked to some of your neighbors. They said I could have your house.

save your breath. With the "Israel, right or wrong" crowd any action can be defined as negative only if a non-jew does it. Israel literally has aparthied walls segregating jews from their national unwanteds. I'm sure you are aware that the same actions applied to jews ANYWHERE in the world would illicit the opposite reaction that is usually taken by the Scarlet A posse. Cock Stucker is working on his personal salvation anyway. His bible teaches him to idolize jews and he is no sooner going to give that up than were Pharaohs going to stop believing that they were gods in the flesh.

 

[The Rabbi]

i'm sorry, but i find the idea of citing Ghook funny.

in the extreme.

I wasn't citing GHook, just his sig line. If you want to mock ML King, go right ahead.

i wasn't aware i needed your permission, nor have i been apprised of MLK's infallability.

now i believe you were busy justifying clandestine organ harvesting by the israeli army...

You believe incorrectly. In fact I specifically indicated it was a bad thing. Now get your head back up your fucking ass, jerk off.

 

[del]

I wasn't citing GHook, just his sig line. If you want to mock ML King, go right ahead.

i wasn't aware i needed your permission, nor have i been apprised of MLK's infallability.

now i believe you were busy justifying clandestine organ harvesting by the israeli army...

You believe incorrectly. In fact I specifically indicated it was a bad thing. Now get your head back up your fucking ass, jerk off.

no, no you didn't. in fact, the only post of yours that even mentions the organ harvesting is this one.

And of course the donated organs went to help people, not just the leadership. But any excuse to paint Israel as anti human rights cannot be foregone on this board. Yet more proof that anti-Israel=anti-semitism most of the time.

from there, you went straight back into deflection mode.

I'm struggling to figure out why this is our business?

Because it;s Israel. And anything any Israeli has ever done that can somehow be construed as a negative must go mentioned on this board. Otherwise the anti-semites and jew-haters here will have nothing of substance to contribute.

so tell me, what's the positive aspect of mutilating corpses to steal body parts?

or does asking make me an anti-semite?

 

[Charles Stucker]

so tell me, what's the positive aspect of mutilating corpses to steal body parts?

It beats mutilating live people to obtain the same organs?
I say that because I'm positive I would prefer to not have someone harvest any of my organs while I was alive.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I believe you are speaking about the May 15, 1948 war. By that time the yet to be self proclaimed Israel had already driven about 300,00 indigenous Palestinians (about one third of which were Christians) out of their homes and off their land.

The 1948 war ended with an armistice agreement with those supposedly invading armies. The 1947 war against Palestine was not addressed in that peace agreement. There was, and there still is, no peace agreement ending the 1947 war.

Your time line is off.
First the Arabs defied the UN, in 1947, with one ambassador claiming "Woe to the loser" (though I am certain some of the Arab speakers will dispute that loose translation) and their intent to fight until one side or the other was destroyed (strangely, after they lost, they decided to not elect for their own destruction)
Then ~100,000 Arabs fled the area, then the fighting started and during the fighting another 150,000 fled or were forced out.
Let me rephrase; learn a few facts not biased by a pro-Arab slant.

Perhaps you could post some info that does not have a pro Israel slant.

 

[Charles Stucker]

Perhaps you could post some info that does not have a pro Israel slant.

Manfred Von Richthofen was the Ace with the most kills in WWI.
Erich Hartmann was the ace with the most kills in WWII, as well as the most ever.

Unfortunately for the Pro-Arab side, almost all the true facts in the early days of Israel have a pro Israeli slant.
Irgun is the only group I know of which breaks that trend. The Deir Yassan (Check the Spelling it's been a while) massacre "stained" the purity of arms (Jewish sentiment) to which Israel aspired.
To be fair the Israelis did openly fight against the Irgun group during the 1948 war, something over an Irgun ship smuggling weapons. Look them up, I'm sure you'll find plenty of Arab distortions to fit your perceptions.

 

[del]

Perhaps you could post some info that does not have a pro Israel slant.

Manfred Von Richthofen was the Ace with the most kills in WWI.
Erich Hartmann was the ace with the most kills in WWII, as well as the most ever.

Unfortunately for the Pro-Arab side, almost all the true facts in the early days of Israel have a pro Israeli slant.
Irgun is the only group I know of which breaks that trend. The Deir Yassan (Check the Spelling it's been a while) massacre "stained" the purity of arms (Jewish sentiment) to which Israel aspired.
To be fair the Israelis did openly fight against the Irgun group during the 1948 war, something over an Irgun ship smuggling weapons. Look them up, I'm sure you'll find plenty of Arab distortions to fit your perceptions.

so that's a no.

got it.

 

[strollingbones]

why is it the business of the us...can be answered with one thing...money ...how much aid does the us give israel?

i thought one of the things, jewish people valued was the burying of a complete body. my jewish friends tell me the explosions are used...so that even after the explosions , the muslims can watch the jewish people try to find all the body parts? is that true? if it is...it would seem this practice of taking body parts would be against their religion?

 

[Mr Natural]

Parts is parts.

 

[Charles Stucker]

Perhaps you could post some info that does not have a pro Israel slant.

Manfred Von Richthofen was the Ace with the most kills in WWI.
Erich Hartmann was the ace with the most kills in WWII, as well as the most ever.

so that's a no.

got it.

Technically it's a yes.
And the Deir Yassan massacre is certainly not a "pro-Israeli" event. It gets a lot of negative press because of distortions.

Much like the issue of Organ Harvesting.
Some Israeli Doctors took organs without consent of the deceased's relatives.
That fact got twisted into an accusation of IDF policy of murdering Arabs for their organs.
The taking of organs is a fact, but the alleged IDF policy is deliberate propaganda.

Some doctors illegally harvested organs; it is unclear what penalties are normal or what were used against the perpetrators, but many of the victims were Jewish, it was not targeted solely at Arabs.
It was not Israeli policy.
No one was murdered.
Those two claims were false, but the contention seems to be that if they did harvest any organs then they are guilty of all the charges.

 

[Shogun]

wow. talk about blaming the cookie jar for having your hand in it.

sheesh.

 

[The Rabbi]

i wasn't aware i needed your permission, nor have i been apprised of MLK's infallability.

now i believe you were busy justifying clandestine organ harvesting by the israeli army...

You believe incorrectly. In fact I specifically indicated it was a bad thing. Now get your head back up your fucking ass, jerk off.

no, no you didn't. in fact, the only post of yours that even mentions the organ harvesting is this one.

I
m not sure whether you're lying or just not paying attention. Possibly both. What I wrote was:

So while the actual circumstances are not great and show a lack of judgment it hardly amounts to "ghoulish" or a violation of human rights.

which seems to sum it up pretty well.

 

[Shogun]

again.. talk about making an excuse for cannibalism... sheesh.. The Rabbi would insist that blood drinking jews just want the maximum amount of daily Iron intake.


WOW.


of course.. we ALL know how he'd react if jews were being chop shopped in Syria.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I believe you are speaking about the May 15, 1948 war. By that time the yet to be self proclaimed Israel had already driven about 300,00 indigenous Palestinians (about one third of which were Christians) out of their homes and off their land.

The 1948 war ended with an armistice agreement with those supposedly invading armies. The 1947 war against Palestine was not addressed in that peace agreement. There was, and there still is, no peace agreement ending the 1947 war.

Your time line is off.
First the Arabs defied the UN, in 1947, with one ambassador claiming "Woe to the loser" (though I am certain some of the Arab speakers will dispute that loose translation) and their intent to fight until one side or the other was destroyed (strangely, after they lost, they decided to not elect for their own destruction)
Then ~100,000 Arabs fled the area, then the fighting started and during the fighting another 150,000 fled or were forced out.
Let me rephrase; learn a few facts not biased by a pro-Arab slant.

It is difficult to slant facts.

Even prior to Israel's declaration of statehood on 14 May 1948, an estimated 300,000 Palestinians had fled Palestine, debunking Israeli claims that Palestinian refugees fled at the orders of neighboring Arab countries as a result of the declaration of war against Israel.

http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/ht/...Details!i!2239!pid!2254/filename/Analysis.pdf

Even before the creation of Israel, 300,000 Palestinians were forced off their land.

Palestine -- Demand the right to return

NOTE: This is a critical fact often omitted when the history is presented and this leads to a very distorted view of what happened in 1948. The misleading story often told is that "Jews declared Israel and then they were attacked." The fact is from November 1947 to May 1948 the Zionists were already on the offensive and had already attacked Arabs. In the months before Israel was declared, the Zionists had driven 300,000 non-Jews off their land. In the months before Israel was declared, the Zionists had seized land beyond the proposed Jewish State.

History of Israel: 1947 UN Partition Proposal

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Israel has always claimed that the 1948 war was defensive where it is more or less acceptable to "win" land. What they conveniently leave out is its attack on Palestine in 1947 which would mean that land acquisition is illegal according to international law.

 

[Anguille]

They are equivalent about 90% of the time. The burden is on you to show this is the exception.

The burden is on you to prove your allegations.

That anti-zionism is frequently a code word for anti-semitism? This is obvious, and has been for years. Just check GHook's sig line.

I have sig lines disabled and I'm not about to go enable it and then go searching for posts by Ghook ( Ghook? ) just because you are too lazy to provide the quote to back up your claims.

That anti-Zionists are sometimes also anti-Semites is true. But anti-Zionism is not a code word for anti-Semitism except maybe in the minds of conspiracy freaks. The former is a political stance and the latter is an ethnic and/or religious bigotry, depending on how you define what being a Jew means.

You claim that 90% of anti-Zionists are anti-Semites. I will grant you that that percentage or one close to it may have been an accurate estimation some years ago when Israel was favored by many more westerners than it is now. IMO there are many more people nowadays who are opposed to some of Israel's policies who are not opposed to Judaism. When Israel's supporters try to discredit them by tossing slurs at them like anti-Semite and Jew hater they aren't doing Israel any favors at all. These slurs have been misused for so many decades now that use of them tends to backfire, especially in situations where they were clearly uncalled for.

Now when I hear some Israel supporter calling another poster anti-Semite or Jew-hater my first thought is that the Israel supporter must be so insecure of his/her defence of Israel's actions that they have had to resort to this desperate and no longer effective ploy to deflect attention from their weak arguments.

Anti-Semites do esist. And they can be quite virulent and dangerous. But to go around slinging that accusation at anyone and everyone who questions Israel's actions, instead of engaging in real debate of the issues, shows ignorance.

 

[Anguille]

I guess death from a dominant ethnicity for the sake of human experimenting and picking apart eyeballs like buzzards to carrion only counts if a german does it.

Did you have a chance to read my post linking to this? :

The Daily Telegraph | Breaking news, videos and pictures from Sydney, NSW, Australia and the world | DailyTelegraph /world/israeli-army-admits-stealing-organs/story-e6frev00-1225812349031

"The Channel 2 report said in the 1990s, forensic specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives."

Any thoughts now that it turns out this wasn't an anti-Palestinian thing?