ShaklesOfBigGov
Restore the Republic
I'm concern about terrorist acts in the United States because I live here. Most terrorist acts in the US are perpetrated by homegrown terrorist, not immigrants or refugees.There have hundreds of arrest and have charged lying to the FBI orSo 2 refugees arrested out of 500,000 proves your point. Why not 1 refugee? You're totally ignoring the fact we allow millions of Muslims every year to enter the country for business, pleasure, and education and their vetting is less that of immigrants and far less than refugees. You're also ignoring the fact most our terrorism is not even Islam terrorism.All I really needed to do was give "two" refugees with terrorist intentions to prove my point, among those discivered by our government. Remember, it was first discussed that there wasn't any refugees that could possibly be terrorists, it was an impossibility until I came forward with two. You honestly think that's the most our government has found? Might I also add those refugees that have been named, are among those that are "known" to our intelligence agency. In comparison we have 3 incidence in this nation that might possibly be attributed to home grown terrorists: the Boston marathon bombing, Fort Hood, and San Bernardino. Yet, inviting refugees from known hostile regions, risking bringing more of those terrorists inside our borders, to mingle with "homegrown" terrorist sympathizers that might already be here is a safe gamble? It doesn't even make common sense!!
This is precisely why
75% of Americans believe we are now heading in the WRONG direction,
40% believe terrorism is their biggest concern,
60% say military action is needed
With only 13% against direct intervention
CNN and NBC polls
Closing doors to terrorist regions that support terrorist activities is not proven to increase friction among Muslims. I didn't say I support suspending travel to all Muslim nations, and such action is no different than restricting travel to Germany during World War II. We must enforce our borders, and the only majority you will find that stands opposed to that are strictly among democrat voters themselves.
Rooting our nation's immigration policy in religious bigotry and discrimination will not make America great again. However, it's very likely to be viewed by Muslim extremist both in the US and abroad as provocation to strike back. By refusing to grant visa's to American Muslim family members abroad, we may very well increase the terrorist threat in the US.
Dozens have been arrested for false documents, terrorism and ties to terrorist groups trying to enter the US or already here.
Why worry about training camps abroad. According to Trump we have lots of them operating in the US. It's kind of strange with all these camps right here in the US we only had two Islamic terrorist attacks last year.Comparing the war on terror, specifically Islamic terrorism with WWII is not a valid comparison. In WWII, we stoppled travel from Germany because we were at war with Germany. We are not at war with any country today. We are waging a war against a philosophy that knows no boundary. In WWII, US causalities were in the thousands and tens of thousand a month. Today, causalities within the US in our fight against Islamic terrorism are very low. In 2015, 19 died in 2 Islamic terrorist attacks in the US. In 2014, 7 died in 5 attacks.Show me where this religious bigotry is? Where have I endorsed it? Was it hatred of Germans that forbid open travel between the United State and Germany during World War II? What about when we sent their ambassadors out of the country? Was it hatred that compelled the president to do so? This is where the left begins with their outright blatant lies, simply because someone has come up with a policy solution they don't happen to agree with. In fact the left will use terms such as "religious bigotry" so loosely and often as if it's some form of "tool" to be used on a personal checklist for a lack of finding an adequate defense of their position. I have very serious doubts that you would even know what religious bigotry actually looks like. Either you are capable in defending your position without the need to cry wolf when such views fail, or you can't.
I very specificially said we need to close off regions, that happen to be Muslim, because they are hostile, and promote terrorist activities within their own borders. We have nations in Europe that have already taken such a stand to close their borders, nations like France, Switzerland, and Hungary. I have already provided proof, that you can't refute, how our current system of vetting refugees does not work. While all previous responses on this thread, prior to disclosure of these individuals, would have everyone believe a terrorist couldn't POSSIBLY enter the United States through our compassion to take in refugees.
Here are further examples I can list.
Two Iraqi refugees living in Bowling Green, Ky - Waad Ramadan Alwan, 30, and Mohanad Shareef Hammadi, 23, were found in 2011 of conspiring to arm al Qaeda and other jihadists in Iraq with Stinger missiles, sniper rifles, rocket-propelled grenade launchers as well as cash from within the United States. Of the two, Alwan was involved with a plot to kill U.S soldiers with explosive devices in Iraq before he came into the United States. What happened to the system?
Fazliddin Kurbanov, a Russian-speaking truck driver a refugee from Uzbekistan, was arrested in 2013. He was determined to carry out an attack on U.S. Soil, as well as money to the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, which was identified as a terrorist organization by the U.S. government. The FBI is also investigating dozens of terrorists that have made it into this country as refugees. "I wouldn't be surprised if there were many more than that," said House Committee on Homeland Security Chairman Michael McCaul. "And these are trained terrorists in the art of bombmaking that are inside the United States"
Exclusive: 'Dozens' of Terrorists May Be in US as Refugees
Tightening our borders against those regions which are more susceptible to high terrorist activities and allow for training camps within their borders, is not religious bigotry. We have limited civilian travel between the United States and those nations who seek to harm us before under a state of war. As with the defeat of Nazi Germany, we have reopened our doors once the threat that has influenced a nation or region has changed.
What is surprising, however, is the apparent lack of concern from the left of those innocent lives we have already lost in this country due to these terrorist acts. September 11, Fort Hood, the Boston Bombing, San Bernardino .... how many lives will we lose before liberals DO decide to take our national security seriously?
Which nations are you suggesting that we stop immigration?
World War II was a devious war, as Hitler made allies on one hand while using those nation's unguarded truce to issue his Blitzkrieg. Hitler believed in the idea of creating a third empire, Greece being the first with Rome the second. This is the reason why the Nazis would referred to themselves as being the third reich. Islamic terrorist extremists believe in their own form of world dominance through the spread of their extreme Islamic view of the Koran. Their "view" is to cleanse the world of those infidels that don't accept their interpretation of their faith. Both believed in spreading their vision through the force of world dominance. By sheer military definition, when you use an airliner to purposely attack a nation like a missile, with the sole intent and purpose of inflicting massive casualties, it is considered an act of war. When the Lusitania was sunk by a German U-Boat to intentionally kill innocent civilians, that was an act of war. We ARE today at war with a militant extremist group that is well organized with a hierarchy military based structure, one with terrorist training camps, who uses their view of the Koran to deliberately kill and behead innocent civilians to further their cause of expanding their faith dominance over the world. These extremists can not be negotiated or reasoned with, their intent is clear and its to further bloodshed.
To compare casualties between Workd War II and today as a basis, is invalid. Our technology today is much more advanced, with no need to carpet bomb a city, no need to send hundreds of bombers in order to inflict damage and cut supply lines. Outside of the German V-2 rocket, there was no missile technology to deliver a warhead payload. Today we have cruise missiles and trident subs that can do the same job without the need to place an entire air fleet of pilots, defensive machine gunners, and target bombardiers constantly deep in harms way in an exchange of bombs to guns.
Our nation should not allow refugees from regions that harbor terrorists and has terrorist camps. When they take a stand to show they are aggressively working to overthrow such groups, and refuse to provide for terrorist extremists a safe refuge, only then will we begin to relax our borders to them.
I'd like to see an actual link that supports the talk of these training camps in the United States. Do you have one?
I've exposed a breech in our vetting of refugees that enter our borders. I have also supplied links to back it up. I provided the concerns of Homeland Security Chairman Michael McCau, and his concerns of dozens more terrorists "trained in the art of bomb making" having successfully infiltrated through the system. Why are you concerned about what's going on inside the United States, when we don't even have an adequate front-line defense that's remotely capable of rooting through the many foreign applicants and keeping the terrosist extremists OUT of the country to begin with? Again, I see that liberal democrats are simply not willing to take protecting our homeland seriously.
According to US News and World Report:
Of the more than 300 American deaths from political violence and mass shootings since 9/11, only 33 have come at the hands of Muslim-Americans, according to the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security. It's a well know fact that most terrorist attacks in the US are not Islamic terrorist attacks.
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil Washington's Blog
You can't equate school shootings to terrorism. Unlike muslim terrorist extremist , there is no unified connection to any of these shootings they are all made by individuals each with their own motive. The vast difference here, is the capability of dozens of terrorists that have successfully infiltrated our borders, are trained with art of bomb making ( a key factor admitted through our nation's intelligence ) able to inflict a lot more damage with each attack, and all DURING the Obama administration. Your source is dated, only as current as the middle of the Bush administration at best. More importantly, NONE of what you just stated refutes the fact we have a problem with terrorists using the refugees situation to infiltrate this nation unchecked !!
Also you left out proof behind your statement of these "training camps in the United States".