ISIS Beheads Another Brit

[georgephillip]

It's also possible the US hasn't needed to fight any wars since the end of WWII. Neither Korea,Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, nor Syria posed the slightest existential threat to the US, and it isn't likely IS poses one either. It seems far more likely the US nurtured IS over the past 13 months so that Obama could destroy Syria like Clinton and Bush destroyed Iraq. Eventually these chickens will come home to roost; if so, will you blame Islam or Obama, Clinton, and Bush.

Based on the US's history of messing everything up, it's far more likely ISIS just developed out of a situation the US didn't understand. It has it's convenient points for any US administration interested in keeping the people down though.

I think it's a huge mistake to believe the chaos we see today across the Middle East comes from "messing up" or a "misunderstanding" on the part of some of the best educated people on the planet; what we are seeing today in Syria and Iraq has been planned since the mid 1980s, at least:
"In his Complete Diaries, Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of
the Jewish State stretches: 'From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.'

"Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the U.N.
Special Committee of Enquiry on 9 July 1947: 'The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up
to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon...'"

In the mid-'80s one of the most prominent Jewish intellectual put forth a plan to ensure the survival of Israel by breaking up neighboring Arab states in much the same way we are seeing today:

"The Western front, which on the surface appears more problematic, is in fact less complicated than the
Eastern front, in which most of the events that make the headlines have been taking place recently.

"Lebanon's total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precendent for the entire Arab world
including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track.

"The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unqiue areas such as in Lebanon, is
Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power
of those states serves as the primary short term target.

"Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its
ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a
Shi'ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus
hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and
certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan.

"This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and
security in the area in the long run, and that aim is already within our reach today."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

The architects of the Long War are ethical imbeciles, willing to murder millions of innocent human beings in order to maintain their lifestyles, but it's a huge mistake to think they are incompetent.

 

[Hossfly]

Our country doesn't commit atrocities against it's own citizens. You cannot compare the US to any of those savages.

Yeah, the US has never had slavery, has never committed genocide against the Native American peoples. It doesn't execute innocent people and doesn't destroy the very land they're on to get at oil or gas and wouldn't deny people rights based on how they were born.

No, the US would never do any of those things.

But, sarcasm aside, treating others completely differently to US citizens just because they sit on top of oil, well, I'd say it kind of does make the US look like a bunch of savages. Just ones that have just enough intelligence to justify their savagery.

Back in the day, cowboys 'n' injuns and all that, the US citizens managed to justify their genocide. Trail of tears, destroying the buffalo, just hacking native american women and children to death, among many, MANY acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing committed from people like George Washington well into last century, and I could even argue it's still happening now.

But hey, go ahead and justify your savagery. I know you want to.

Any particular reason you hate America so much? Did you run for Congress and lose? Tch tch.

 

[ChrisL]

It's also possible the US hasn't needed to fight any wars since the end of WWII. Neither Korea,Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, nor Syria posed the slightest existential threat to the US, and it isn't likely IS poses one either. It seems far more likely the US nurtured IS over the past 13 months so that Obama could destroy Syria like Clinton and Bush destroyed Iraq. Eventually these chickens will come home to roost; if so, will you blame Islam or Obama, Clinton, and Bush.

Based on the US's history of messing everything up, it's far more likely ISIS just developed out of a situation the US didn't understand. It has it's convenient points for any US administration interested in keeping the people down though.

I think it's a huge mistake to believe the chaos we see today across the Middle East comes from "messing up" or a "misunderstanding" on the part of some of the best educated people on the planet; what we are seeing today in Syria and Iraq has been planned since the mid 1980s, at least:
"In his Complete Diaries, Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of
the Jewish State stretches: 'From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.'

"Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the U.N.
Special Committee of Enquiry on 9 July 1947: 'The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up
to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon...'"

In the mid-'80s one of the most prominent Jewish intellectual put forth a plan to ensure the survival of Israel by breaking up neighboring Arab states in much the same way we are seeing today:

"The Western front, which on the surface appears more problematic, is in fact less complicated than the
Eastern front, in which most of the events that make the headlines have been taking place recently.

"Lebanon's total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precendent for the entire Arab world
including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track.

"The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unqiue areas such as in Lebanon, is
Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power
of those states serves as the primary short term target.

"Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its
ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a
Shi'ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus
hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and
certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan.

"This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and
security in the area in the long run, and that aim is already within our reach today."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

The architects of the Long War are ethical imbeciles, willing to murder millions of innocent human beings in order to maintain their lifestyles, but it's a huge mistake to think they are incompetent.

Hmm. This sounds suspiciously like a "conspiracy theory" and those that you yourself would laugh at the right for because I could post some "conspiracy theories" about Islam and plans to take over as well. Lol.

Even if this were true, I would support Israel. I trust them MUCH more than I trust any of those Arab nations.

 

[georgephillip]

It's also possible the US hasn't needed to fight any wars since the end of WWII. Neither Korea,Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, nor Syria posed the slightest existential threat to the US, and it isn't likely IS poses one either. It seems far more likely the US nurtured IS over the past 13 months so that Obama could destroy Syria like Clinton and Bush destroyed Iraq. Eventually these chickens will come home to roost; if so, will you blame Islam or Obama, Clinton, and Bush.

Based on the US's history of messing everything up, it's far more likely ISIS just developed out of a situation the US didn't understand. It has it's convenient points for any US administration interested in keeping the people down though.

I think it's a huge mistake to believe the chaos we see today across the Middle East comes from "messing up" or a "misunderstanding" on the part of some of the best educated people on the planet; what we are seeing today in Syria and Iraq has been planned since the mid 1980s, at least:
"In his Complete Diaries, Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of
the Jewish State stretches: 'From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.'

"Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the U.N.
Special Committee of Enquiry on 9 July 1947: 'The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up
to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon...'"

In the mid-'80s one of the most prominent Jewish intellectual put forth a plan to ensure the survival of Israel by breaking up neighboring Arab states in much the same way we are seeing today:

"The Western front, which on the surface appears more problematic, is in fact less complicated than the
Eastern front, in which most of the events that make the headlines have been taking place recently.

"Lebanon's total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precendent for the entire Arab world
including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track.

"The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unqiue areas such as in Lebanon, is
Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power
of those states serves as the primary short term target.

"Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its
ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a
Shi'ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus
hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and
certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan.

"This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and
security in the area in the long run, and that aim is already within our reach today."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

The architects of the Long War are ethical imbeciles, willing to murder millions of innocent human beings in order to maintain their lifestyles, but it's a huge mistake to think they are incompetent.

Hmm. This sounds suspiciously like a "conspiracy theory" and those that you yourself would laugh at the right for because I could post some "conspiracy theories" about Islam and plans to take over as well. Lol.

Even if this were true, I would support Israel. I trust them MUCH more than I trust any of those Arab nations.

Do you notice any conspiracy in Wesley Clark's 2003 revelation about conversations he had in the Pentagon within weeks of 911?
"In Clark's book, Winning Modern Wars, published in 2003, he describes his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in five years: 'As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat.'

"'Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off Iran."
Wesley Clark - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[frigidweirdo]

It's also possible the US hasn't needed to fight any wars since the end of WWII. Neither Korea,Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, nor Syria posed the slightest existential threat to the US, and it isn't likely IS poses one either. It seems far more likely the US nurtured IS over the past 13 months so that Obama could destroy Syria like Clinton and Bush destroyed Iraq. Eventually these chickens will come home to roost; if so, will you blame Islam or Obama, Clinton, and Bush.

Based on the US's history of messing everything up, it's far more likely ISIS just developed out of a situation the US didn't understand. It has it's convenient points for any US administration interested in keeping the people down though.

I think it's a huge mistake to believe the chaos we see today across the Middle East comes from "messing up" or a "misunderstanding" on the part of some of the best educated people on the planet; what we are seeing today in Syria and Iraq has been planned since the mid 1980s, at least:
"In his Complete Diaries, Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of
the Jewish State stretches: 'From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.'

"Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the U.N.
Special Committee of Enquiry on 9 July 1947: 'The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up
to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon...'"

In the mid-'80s one of the most prominent Jewish intellectual put forth a plan to ensure the survival of Israel by breaking up neighboring Arab states in much the same way we are seeing today:

"The Western front, which on the surface appears more problematic, is in fact less complicated than the
Eastern front, in which most of the events that make the headlines have been taking place recently.

"Lebanon's total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precendent for the entire Arab world
including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track.

"The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unqiue areas such as in Lebanon, is
Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power
of those states serves as the primary short term target.

"Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its
ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a
Shi'ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus
hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and
certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan.

"This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and
security in the area in the long run, and that aim is already within our reach today."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

The architects of the Long War are ethical imbeciles, willing to murder millions of innocent human beings in order to maintain their lifestyles, but it's a huge mistake to think they are incompetent.

Hmm. This sounds suspiciously like a "conspiracy theory" and those that you yourself would laugh at the right for because I could post some "conspiracy theories" about Islam and plans to take over as well. Lol.

Even if this were true, I would support Israel. I trust them MUCH more than I trust any of those Arab nations.

Do you notice any conspiracy in Wesley Clark's 2003 revelation about conversations he had in the Pentagon within weeks of 911?
"In Clark's book, Winning Modern Wars, published in 2003, he describes his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in five years: 'As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat.'

"'Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off Iran."
Wesley Clark - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Hardly surprising. Everyone knows the right want to attack Iran.

 

[georgephillip]

Our country doesn't commit atrocities against it's own citizens. You cannot compare the US to any of those savages.

Yeah, the US has never had slavery, has never committed genocide against the Native American peoples. It doesn't execute innocent people and doesn't destroy the very land they're on to get at oil or gas and wouldn't deny people rights based on how they were born.

No, the US would never do any of those things.

But, sarcasm aside, treating others completely differently to US citizens just because they sit on top of oil, well, I'd say it kind of does make the US look like a bunch of savages. Just ones that have just enough intelligence to justify their savagery.

Back in the day, cowboys 'n' injuns and all that, the US citizens managed to justify their genocide. Trail of tears, destroying the buffalo, just hacking native american women and children to death, among many, MANY acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing committed from people like George Washington well into last century, and I could even argue it's still happening now.

But hey, go ahead and justify your savagery. I know you want to.

Any particular reason you hate America so much? Did you run for Congress and lose? Tch tch.

Tell us why you worship America?
Still confusing freedom and war?

 

[Hossfly]

Our country doesn't commit atrocities against it's own citizens. You cannot compare the US to any of those savages.

Yeah, the US has never had slavery, has never committed genocide against the Native American peoples. It doesn't execute innocent people and doesn't destroy the very land they're on to get at oil or gas and wouldn't deny people rights based on how they were born.

No, the US would never do any of those things.

But, sarcasm aside, treating others completely differently to US citizens just because they sit on top of oil, well, I'd say it kind of does make the US look like a bunch of savages. Just ones that have just enough intelligence to justify their savagery.

Back in the day, cowboys 'n' injuns and all that, the US citizens managed to justify their genocide. Trail of tears, destroying the buffalo, just hacking native american women and children to death, among many, MANY acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing committed from people like George Washington well into last century, and I could even argue it's still happening now.

But hey, go ahead and justify your savagery. I know you want to.

Any particular reason you hate America so much? Did you run for Congress and lose? Tch tch.

Tell us why you worship America?
Still confusing freedom and war?

War brings and maintains freedom, America-hater.

 

[georgephillip]

It's also possible the US hasn't needed to fight any wars since the end of WWII. Neither Korea,Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, nor Syria posed the slightest existential threat to the US, and it isn't likely IS poses one either. It seems far more likely the US nurtured IS over the past 13 months so that Obama could destroy Syria like Clinton and Bush destroyed Iraq. Eventually these chickens will come home to roost; if so, will you blame Islam or Obama, Clinton, and Bush.

Based on the US's history of messing everything up, it's far more likely ISIS just developed out of a situation the US didn't understand. It has it's convenient points for any US administration interested in keeping the people down though.

I think it's a huge mistake to believe the chaos we see today across the Middle East comes from "messing up" or a "misunderstanding" on the part of some of the best educated people on the planet; what we are seeing today in Syria and Iraq has been planned since the mid 1980s, at least:
"In his Complete Diaries, Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of
the Jewish State stretches: 'From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.'

"Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the U.N.
Special Committee of Enquiry on 9 July 1947: 'The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up
to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon...'"

In the mid-'80s one of the most prominent Jewish intellectual put forth a plan to ensure the survival of Israel by breaking up neighboring Arab states in much the same way we are seeing today:

"The Western front, which on the surface appears more problematic, is in fact less complicated than the
Eastern front, in which most of the events that make the headlines have been taking place recently.

"Lebanon's total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precendent for the entire Arab world
including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track.

"The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unqiue areas such as in Lebanon, is
Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power
of those states serves as the primary short term target.

"Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its
ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a
Shi'ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus
hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and
certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan.

"This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and
security in the area in the long run, and that aim is already within our reach today."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

The architects of the Long War are ethical imbeciles, willing to murder millions of innocent human beings in order to maintain their lifestyles, but it's a huge mistake to think they are incompetent.

Hmm. This sounds suspiciously like a "conspiracy theory" and those that you yourself would laugh at the right for because I could post some "conspiracy theories" about Islam and plans to take over as well. Lol.

Even if this were true, I would support Israel. I trust them MUCH more than I trust any of those Arab nations.

Do you notice any conspiracy in Wesley Clark's 2003 revelation about conversations he had in the Pentagon within weeks of 911?
"In Clark's book, Winning Modern Wars, published in 2003, he describes his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in five years: 'As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat.'

"'Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off Iran."
Wesley Clark - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Hardly surprising. Everyone knows the right want to attack Iran.

Iran and Russia occupy the innermost rings on most neocon targets, but "liberals" like Clinton and Obama are just as committed to the Long War as conservatives like Bush and Romney.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Any particular reason you hate America so much? Did you run for Congress and lose? Tch tch.

Who said I hate America? Oh, you did. Not me.

Actually, I hate the US govt. I hate it when Democrats are in, I hate it when Republicans are in. There's not much difference and everyone seems to end up worse off all the time.

 

[frigidweirdo]

War brings and maintains freedom, America-hater.

War = passive people
Passive people = draconian laws
Draconian laws = rich people happy
Rich people happy = freedom

Something like that?

 

[Hossfly]

Based on the US's history of messing everything up, it's far more likely ISIS just developed out of a situation the US didn't understand. It has it's convenient points for any US administration interested in keeping the people down though.

I think it's a huge mistake to believe the chaos we see today across the Middle East comes from "messing up" or a "misunderstanding" on the part of some of the best educated people on the planet; what we are seeing today in Syria and Iraq has been planned since the mid 1980s, at least:
"In his Complete Diaries, Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of
the Jewish State stretches: 'From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.'

"Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the U.N.
Special Committee of Enquiry on 9 July 1947: 'The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up
to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon...'"

In the mid-'80s one of the most prominent Jewish intellectual put forth a plan to ensure the survival of Israel by breaking up neighboring Arab states in much the same way we are seeing today:

"The Western front, which on the surface appears more problematic, is in fact less complicated than the
Eastern front, in which most of the events that make the headlines have been taking place recently.

"Lebanon's total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precendent for the entire Arab world
including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track.

"The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unqiue areas such as in Lebanon, is
Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power
of those states serves as the primary short term target.

"Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its
ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a
Shi'ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus
hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and
certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan.

"This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and
security in the area in the long run, and that aim is already within our reach today."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

The architects of the Long War are ethical imbeciles, willing to murder millions of innocent human beings in order to maintain their lifestyles, but it's a huge mistake to think they are incompetent.

Hmm. This sounds suspiciously like a "conspiracy theory" and those that you yourself would laugh at the right for because I could post some "conspiracy theories" about Islam and plans to take over as well. Lol.

Even if this were true, I would support Israel. I trust them MUCH more than I trust any of those Arab nations.

Do you notice any conspiracy in Wesley Clark's 2003 revelation about conversations he had in the Pentagon within weeks of 911?
"In Clark's book, Winning Modern Wars, published in 2003, he describes his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in five years: 'As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat.'

"'Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off Iran."
Wesley Clark - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Hardly surprising. Everyone knows the right want to attack Iran.

Iran and Russia occupy the innermost rings on most neocon targets, but "liberals" like Clinton and Obama are just as committed to the Long War as conservatives like Bush and Romney.

Remember when Bush said it would be a long war? You and your den mates can't fast forward it, Champ.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Iran and Russia occupy the innermost rings on most neocon targets, but "liberals" like Clinton and Obama are just as committed to the Long War as conservatives like Bush and Romney.

I disagree.

I think Obama has just be reacting to events that are generally out of his control. Had he been president in 2001, there wouldn't have been a war with Iraq, there wouldn't have been ISIS, there wouldn't have been uprisings in Egypt, Syria (potentially, these are a bit harder to pin down).

 

[Hossfly]

War brings and maintains freedom, America-hater.

War = passive people
Passive people = draconian laws
Draconian laws = rich people happy
Rich people happy = freedom

Something like that?

That's jabberwocky, Wierdo.

 

[georgephillip]

Our country doesn't commit atrocities against it's own citizens. You cannot compare the US to any of those savages.

Yeah, the US has never had slavery, has never committed genocide against the Native American peoples. It doesn't execute innocent people and doesn't destroy the very land they're on to get at oil or gas and wouldn't deny people rights based on how they were born.

No, the US would never do any of those things.

But, sarcasm aside, treating others completely differently to US citizens just because they sit on top of oil, well, I'd say it kind of does make the US look like a bunch of savages. Just ones that have just enough intelligence to justify their savagery.

Back in the day, cowboys 'n' injuns and all that, the US citizens managed to justify their genocide. Trail of tears, destroying the buffalo, just hacking native american women and children to death, among many, MANY acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing committed from people like George Washington well into last century, and I could even argue it's still happening now.

But hey, go ahead and justify your savagery. I know you want to.

Any particular reason you hate America so much? Did you run for Congress and lose? Tch tch.

Tell us why you worship America?
Still confusing freedom and war?

War brings and maintains freedom, America-hater.

War is slavery, Killer; that's why you signed away your Constitutional rights when you enlisted.

 

[Hossfly]

Iran and Russia occupy the innermost rings on most neocon targets, but "liberals" like Clinton and Obama are just as committed to the Long War as conservatives like Bush and Romney.

I disagree.

I think Obama has just be reacting to events that are generally out of his control. Had he been president in 2001, there wouldn't have been a war with Iraq, there wouldn't have been ISIS, there wouldn't have been uprisings in Egypt, Syria (potentially, these are a bit harder to pin down).

I agree 100%. Obungle would have caved in to the Taliban. His Muslim brothers.

 

[Hossfly]

Our country doesn't commit atrocities against it's own citizens. You cannot compare the US to any of those savages.

Yeah, the US has never had slavery, has never committed genocide against the Native American peoples. It doesn't execute innocent people and doesn't destroy the very land they're on to get at oil or gas and wouldn't deny people rights based on how they were born.

No, the US would never do any of those things.

But, sarcasm aside, treating others completely differently to US citizens just because they sit on top of oil, well, I'd say it kind of does make the US look like a bunch of savages. Just ones that have just enough intelligence to justify their savagery.

Back in the day, cowboys 'n' injuns and all that, the US citizens managed to justify their genocide. Trail of tears, destroying the buffalo, just hacking native american women and children to death, among many, MANY acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing committed from people like George Washington well into last century, and I could even argue it's still happening now.

But hey, go ahead and justify your savagery. I know you want to.

Any particular reason you hate America so much? Did you run for Congress and lose? Tch tch.

Tell us why you worship America?
Still confusing freedom and war?

War brings and maintains freedom, America-hater.

War is slavery, Killer; that's why you signed away your Constitutional rights when you enlisted.

Damn pleasant slavery, Genius. Sign me up.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It's also possible the US hasn't needed to fight any wars since the end of WWII. Neither Korea,Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, nor Syria posed the slightest existential threat to the US, and it isn't likely IS poses one either. It seems far more likely the US nurtured IS over the past 13 months so that Obama could destroy Syria like Clinton and Bush destroyed Iraq. Eventually these chickens will come home to roost; if so, will you blame Islam or Obama, Clinton, and Bush.

Based on the US's history of messing everything up, it's far more likely ISIS just developed out of a situation the US didn't understand. It has it's convenient points for any US administration interested in keeping the people down though.

I think it's a huge mistake to believe the chaos we see today across the Middle East comes from "messing up" or a "misunderstanding" on the part of some of the best educated people on the planet; what we are seeing today in Syria and Iraq has been planned since the mid 1980s, at least:
"In his Complete Diaries, Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of
the Jewish State stretches: 'From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.'

"Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the U.N.
Special Committee of Enquiry on 9 July 1947: 'The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up
to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon...'"

In the mid-'80s one of the most prominent Jewish intellectual put forth a plan to ensure the survival of Israel by breaking up neighboring Arab states in much the same way we are seeing today:

"The Western front, which on the surface appears more problematic, is in fact less complicated than the
Eastern front, in which most of the events that make the headlines have been taking place recently.

"Lebanon's total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precendent for the entire Arab world
including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track.

"The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unqiue areas such as in Lebanon, is
Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power
of those states serves as the primary short term target.

"Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its
ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a
Shi'ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus
hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and
certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan.

"This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and
security in the area in the long run, and that aim is already within our reach today."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

The architects of the Long War are ethical imbeciles, willing to murder millions of innocent human beings in order to maintain their lifestyles, but it's a huge mistake to think they are incompetent.

Perhaps some have been planning this, and trying to make it work, doesn't mean all have. This is often what happens is a collision of interests and when enough, with enough money, collide, things like this happen.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Iran and Russia occupy the innermost rings on most neocon targets, but "liberals" like Clinton and Obama are just as committed to the Long War as conservatives like Bush and Romney.

I disagree.

I think Obama has just be reacting to events that are generally out of his control. Had he been president in 2001, there wouldn't have been a war with Iraq, there wouldn't have been ISIS, there wouldn't have been uprisings in Egypt, Syria (potentially, these are a bit harder to pin down).

I agree 100%. Obungle would have caved in to the Taliban. His Muslim brothers.

Who's talking the Taliban? Oh you are.

I wasn't. So... why are you replying to something that is nothing to do with what I wrote?

 

[Hossfly]

It's also possible the US hasn't needed to fight any wars since the end of WWII. Neither Korea,Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, nor Syria posed the slightest existential threat to the US, and it isn't likely IS poses one either. It seems far more likely the US nurtured IS over the past 13 months so that Obama could destroy Syria like Clinton and Bush destroyed Iraq. Eventually these chickens will come home to roost; if so, will you blame Islam or Obama, Clinton, and Bush.

Based on the US's history of messing everything up, it's far more likely ISIS just developed out of a situation the US didn't understand. It has it's convenient points for any US administration interested in keeping the people down though.

I think it's a huge mistake to believe the chaos we see today across the Middle East comes from "messing up" or a "misunderstanding" on the part of some of the best educated people on the planet; what we are seeing today in Syria and Iraq has been planned since the mid 1980s, at least:
"In his Complete Diaries, Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of
the Jewish State stretches: 'From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.'

"Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the U.N.
Special Committee of Enquiry on 9 July 1947: 'The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up
to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon...'"

In the mid-'80s one of the most prominent Jewish intellectual put forth a plan to ensure the survival of Israel by breaking up neighboring Arab states in much the same way we are seeing today:

"The Western front, which on the surface appears more problematic, is in fact less complicated than the
Eastern front, in which most of the events that make the headlines have been taking place recently.

"Lebanon's total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precendent for the entire Arab world
including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track.

"The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unqiue areas such as in Lebanon, is
Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power
of those states serves as the primary short term target.

"Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its
ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a
Shi'ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus
hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and
certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan.

"This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and
security in the area in the long run, and that aim is already within our reach today."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

The architects of the Long War are ethical imbeciles, willing to murder millions of innocent human beings in order to maintain their lifestyles, but it's a huge mistake to think they are incompetent.

Perhaps some have been planning this, and trying to make it work, doesn't mean all have. This is often what happens is a collision of interests and when enough, with enough money, collide, things like this happen.

You and George could be Ambassadors. To Monaco.

 

[Hossfly]

Iran and Russia occupy the innermost rings on most neocon targets, but "liberals" like Clinton and Obama are just as committed to the Long War as conservatives like Bush and Romney.

I disagree.

I think Obama has just be reacting to events that are generally out of his control. Had he been president in 2001, there wouldn't have been a war with Iraq, there wouldn't have been ISIS, there wouldn't have been uprisings in Egypt, Syria (potentially, these are a bit harder to pin down).

I agree 100%. Obungle would have caved in to the Taliban. His Muslim brothers.

Who's talking the Taliban? Oh you are.

I wasn't. So... why are you replying to something that is nothing to do with what I wrote?

Yeah, it is, Bubbles.