Is Universal Healthcare Detrimental to Your Health?

[JakeStarkey]

Lumpy1, there is nothing to stay out of. Dude is getting rocked back on his heels again, as usual, is all.

 

[Oddball]

And the inevitable self-proclaimed victory...Another hallmark of the terminally puerile

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yepper, nothing other than puerility to add on your part, pard. Hang in there, and you may land a shot.

 

[Lumpy 1]

I once met a lady from Calabass,

you guessed it, she had a big ass,

when she bent over,

they found little Rover,

and a cat that they later called Trance,

What the Hell did you expect, I just made it up.. shezz

 

[PoliticalChic]

Of course it's a right.

1. The massive growth of government in the 20th and 21st centuries is to promote what the government defines as fair and just. Inherent in this is the question of the legitimate role of government in a free society. The Constitution tells what the Founders understood as most of the legitimate powers of the federal government, as listed in the enumerated powers in Article I, section 8. Congress is authorized to do 21 things.

a. Each and every outlay of taxpayer dollars should be viewed and compared to this list, as per bailing out banks, managing car companies, subsidizing farms, etc.

b. America has moved away from the constitutional principle of limited government that made us great and prosperous.

c. The other side of the coin from limited government is individual liberty: private property is the bulwark of freedom. Excessive taxation is, in effect, an attack on private property and free enterprise.

d. A tax represents a government claim on private property, a confiscation of private property that could otherwise be freely spent, or freely invested.

2. The primary justification for increasing the size and scale of government at the expense of liberty is that government alone can achieve what it perceives as good. But, in a free society, what moral right is there for forcibly taking the rightful property of one person and giving it to another person to whom it does not belong?

a. Charity is noble and good when it involves reaching into one’s own pocket.

b. In a free society, such relationships should be voluntary, in that both parties to the exchange feel good about it. A suitor pays to purchase a diamond ring for his adored.

c. Involuntary exchanges means that one party gains while the other loses. A criminal uses a gun to obtain a diamond ring.

Future Prospects for Economic Liberty
Walter Williams
August 2, 2009 lecture for Hillsdale College

Your source is a screwball. I have known Dr. Williams for almost thirty years. Remember that one of his political heroes is John C. Calhoun, who never, ever would have allowed a person of color to be editorializing in public. Calhoun may have let Walter push a broom in the college hallways, though.

Thank you for your critique of Dr. Williams.

And your response to the post would be...?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The post is indicted by its creator. Walt is a a reactionary whacko. He was a moderate conservative thirty years ago, then discovered that he good make good money and, more importantly (to him), notoriety by adoping positions ever increasingly on the fringe.

I have seen both Angela Davis and Walter Williams in the classroom back in the day. Both were great classroom professors. Both economically are nothing more than boils on the butt of American society.

 

[Emma]

Of course it's a right.

1. The massive growth of government in the 20th and 21st centuries is to promote what the government defines as fair and just. Inherent in this is the question of the legitimate role of government in a free society. The Constitution tells what the Founders understood as most of the legitimate powers of the federal government, as listed in the enumerated powers in Article I, section 8. Congress is authorized to do 21 things.
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Yes, and Congress has the authority to create universal healthcare

 

[Lumpy 1]

Of course it's a right.

1. The massive growth of government in the 20th and 21st centuries is to promote what the government defines as fair and just. Inherent in this is the question of the legitimate role of government in a free society. The Constitution tells what the Founders understood as most of the legitimate powers of the federal government, as listed in the enumerated powers in Article I, section 8. Congress is authorized to do 21 things.
<snip>

Yes, and Congress has the authority to create universal healthcare

I suppose we'll find out.... Universal Healthcare = Lawyers Goldmine.

 

[Oddball]

Of course it's a right.

How are you going about defining what a right is?

 

[JakeStarkey]

A right, pragmatically, is going to be whatever a Congressional majority, a Presidential signature, and a Supreme Court positive ruling says a right is going to be.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

A right, pragmatically, is going to be whatever a Congressional majority, a Presidential signature, and a Supreme Court positive ruling says a right is going to be.

Which inversely means that anything a Congressional majority, a Presidential signature, or a Supreme Court ruling says is not a right is not going to be a right. Which means that under this nonsensical positivist interpretation they could take away any right they want whenever they want.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Pragmatically, KevinKennedy, you are correct.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Is Universal Healthcare Detrimental to Your Health?

Not if you are a politician or part of some group favored by the gov't at the moment

 

[Oddball]

A right, pragmatically, is going to be whatever a Congressional majority, a Presidential signature, and a Supreme Court positive ruling says a right is going to be.

Nobody asked you, pinhead.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Remind you are . . . who?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

A right, pragmatically, is going to be whatever a Congressional majority, a Presidential signature, and a Supreme Court positive ruling says a right is going to be.

Which inversely means that anything a Congressional majority, a Presidential signature, or a Supreme Court ruling says is not a right is not going to be a right. Which means that under this nonsensical positivist interpretation they could take away any right they want whenever they want.

and HAVE when the occasion warranted it in the past.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Gentleman.. Gentleman ... never mind I'll stay out of it.....

I just love a good catfight.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Gentleman.. Gentleman ... never mind I'll stay out of it.....

I just love a good catfight.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CezNIRYYGY[/ame]

 

[vethubby12]

Finally, we are getting to the root of the healthcare debate. Is healthcare a right or a privilage? I believe that this is the question that needs to be answered by each individual American before any other question about health care reform can even be asked. The answer to this question is what will govern the rest of the health care reform. Instead of having polls that ask "do you support health care reform" or "do you support a public option". We should have a poll that asks "do you believe that healthcare is a right or a privilage". We, as Americans, have had to answer this kind of question in many phases of our national growth. Whether it was "is it a right or a privilege for blacks to be free men and women" or "is it a right or a privilege for women to have be able to vote" or "is it a right or a privilege for Americans to have public run security and safety". The list goes on and on. In each of these debates, the opposition on both sides have been extensive and sometimes brutal. I have only seen this question asked in an interview of a politician once and that was at a town hall meeting. This is the fundamental debate with healthcare and truly answers the question of should we or shouldn't we. These are just my beliefs.

 

[JakeStarkey]

vethubby, I respect your presentation. I disagree with your conclusion. The great majority of Americans do not care about "right" or "privilege" concerning health care. They want coverage, access, and affordability. They don't want health industry 'death panels' withholding coverage and access, and they want the industry regulated. That is what is going to happen.