CDZ Is Trump more like Grant, Sherman or Churchill?

[Faun]

Pee-wee Herman.

A celebrity sexual deviant child in a man's body.

 

[Syriusly]

So.....Because of the reaction to Trump from the left and the establishment republicans, it reminded me of the story Hugh Hewitt told about President Lincoln when he was told by establisment republican politicians and generals that he needed to get rid of General Grant. These establishment types didn't like Grant, he was not dignified, he drank too much, was a messy dresser....but he knew how to fight the war.....and Lincoln replied to these requests....I can't lose this man, he fights.....

Churchill....another guy that the left wingers and establisment types couldn't stand.....but he knew how to fight.....

So...who is Trump more like....Churchill, Grant or even General Sherman....?

Victor Davis Hanson - Civilization's 'Darkest Hour'

Chamberlain and senior conservative politician Edward Wood both considered Churchill unhinged for believing Britain could survive.


The Bigmouth Tradition of American Leadership

Grant/Sherman

Both Ulysses S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman were military geniuses. Grant was quiet and reflective — at least in his public persona, which gave scant hint that he struggled with alcohol and often displayed poor judgement about those who surrounded him. Sherman was loud. He was often petty, and certainly ready in a heartbeat to engage in frequent feuds, many of them cul de sacs and counter-productive. Sherman threatened to imprison or even hang critical journalists and waged a bitter feud with the secretary of war, Edwin Stanton. Too few, then or now, have appreciated that the uncouth Sherman, in fact, displayed both a prescient genius and an uncanny understanding of human nature. Whereas Grant could brilliantly envision how his armies might beat the enemy along a battle line or capture a key fortress or open a river, Sherman’s insight encompassed whole regions and theaters, in calibrating how both economics and sociology might mesh with military strategy to crush an entire people. For all of Grant’s purported drinking and naïveté about the scoundrels around him, his outward professional bearing, his understated appearance of steadiness and discretion, enhanced his well-earned reputation for masterful control in times of crises. The volatile and loquacious nature of Sherman, in contrast, often hid and diminished appreciation of his talents — in some ways greater than Grant’s. To the stranger, Grant would have seemed the less likely to have had too much to drink and smoked too many daily cigars, Sherman the more prone to all sorts of such addictions.

Read more at: The Bigmouth Tradition of American Leadership

Trump: The Unlikeliest Churchillian

Chamberlain resigned, and Churchill accepted King George VI's appointment to the position of prime minister, but the king, and both parties of Parliament, loathed Churchill.

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To the horror of our 2016 establishment, Donald Trump was elected. He has been as loathed as Churchill was when he took on the P.M. job as the catastrophe at Dunkirk was unfolding. Like Churchill, Trump is a bit reckless with his opinions and his speech. Churchill regularly offended people on both sides of the political spectrum, as does Trump. Churchill was innovative, imaginative. He devised the civilian boat rescue of all those soldiers at Dunkirk. It worked. Trump has, in a year, defeated ISIS, although the media are loath to report that. Trump has revitalized the economy beyond anything Obama was able to do. He has successfully rolled back the restrictive regulations Obama put in place that have strangled the economy and suppressed GDP growth to 2% for eight years.

So far I haven't seen any indication that Trump has the intelligence or balls of any of them.

Except for everything he has done so far....you mean except for that...right?

I mean that in everything he has done so far- he has shown no intelligence or balls of any sorts.

Even putting Trump's name in the same room as these men is an insult to them.

Grant, Sherman and Churchill all volunteered to fight- Trump did everything he could to ensure he would never go into combat.

Oh except of course for Trump's own private Vietnam- of avoiding STD's.

 

[Correll]

I'm fairly certain that Churchill never described the Nazis as "very fine people". So... there's that.

Neither did Trump.

Back up your claim or admit you are a liar.

I didn't mention Rump --- you did. Therefore only you can be a liar. That is, of course, pending refutation.

And here it is now. You're welcome. Yeah he also said "the press has treated them very unfairly" .

But of course the comparison is not quite fair, since Nazis did not exist in Grant's and Sherman's time so they could not have opined on them. So to balance the comment I would venture to say that neither Grant nor Sherman ever said "Black guys counting my money --- I hate it. The only people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day".

Although I suppose either of them might have said, "they don't look like Indians to me, and they don't look like Indians to Indians" .

1. YOur pretense that your statement was not an obvious smear of President Trump is an absurd lie, and dismissed.


2. Your link is full of a falsehoods, the biggest one, ignoring the fact that the rally's stated reason was not "White Nationalism" but to save historical statues.

Designed by the rally organizers to bring in people from OUTSIDE their normal base, ie white nationalists.


Thus, plenty of good people who just were against the tearing down of historical statues, did indeed show up.


3. The White Nationalists did that in a dishonest attempt to inflate their perceived numbers and, thus, relevance. When you call all the people that showed up, white nationalists, you are working with them in that effort.


Why are you allied with the White Nationalists?

 

[jon_berzerk]

I'm fairly certain that Churchill never described the Nazis as "very fine people". So... there's that.

Neither did Trump.

Back up your claim or admit you are a liar.

good luck with that

 

[Pogo]

None of the above. Grant, Sherman and Churchill were all adults.

But given the limitation of these three I guess I would say he's most like Grant, who expelled Jews from his administrative territory of Tennessee/Kentucky/Mississippi.

Why would you use that example...considering Trump is a great friend of Israel....?

Because, as Grant expelled Jews, so Rump (wants to) expel Muslims. In both cases antiConstitutional bullshit bigotry based on religion, and in both cases stopped in their tracks by higher government that doesn't automatically disregard the Constitution.

Same shit, different day.

I guess the case could be made that Rump "burned" Atlantic City just as Sherman "burned" Atlanta, but that's kind of a mixed metaphor. Grant's infamous General Order No. 11 is far more close a parallel. It's the same thing.

 

[Pogo]

I'm fairly certain that Churchill never described the Nazis as "very fine people". So... there's that.

Neither did Trump.

Back up your claim or admit you are a liar.

I didn't mention Rump --- you did. Therefore only you can be a liar. That is, of course, pending refutation.

And here it is now. You're welcome. Yeah he also said "the press has treated them very unfairly" .

But of course the comparison is not quite fair, since Nazis did not exist in Grant's and Sherman's time so they could not have opined on them. So to balance the comment I would venture to say that neither Grant nor Sherman ever said "Black guys counting my money --- I hate it. The only people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day".

Although I suppose either of them might have said, "they don't look like Indians to me, and they don't look like Indians to Indians" .

1. YOur pretense that your statement was not an obvious smear of President Trump is an absurd lie, and dismissed.


2. Your link is full of a falsehoods, the biggest one, ignoring the fact that the rally's stated reason was not "White Nationalism" but to save historical statues.

Designed by the rally organizers to bring in people from OUTSIDE their normal base, ie white nationalists.


Thus, plenty of good people who just were against the tearing down of historical statues, did indeed show up.


3. The White Nationalists did that in a dishonest attempt to inflate their perceived numbers and, thus, relevance. When you call all the people that showed up, white nationalists, you are working with them in that effort.


Why are you allied with the White Nationalists?

Hey, those are his words. You'll have to deal with 'em.

Wassamatta -- buyer's remorse?

And yeah I'm sure hanging on to century-old propaganda transmitters that the city has already decided to remove involves "fine people" oozing in from Ohio and Louisiana including Duke (who has literally been a Nazi before he was a Klan klown), running around with Tiki torches, threatening Jews, beating up black bystanders and running cars into pedestrians. Doesn't get much "finer" than that.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

So.....Because of the reaction to Trump from the left and the establishment republicans, it reminded me of the story Hugh Hewitt told about President Lincoln when he was told by establisment republican politicians and generals that he needed to get rid of General Grant. These establishment types didn't like Grant, he was not dignified, he drank too much, was a messy dresser....but he knew how to fight the war.....and Lincoln replied to these requests....I can't lose this man, he fights.....

Churchill....another guy that the left wingers and establisment types couldn't stand.....but he knew how to fight.....

So...who is Trump more like....Churchill, Grant or even General Sherman....?

Victor Davis Hanson - Civilization's 'Darkest Hour'

Chamberlain and senior conservative politician Edward Wood both considered Churchill unhinged for believing Britain could survive.


The Bigmouth Tradition of American Leadership

Grant/Sherman

Both Ulysses S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman were military geniuses. Grant was quiet and reflective — at least in his public persona, which gave scant hint that he struggled with alcohol and often displayed poor judgement about those who surrounded him. Sherman was loud. He was often petty, and certainly ready in a heartbeat to engage in frequent feuds, many of them cul de sacs and counter-productive. Sherman threatened to imprison or even hang critical journalists and waged a bitter feud with the secretary of war, Edwin Stanton. Too few, then or now, have appreciated that the uncouth Sherman, in fact, displayed both a prescient genius and an uncanny understanding of human nature. Whereas Grant could brilliantly envision how his armies might beat the enemy along a battle line or capture a key fortress or open a river, Sherman’s insight encompassed whole regions and theaters, in calibrating how both economics and sociology might mesh with military strategy to crush an entire people. For all of Grant’s purported drinking and naïveté about the scoundrels around him, his outward professional bearing, his understated appearance of steadiness and discretion, enhanced his well-earned reputation for masterful control in times of crises. The volatile and loquacious nature of Sherman, in contrast, often hid and diminished appreciation of his talents — in some ways greater than Grant’s. To the stranger, Grant would have seemed the less likely to have had too much to drink and smoked too many daily cigars, Sherman the more prone to all sorts of such addictions.

Read more at: The Bigmouth Tradition of American Leadership

Trump: The Unlikeliest Churchillian

Chamberlain resigned, and Churchill accepted King George VI's appointment to the position of prime minister, but the king, and both parties of Parliament, loathed Churchill.

------

To the horror of our 2016 establishment, Donald Trump was elected. He has been as loathed as Churchill was when he took on the P.M. job as the catastrophe at Dunkirk was unfolding. Like Churchill, Trump is a bit reckless with his opinions and his speech. Churchill regularly offended people on both sides of the political spectrum, as does Trump. Churchill was innovative, imaginative. He devised the civilian boat rescue of all those soldiers at Dunkirk. It worked. Trump has, in a year, defeated ISIS, although the media are loath to report that. Trump has revitalized the economy beyond anything Obama was able to do. He has successfully rolled back the restrictive regulations Obama put in place that have strangled the economy and suppressed GDP growth to 2% for eight years.

A cross between Grant and Teddy Roosevelt.

 

[Pogo]

Sherman on steroids and amphetamines.

Nah he's on the opposing side that Sherman fought against

No, actually, he is currently fighting the political party, the democrats, who owned the slaves...you don't know your history.

Political parties didn't own slaves. PEOPLE owned slaves. With or without political parties, of which there were many before the Civil War -- most of which sidestepped the slavery question hoping it would go away. That's in fact why the Whigs disintegrated.

But since you brought his name up, you know who was a slaveowner? Grant.

 

[deanrd]

Sherman on steroids and amphetamines.

Nah he's on the opposing side that Sherman fought against

Trump is not for slavery nor leaving the Union.


Try to be less bat shit crazy.

You don't know those things. He supported Roy Moore and said some Nazi's are good people.

 

[2aguy]

I'm fairly certain that Churchill never described the Nazis as "very fine people". So... there's that.

Neither did Trump.

Back up your claim or admit you are a liar.

I didn't mention Rump --- you did. Therefore only you can be a liar. That is, of course, pending refutation.

And here it is now. You're welcome. Yeah he also said "the press has treated them very unfairly" .

But of course the comparison is not quite fair, since Nazis did not exist in Grant's and Sherman's time so they could not have opined on them. So to balance the comment I would venture to say that neither Grant nor Sherman ever said "Black guys counting my money --- I hate it. The only people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day".

Although I suppose either of them might have said, "they don't look like Indians to me, and they don't look like Indians to Indians" .

1. YOur pretense that your statement was not an obvious smear of President Trump is an absurd lie, and dismissed.


2. Your link is full of a falsehoods, the biggest one, ignoring the fact that the rally's stated reason was not "White Nationalism" but to save historical statues.

Designed by the rally organizers to bring in people from OUTSIDE their normal base, ie white nationalists.


Thus, plenty of good people who just were against the tearing down of historical statues, did indeed show up.


3. The White Nationalists did that in a dishonest attempt to inflate their perceived numbers and, thus, relevance. When you call all the people that showed up, white nationalists, you are working with them in that effort.


Why are you allied with the White Nationalists?

Hey, those are his words. You'll have to deal with 'em.

Wassamatta -- buyer's remorse?

And yeah I'm sure hanging on to century-old propaganda transmitters that the city has already decided to remove involves "fine people" oozing in from Ohio and Louisiana including Duke (who has literally been a Nazi before he was a Klan klown), running around with Tiki torches, threatening Jews, beating up black bystanders and running cars into pedestrians. Doesn't get much "finer" than that.

The ones starting any fights were the black lives matter and antifa thugs......and the democrat politicians in charge who allowed the two left wing racist groups get up close to each other. One car was run into a crowd...and that guys isn't supported in any way by anyone, unlike you guys who immediately defend islam when one of theirs intentionally targets people with cars.....

 

[2aguy]

None of the above. Grant, Sherman and Churchill were all adults.

But given the limitation of these three I guess I would say he's most like Grant, who expelled Jews from his administrative territory of Tennessee/Kentucky/Mississippi.

Why would you use that example...considering Trump is a great friend of Israel....?

Because, as Grant expelled Jews, so Rump (wants to) expel Muslims. In both cases antiConstitutional bullshit bigotry based on religion, and in both cases stopped in their tracks by higher government that doesn't automatically disregard the Constitution.

Same shit, different day.

I guess the case could be made that Rump "burned" Atlantic City just as Sherman "burned" Atlanta, but that's kind of a mixed metaphor. Grant's infamous General Order No. 11 is far more close a parallel. It's the same thing.

Please explain where Trump has stated or even acted to expel muslims......even his travel holds on immigrants from terrorist countries don't target muslims...since of the 52 muslim controlled countries, only 6 have holds on their immigration......and the largest muslim controlled countries aren't on the list.....so you will lie all day long...and the Supreme Court has upheld his immigration holds since that power clearly resides in the executive branch.

Please...explain to us how holding immigration from 6 countries...out of 52 muslim controlled countries is bigotry based on religion. Explain how not holding immigration from the 52 muslim controlled countries with the largest popultions of muslims in the world is bigotry....please....go ahead...try to explain it...

 

[Montrovant]

I'm fairly certain that Churchill never described the Nazis as "very fine people". So... there's that.

Neither did Trump.

Back up your claim or admit you are a liar.

I didn't mention Rump --- you did. Therefore only you can be a liar. That is, of course, pending refutation.

And here it is now. You're welcome. Yeah he also said "the press has treated them very unfairly" .

But of course the comparison is not quite fair, since Nazis did not exist in Grant's and Sherman's time so they could not have opined on them. So to balance the comment I would venture to say that neither Grant nor Sherman ever said "Black guys counting my money --- I hate it. The only people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day".

Although I suppose either of them might have said, "they don't look like Indians to me, and they don't look like Indians to Indians" .

1. YOur pretense that your statement was not an obvious smear of President Trump is an absurd lie, and dismissed.


2. Your link is full of a falsehoods, the biggest one, ignoring the fact that the rally's stated reason was not "White Nationalism" but to save historical statues.

Designed by the rally organizers to bring in people from OUTSIDE their normal base, ie white nationalists.


Thus, plenty of good people who just were against the tearing down of historical statues, did indeed show up.


3. The White Nationalists did that in a dishonest attempt to inflate their perceived numbers and, thus, relevance. When you call all the people that showed up, white nationalists, you are working with them in that effort.


Why are you allied with the White Nationalists?

Hey, those are his words. You'll have to deal with 'em.

Wassamatta -- buyer's remorse?

And yeah I'm sure hanging on to century-old propaganda transmitters that the city has already decided to remove involves "fine people" oozing in from Ohio and Louisiana including Duke (who has literally been a Nazi before he was a Klan klown), running around with Tiki torches, threatening Jews, beating up black bystanders and running cars into pedestrians. Doesn't get much "finer" than that.

The ones starting any fights were the black lives matter and antifa thugs......and the democrat politicians in charge who allowed the two left wing racist groups get up close to each other. One car was run into a crowd...and that guys isn't supported in any way by anyone, unlike you guys who immediately defend islam when one of theirs intentionally targets people with cars.....

You are using an uneven comparison there. In one case, you say that no one supports the driver who ran into the crowd in Charlottesville. In the other case, you say that "you guys" (whoever that means) defend Islam when a Muslim targets people with a car. Why is the first example about defending the individual, and the second about defending an entire religion? Do you think no one defended white nationalism when the driver hit the crowd in Charlottesville? Do you have any examples of people defending an individual Muslim who used a car as a weapon? If not, the comparison fails.

I agree that the Charlottesville rally seems to have been handled poorly by those in charge.

 

[martybegan]

So.....Because of the reaction to Trump from the left and the establishment republicans, it reminded me of the story Hugh Hewitt told about President Lincoln when he was told by establisment republican politicians and generals that he needed to get rid of General Grant. These establishment types didn't like Grant, he was not dignified, he drank too much, was a messy dresser....but he knew how to fight the war.....and Lincoln replied to these requests....I can't lose this man, he fights.....

Churchill....another guy that the left wingers and establisment types couldn't stand.....but he knew how to fight.....

So...who is Trump more like....Churchill, Grant or even General Sherman....?

Victor Davis Hanson - Civilization's 'Darkest Hour'

Chamberlain and senior conservative politician Edward Wood both considered Churchill unhinged for believing Britain could survive.


The Bigmouth Tradition of American Leadership

Grant/Sherman

Both Ulysses S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman were military geniuses. Grant was quiet and reflective — at least in his public persona, which gave scant hint that he struggled with alcohol and often displayed poor judgement about those who surrounded him. Sherman was loud. He was often petty, and certainly ready in a heartbeat to engage in frequent feuds, many of them cul de sacs and counter-productive. Sherman threatened to imprison or even hang critical journalists and waged a bitter feud with the secretary of war, Edwin Stanton. Too few, then or now, have appreciated that the uncouth Sherman, in fact, displayed both a prescient genius and an uncanny understanding of human nature. Whereas Grant could brilliantly envision how his armies might beat the enemy along a battle line or capture a key fortress or open a river, Sherman’s insight encompassed whole regions and theaters, in calibrating how both economics and sociology might mesh with military strategy to crush an entire people. For all of Grant’s purported drinking and naïveté about the scoundrels around him, his outward professional bearing, his understated appearance of steadiness and discretion, enhanced his well-earned reputation for masterful control in times of crises. The volatile and loquacious nature of Sherman, in contrast, often hid and diminished appreciation of his talents — in some ways greater than Grant’s. To the stranger, Grant would have seemed the less likely to have had too much to drink and smoked too many daily cigars, Sherman the more prone to all sorts of such addictions.

Read more at: The Bigmouth Tradition of American Leadership

Trump: The Unlikeliest Churchillian

Chamberlain resigned, and Churchill accepted King George VI's appointment to the position of prime minister, but the king, and both parties of Parliament, loathed Churchill.

------

To the horror of our 2016 establishment, Donald Trump was elected. He has been as loathed as Churchill was when he took on the P.M. job as the catastrophe at Dunkirk was unfolding. Like Churchill, Trump is a bit reckless with his opinions and his speech. Churchill regularly offended people on both sides of the political spectrum, as does Trump. Churchill was innovative, imaginative. He devised the civilian boat rescue of all those soldiers at Dunkirk. It worked. Trump has, in a year, defeated ISIS, although the media are loath to report that. Trump has revitalized the economy beyond anything Obama was able to do. He has successfully rolled back the restrictive regulations Obama put in place that have strangled the economy and suppressed GDP growth to 2% for eight years.

He reminds me more of Patton.

Headstrong, full of himself, and not exactly a wizard at public relations.

 

[jon_berzerk]

None of the above. Grant, Sherman and Churchill were all adults.

But given the limitation of these three I guess I would say he's most like Grant, who expelled Jews from his administrative territory of Tennessee/Kentucky/Mississippi.

Why would you use that example...considering Trump is a great friend of Israel....?

Because, as Grant expelled Jews, so Rump (wants to) expel Muslims. In both cases antiConstitutional bullshit bigotry based on religion, and in both cases stopped in their tracks by higher government that doesn't automatically disregard the Constitution.

Same shit, different day.

I guess the case could be made that Rump "burned" Atlantic City just as Sherman "burned" Atlanta, but that's kind of a mixed metaphor. Grant's infamous General Order No. 11 is far more close a parallel. It's the same thing.

Please explain where Trump has stated or even acted to expel muslims......even his travel holds on immigrants from terrorist countries don't target muslims...since of the 52 muslim controlled countries, only 6 have holds on their immigration......and the largest muslim controlled countries aren't on the list.....so you will lie all day long...and the Supreme Court has upheld his immigration holds since that power clearly resides in the executive branch.

Please...explain to us how holding immigration from 6 countries...out of 52 muslim controlled countries is bigotry based on religion. Explain how not holding immigration from the 52 muslim controlled countries with the largest popultions of muslims in the world is bigotry....please....go ahead...try to explain it...

Please explain where Trump has stated or even acted to expel muslims.

he cant because he is a lying about Trump

 

[mdk]

Taft

 

[Pogo]

None of the above. Grant, Sherman and Churchill were all adults.

But given the limitation of these three I guess I would say he's most like Grant, who expelled Jews from his administrative territory of Tennessee/Kentucky/Mississippi.

Why would you use that example...considering Trump is a great friend of Israel....?

Because, as Grant expelled Jews, so Rump (wants to) expel Muslims. In both cases antiConstitutional bullshit bigotry based on religion, and in both cases stopped in their tracks by higher government that doesn't automatically disregard the Constitution.

Same shit, different day.

I guess the case could be made that Rump "burned" Atlantic City just as Sherman "burned" Atlanta, but that's kind of a mixed metaphor. Grant's infamous General Order No. 11 is far more close a parallel. It's the same thing.

Please explain where Trump has stated or even acted to expel muslims......even his travel holds on immigrants from terrorist countries don't target muslims...since of the 52 muslim controlled countries, only 6 have holds on their immigration......and the largest muslim controlled countries aren't on the list.....so you will lie all day long...and the Supreme Court has upheld his immigration holds since that power clearly resides in the executive branch.

Please...explain to us how holding immigration from 6 countries...out of 52 muslim controlled countries is bigotry based on religion. Explain how not holding immigration from the 52 muslim controlled countries with the largest popultions of muslims in the world is bigotry....please....go ahead...try to explain it...

Really? REALLY?? If you're going to opine and vote you've REALLY got to pay more attention.

​

 

[Pogo]

Neither did Trump.

Back up your claim or admit you are a liar.

I didn't mention Rump --- you did. Therefore only you can be a liar. That is, of course, pending refutation.

And here it is now. You're welcome. Yeah he also said "the press has treated them very unfairly" .

But of course the comparison is not quite fair, since Nazis did not exist in Grant's and Sherman's time so they could not have opined on them. So to balance the comment I would venture to say that neither Grant nor Sherman ever said "Black guys counting my money --- I hate it. The only people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day".

Although I suppose either of them might have said, "they don't look like Indians to me, and they don't look like Indians to Indians" .

1. YOur pretense that your statement was not an obvious smear of President Trump is an absurd lie, and dismissed.


2. Your link is full of a falsehoods, the biggest one, ignoring the fact that the rally's stated reason was not "White Nationalism" but to save historical statues.

Designed by the rally organizers to bring in people from OUTSIDE their normal base, ie white nationalists.


Thus, plenty of good people who just were against the tearing down of historical statues, did indeed show up.


3. The White Nationalists did that in a dishonest attempt to inflate their perceived numbers and, thus, relevance. When you call all the people that showed up, white nationalists, you are working with them in that effort.


Why are you allied with the White Nationalists?

Hey, those are his words. You'll have to deal with 'em.

Wassamatta -- buyer's remorse?

And yeah I'm sure hanging on to century-old propaganda transmitters that the city has already decided to remove involves "fine people" oozing in from Ohio and Louisiana including Duke (who has literally been a Nazi before he was a Klan klown), running around with Tiki torches, threatening Jews, beating up black bystanders and running cars into pedestrians. Doesn't get much "finer" than that.

The ones starting any fights were the black lives matter and antifa thugs......and the democrat politicians in charge who allowed the two left wing racist groups get up close to each other. One car was run into a crowd...and that guys isn't supported in any way by anyone, unlike you guys who immediately defend islam when one of theirs intentionally targets people with cars.....

You are using an uneven comparison there. In one case, you say that no one supports the driver who ran into the crowd in Charlottesville. In the other case, you say that "you guys" (whoever that means) defend Islam when a Muslim targets people with a car. Why is the first example about defending the individual, and the second about defending an entire religion? Do you think no one defended white nationalism when the driver hit the crowd in Charlottesville? Do you have any examples of people defending an individual Muslim who used a car as a weapon? If not, the comparison fails.

I agree that the Charlottesville rally seems to have been handled poorly by those in charge.

The comparison is astute.

Especially since driving a car, even doing so as a lethal weapon, has nothing to do with a religion. As we noted half a year ago, nobody was jumping up and down demanding to know what James Fields' religion is.

 

[2aguy]

None of the above. Grant, Sherman and Churchill were all adults.

But given the limitation of these three I guess I would say he's most like Grant, who expelled Jews from his administrative territory of Tennessee/Kentucky/Mississippi.

Why would you use that example...considering Trump is a great friend of Israel....?

Because, as Grant expelled Jews, so Rump (wants to) expel Muslims. In both cases antiConstitutional bullshit bigotry based on religion, and in both cases stopped in their tracks by higher government that doesn't automatically disregard the Constitution.

Same shit, different day.

I guess the case could be made that Rump "burned" Atlantic City just as Sherman "burned" Atlanta, but that's kind of a mixed metaphor. Grant's infamous General Order No. 11 is far more close a parallel. It's the same thing.

Please explain where Trump has stated or even acted to expel muslims......even his travel holds on immigrants from terrorist countries don't target muslims...since of the 52 muslim controlled countries, only 6 have holds on their immigration......and the largest muslim controlled countries aren't on the list.....so you will lie all day long...and the Supreme Court has upheld his immigration holds since that power clearly resides in the executive branch.

Please...explain to us how holding immigration from 6 countries...out of 52 muslim controlled countries is bigotry based on religion. Explain how not holding immigration from the 52 muslim controlled countries with the largest popultions of muslims in the world is bigotry....please....go ahead...try to explain it...

Really? REALLY?? If you're going to opine and vote you've REALLY got to pay more attention.

​

And what did he actually do? He used the list created by obama and put a hold on immigration from those countries...that is what he actually did, genius. There are 52 muslim controlled countries in the world...so again, please explain how putting a temporary hold on immigration from 6 countries with muslim populations equals expelling muslims from this country or even banning them from entering...considering the muslim countries with the largest muslim populations are no on that list....

Please...explain...

 

[Pogo]

None of the above. Grant, Sherman and Churchill were all adults.

But given the limitation of these three I guess I would say he's most like Grant, who expelled Jews from his administrative territory of Tennessee/Kentucky/Mississippi.

Why would you use that example...considering Trump is a great friend of Israel....?

Because, as Grant expelled Jews, so Rump (wants to) expel Muslims. In both cases antiConstitutional bullshit bigotry based on religion, and in both cases stopped in their tracks by higher government that doesn't automatically disregard the Constitution.

Same shit, different day.

I guess the case could be made that Rump "burned" Atlantic City just as Sherman "burned" Atlanta, but that's kind of a mixed metaphor. Grant's infamous General Order No. 11 is far more close a parallel. It's the same thing.

Please explain where Trump has stated or even acted to expel muslims......even his travel holds on immigrants from terrorist countries don't target muslims...since of the 52 muslim controlled countries, only 6 have holds on their immigration......and the largest muslim controlled countries aren't on the list.....so you will lie all day long...and the Supreme Court has upheld his immigration holds since that power clearly resides in the executive branch.

Please...explain to us how holding immigration from 6 countries...out of 52 muslim controlled countries is bigotry based on religion. Explain how not holding immigration from the 52 muslim controlled countries with the largest popultions of muslims in the world is bigotry....please....go ahead...try to explain it...

Really? REALLY?? If you're going to opine and vote you've REALLY got to pay more attention.

​

And what did he actually do? He used the list created by obama and put a hold on immigration from those countries...that is what he actually did, genius. There are 52 muslim controlled countries in the world...so again, please explain how putting a temporary hold on immigration from 6 countries with muslim populations equals expelling muslims from this country or even banning them from entering...considering the muslim countries with the largest muslim populations are no on that list....

Please...explain...

Once again I gave you Rump's own words, spewing from Rump's own orange mouth. On video. You'll have to deal with them as they're not going away.

 

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None of the above. Grant, Sherman and Churchill were all adults.

But given the limitation of these three I guess I would say he's most like Grant, who expelled Jews from his administrative territory of Tennessee/Kentucky/Mississippi.

Why would you use that example...considering Trump is a great friend of Israel....?

Because, as Grant expelled Jews, so Rump (wants to) expel Muslims. In both cases antiConstitutional bullshit bigotry based on religion, and in both cases stopped in their tracks by higher government that doesn't automatically disregard the Constitution.

Same shit, different day.

I guess the case could be made that Rump "burned" Atlantic City just as Sherman "burned" Atlanta, but that's kind of a mixed metaphor. Grant's infamous General Order No. 11 is far more close a parallel. It's the same thing.

Please explain where Trump has stated or even acted to expel muslims......even his travel holds on immigrants from terrorist countries don't target muslims...since of the 52 muslim controlled countries, only 6 have holds on their immigration......and the largest muslim controlled countries aren't on the list.....so you will lie all day long...and the Supreme Court has upheld his immigration holds since that power clearly resides in the executive branch.

Please...explain to us how holding immigration from 6 countries...out of 52 muslim controlled countries is bigotry based on religion. Explain how not holding immigration from the 52 muslim controlled countries with the largest popultions of muslims in the world is bigotry....please....go ahead...try to explain it...

Please explain where Trump has stated or even acted to expel muslims.

he cant because he is a lying about Trump

He did, because it's on video. Nothing you can do about that except acknowledge it.

The transparent revisionism going on in the OP by the way, is trying to "legitimize" Rump by comparing three military officers with an entitled elitist wimp who wiggled out of the same service claiming "bone spurs while playing squash" and then had the callous effrontery to claim he served his "own personal Vietnam" by avoiding AIDS in New York sex clubs.