CDZ Is Trump more like Grant, Sherman or Churchill?

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Is President Trump more like.....

  1. General Grant

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  2. General Sherman

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  3. Winston Churchill

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    So.....Because of the reaction to Trump from the left and the establishment republicans, it reminded me of the story Hugh Hewitt told about President Lincoln when he was told by establisment republican politicians and generals that he needed to get rid of General Grant. These establishment types didn't like Grant, he was not dignified, he drank too much, was a messy dresser....but he knew how to fight the war.....and Lincoln replied to these requests....I can't lose this man, he fights.....

    Churchill....another guy that the left wingers and establisment types couldn't stand.....but he knew how to fight.....

    So...who is Trump more like....Churchill, Grant or even General Sherman....?

    Victor Davis Hanson - Civilization's 'Darkest Hour'

    Chamberlain and senior conservative politician Edward Wood both considered Churchill unhinged for believing Britain could survive.


    The Bigmouth Tradition of American Leadership

    Grant/Sherman

    Both Ulysses S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman were military geniuses. Grant was quiet and reflective — at least in his public persona, which gave scant hint that he struggled with alcohol and often displayed poor judgement about those who surrounded him. Sherman was loud. He was often petty, and certainly ready in a heartbeat to engage in frequent feuds, many of them cul de sacs and counter-productive. Sherman threatened to imprison or even hang critical journalists and waged a bitter feud with the secretary of war, Edwin Stanton. Too few, then or now, have appreciated that the uncouth Sherman, in fact, displayed both a prescient genius and an uncanny understanding of human nature. Whereas Grant could brilliantly envision how his armies might beat the enemy along a battle line or capture a key fortress or open a river, Sherman’s insight encompassed whole regions and theaters, in calibrating how both economics and sociology might mesh with military strategy to crush an entire people. For all of Grant’s purported drinking and naïveté about the scoundrels around him, his outward professional bearing, his understated appearance of steadiness and discretion, enhanced his well-earned reputation for masterful control in times of crises. The volatile and loquacious nature of Sherman, in contrast, often hid and diminished appreciation of his talents — in some ways greater than Grant’s. To the stranger, Grant would have seemed the less likely to have had too much to drink and smoked too many daily cigars, Sherman the more prone to all sorts of such addictions.

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    Trump: The Unlikeliest Churchillian

    Chamberlain resigned, and Churchill accepted King George VI's appointment to the position of prime minister, but the king, and both parties of Parliament, loathed Churchill.

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    To the horror of our 2016 establishment, Donald Trump was elected. He has been as loathed as Churchill was when he took on the P.M. job as the catastrophe at Dunkirk was unfolding. Like Churchill, Trump is a bit reckless with his opinions and his speech. Churchill regularly offended people on both sides of the political spectrum, as does Trump. Churchill was innovative, imaginative. He devised the civilian boat rescue of all those soldiers at Dunkirk. It worked. Trump has, in a year, defeated ISIS, although the media are loath to report that. Trump has revitalized the economy beyond anything Obama was able to do. He has successfully rolled back the restrictive regulations Obama put in place that have strangled the economy and suppressed GDP growth to 2% for eight years.
     
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    Sherman on steroids and amphetamines.
     
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    None of the above. Grant, Sherman and Churchill were all adults.

    But given the limitation of these three I guess I would say he's most like Grant, who expelled Jews from his administrative territory of Tennessee/Kentucky/Mississippi.
     
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    Why compare Trump to such wartime leaders?
     
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    Because the lefties are waging war on US.
     
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    Nah he's on the opposing side that Sherman fought against
     
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    Trump is not for slavery nor leaving the Union.


    Try to be less bat shit crazy.
     
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    not possible TOS lost his brains in the wash years ago.
     
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    Churchill, like Trump, was a dedicated nationalist who refused to ever back down or surrender when in a fight.

    Grant and Trump share the attribute of having a grand vision of how to accomplish their long range goals for the future and effectively carry them out.

    Trump is most like Sherman, a hard charger with a take no prisoners attitude. .... :cool:
     
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