Is there any sound argument for God's existence?

[GrosMinet]

Is there any sound argument for God's existence? Things like the cosmological argument, the design argument, the argument from miracles, the argument from religious experience, the moral argument, the "five ways", and so on?

In continental philosophy, it is widely assumed that the attempt to argue for God's existence is pointless and has been ruled out since Kant. But in analytic philosophy, the debate goes on with increasingly technical arguments...

Your thoughts, please.

 

[Doubletap]

There has never been a non-contradictory definition of precisely what "god" is.

 

[GrosMinet]

There has never been a non-contradictory definition of precisely what "god" is.

Hi,

Could you provide an example of a contradiction in the concept of God?

 

[Avatar4321]

He speaks for Himself. Just be still and you can know that He is God.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Is there any sound argument for God's existence? Things like the cosmological argument, the design argument, the argument from miracles, the argument from religious experience, the moral argument, the "five ways", and so on?

In continental philosophy, it is widely assumed that the attempt to argue for God's existence is pointless and has been ruled out since Kant. But in analytic philosophy, the debate goes on with increasingly technical arguments...

Your thoughts, please.

I write extensively about this. I think it's one of those questions can have 'sound arguements' both for and against at the same time. Namely because G-d refuses to confirm its' existence. Some of my replies to this question follow:

With all the posts regarding logic and religion it's important to point out that there's a world of difference between logic and being right. Much of the time people will scream bloody murder over what's logical (like Zulu warriors killing infant males in their tribal wars reasoning very logically that they'll eventually grow to become men seeking revenge.)It's 'logical' to do many things we don't as a society. And using logic to disprove G-d overlooks free will. As per my post 'Can we be certain...'

Of course you can prove or disprove just about anything by simply altering the frame of reference. Example: human beings are the pinacle of evolution. That's true. But only within the narrow frame of reference of here on Earth. Thousands of other planets discovered since just 1991, only a matter of time before we find 'ET.' By simply expanding the frame of reference a formerly true statement beyond quesiton suddenly becomes very presumtuous indeed.

"G-d does not exist." What? No where in the rather large multiverse is there a being we'd point to and say "That's G-d." Logically, without going everywhere and categorizing every living being in the cosmos can you say with any certainty at all there's no G-d. I've always maintained that when atheists and others try to use science to disprove G-d existing they're limiting their frame of reference to what classical notions about G-d describe it as being.

We exist. I think we can all safely agree on that one. So why if we intelligent, rational sentient beings exist here, a higher evolved being can't exist somewhere else? With how we know the universe works as in quantum physics, is a superior minded being or race of beings really so far fetched? And quantum entanglement is perfectly sensible but G-d isn't? Mmkay. Famous quote comes to mind, "Anyone who's studied the sciences and isn't then deeply disturbed didn't understand a damned thing."

I think most anti-G-d arguements come from people who wanna be able to do anything they want with a clear conscience. Can't imagine why else someone would stand up to billions of other people and say they're all wrong. "65,000 repetitions makes one truth." - "Brave New World," Aldous Huxley. So what does several billion repetitions make?
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How can we be certain G-d exists? There's certainly no empirical evidence supporting it or we wouldn't even be asking the question. So if there's nothing concrete to set our backs against why do so many belive? Why are some willing to die for beliefs that can't be supported scientifically?

G-d gave us free will. Part of that freedom is to believe in Him, trust Him, love Him, and obey Him; Part of it is to reject Him for reasons including there's no evidence. Would it still be us exercising a choice if there was evidence and His existence was as self-evident as this planet?

If we KNOW G-d exists there's nothing to believe in, or put faith in, or trust in. We're simply submitted to an all-powerful being out of fear being far below Him on the food chain.

If there's room to doubt, or even logic supporting disbelief, but believe anyway, then it can be said we love G-d.

This Av 9th I learned how the Exodus Jews sent a dozen scouts into the Promised Land to recon. All but two reported back the land was unconquerable angering G-d. G-d expected the Jews to trust Him, most did not even after everything He had done for them. They KNEW G-d existed, but they didn't BELIEVE in Him.
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Some new hypotheses suggest the entirety of the universe may be G-d. That every star is like a single cell in a living animal. And the way galaxies are formed and flowing around the universe is very much like veins. So there's some interesting thoughts behind this stuff.

If G-d is real, it has to be made of something. Though atoms only make up 4% of the universe, dark matter, and dark energy is comprised of particles as well. And they make up the rest. If G-d exists as something it'll be composed of something. But what's more likely, is G-d as religions think of it doesn't exist, but something we'd point at and recognize as 'a god' does. To a bug, we're gods. To us, an alien might be. So to understand whether G-d or gods exist, we first have to define what we mean by gods. And accept the possibility it's not as religions describe it.

 

[Chuckt]

There has never been a non-contradictory definition of precisely what "god" is.

Hi,

Could you provide an example of a contradiction in the concept of God?

I guess what he could say is:

Reconcile: Monotheism, Polytheism, Pantheism and Dualism

 

[theword]

Is there any sound argument for God's existence? Things like the cosmological argument, the design argument, the argument from miracles, the argument from religious experience, the moral argument, the "five ways", and so on?

In continental philosophy, it is widely assumed that the attempt to argue for God's existence is pointless and has been ruled out since Kant. But in analytic philosophy, the debate goes on with increasingly technical arguments...

Your thoughts, please.

No argument will change an unbeliever's mind. Believers and unbelievers were chosen by our Creator to participate in a saint's gospel. Believers will believe some things that we saints preach but unbelievers won't believe and they reject us. This is all done by our Creator's design, not by something His created "beings" decide to do.

 

[Warrior102]

I anyone is in doubt that Jesus Christ was alive - and there is a God - visit any cathedral in Europe. Start with the Cologne Cathedral and the tomb of the Three Kings, and work your way down from there.

 

[theword]

I anyone is in doubt that Jesus Christ was alive - and there is a God - visit any cathedral in Europe. Start with the Cologne Cathedral and the tomb of the Three Kings, and work your way down from there.

Unbelievers love to see deities in this world. It makes them believe that a god/man really did exist. But us saints know that our Creator is invisible and that He commanded us not to believe in the deities that unbelievers believe in.

 

[Warrior102]

I anyone is in doubt that Jesus Christ was alive - and there is a God - visit any cathedral in Europe. Start with the Cologne Cathedral and the tomb of the Three Kings, and work your way down from there.

Unbelievers love to see deities in this world. It makes them believe that a god/man really did exist. But us saints know that our Creator is invisible and that He commanded us not to believe in the deities that unbelievers believe in.

Do you know what a deity is, you fucking dingbat ?

 

[theword]

I anyone is in doubt that Jesus Christ was alive - and there is a God - visit any cathedral in Europe. Start with the Cologne Cathedral and the tomb of the Three Kings, and work your way down from there.

Unbelievers love to see deities in this world. It makes them believe that a god/man really did exist. But us saints know that our Creator is invisible and that He commanded us not to believe in the deities that unbelievers believe in.

Do you know what a deity is, you fucking dingbat ?

Deities are what Christians believe in since they don't know our invisible Creator. Deities are things like the illusions of flesh called Jesus, virgin Mary, angels, etc.

What you see is not who we are so if a man uses an image he sees on the retina's of his eyes and says it's "godly", is a worshiper of deities.

 

[mskafka]

Homeostasis, is why I personally believe in a supreme being.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Is there any sound argument for GrosMinet's existence? He is a mere fragment of a computer's imagination.

 

[BreezeWood]

Is there any sound argument for God's existence?


one's first breath.

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[Quantum Windbag]

Is there any sound argument for God's existence?

Yes.

 

[HenryBHough]

Yes.

Sound.

Lots and lots of sound.

Beyond that?????

 

[GrosMinet]

Is there any sound argument for God's existence?

Yes.

Care to explain?

 

[BreezeWood]

Is there any sound argument for God's existence?

Yes.

Care to explain?

maybe a would be better than any.

.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Is there any sound argument for God's existence?

Yes.

Care to explain?

Do you care to learn?

 

[mskafka]

I was recently corrected, when I stated that quarks were the smallest particles known to exist, within man.

So within human beings and other "things", there is something smaller that a quark; But for now, we know that quarks+atoms+molecules+cells+organs+organ systems=a human being

If we're made of so many particles, how do we know that we are not also small organisms to something very large? Our bodies will not survive very long, outside of a pH of 7.35-7.45.
Although, it looks like we (most of us will be long gone) had better start acclimating to a more acidic environment.



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