is the wikileaks founder a traitor or hero?

[Epsilon Delta]

You guys don't want to put US soldiers at risk?

Then don't send them to invade some giant, dangerous foreign country half a world away to capture a criminal. Seems like doing that is infinitely more dangerous than leaked documents. Now that would do wonders for the safety of your boys in uniform.

 

[Oscar Wao]

Amen, Delta!

 

[Defiant1]

he released tons of classified info (traitor) while on the other hand he exposed war crimes and other criminal acts that had been covered up (hero)

so which is it?

In the good old days there were only war crimes if you lost.

 

[2Parties]

One can be both a traitor and a hero. It's happened in every nation throughout history...

 

[hortysir]

You guys are being ridicules. Some American who had clearance for this shit decided to give it to them, Knowing they would leak it. And you want to sit around and bitch about the messenger? For gods sake man why would he not publish them. Clearly the Person with Clearance who gave them to him, Wanted him to. Hell we may find out it was the Obama Admin that did it... LOL

Find the leak, stand him against a wall, and shoot him in the head

right because all government actions should be covered up and kept secret

There is a medium between keeping everything secret and revealing everything.

I'm reminded of the case, several years ago, of the guy that was caught selling secrets to the Chinese.
How is this any different? Just because Australia is an ally?

 

[boedicca]

It used to be that journalists were also citizen/patriots who exercised restraint during war times in order to not provide "aid and comfort" to the enemy.

 

[Oscar Wao]

One can be both a traitor and a hero. It's happened in every nation throughout history...

Now HERE'S something to ponder!!

 

[Oscar Wao]

It used to be that journalists were also citizen/patriots who exercised restraint during war times in order to not provide "aid and comfort" to the enemy.

You also fail to mention in which era this was, and what the rules/laws were...

 

[topspin]

Hero. I heard about a contractor beheaded. Seeing that nightly on the news will speed up the withdrawal big time. We are swapping spit over their. Our boys victory parade is long overdue.

 

[Dr Grump]

he released tons of classified info (traitor) while on the other hand he exposed war crimes and other criminal acts that had been covered up (hero)

so which is it?

A journalist who is good at exposing stuff...dunno if that makes him a hero or not. He's Australian, so he can't be a traitor - well, not to America at least...

 

[JakeStarkey]

War is ugly, and as an active duty soldier for more than a decade, I came to the conclusion that anything that threatens the safety of our men and women is traitorous. Somebody leaked it; that somebody needs to be found and dealt with, quietly. BHO followed the advice of his generals with the proviso that our allies needed to step up for our help to effective. They have not. As a clear-sighted patriot, I fully realize we are now in a zero-sum situation in Afghanistan, and we must bring our troops home.

 

[B. Kidd]

Find the American ASSHOLE who leaked them in the first place. Any one want to place a bet on that person being a lefty?

Likely a DOD employee subscribing to child porn, or a Dept. of Ag. employee, or member of the NAACP.

 

[Charles_Main]

Find the American ASSHOLE who leaked them in the first place. Any one want to place a bet on that person being a lefty?

Likely a DOD employee subscribing to child porn, or a Dept. of Ag. employee, or member of the NAACP.

Frankly I do not care who they are. Democrat, Republican, Right, Left. If they leaked classified material they should pay the price.

 

[Annie]

Hero. I heard about a contractor beheaded. Seeing that nightly on the news will speed up the withdrawal big time. We are swapping spit over their. Our boys victory parade is long overdue.

Yep, the more info they have, quicker and more they can kill. Thus leading to a quick and dishonorable defeat. Bravo!

 

[hortysir]

It used to be that journalists were also citizen/patriots who exercised restraint during war times in order to not provide "aid and comfort" to the enemy.

You also fail to mention in which era this was, and what the rules/laws were...

Relevance?

 

[Woyzeck]

What they've done is admirable, but whether he's a hero or traitor is up to debate. Quite frankly, canonizing him or demonizing him as either isn't really going to do anything. Instead of arguing over the morality of what they've done, why not examine the bloody documents they've released? Julian Assange has stated that the documents released contains nothing about current troop movements. There are 15,000 other documents waiting to be released until the names are redacted and those already released are at the very least are seven months old. Hell, Gibbs and even Karzai are saying most of the information isn't even new.

We were promised a more transparent government after all, looks like WikiLeaks stepped up to fulfill that. At any rate, I think the more important question here is the content of the documents themselves. Because it looks like there's a lot of new civilian causalities that weren't reported, which raises the question of just how are we conducting ourselves over there? Does no one else here find it worrying we weren't told about a lot if civilian causalities?

 

[Oscar Wao]

It used to be that journalists were also citizen/patriots who exercised restraint during war times in order to not provide "aid and comfort" to the enemy.

You also fail to mention in which era this was, and what the rules/laws were...

Relevance?

During the early 1900s, there were strict laws against dissent, because it was deemed as un-American and traitorous.

So, of course the media would be a little hush-hush...

 

[clevergirl]

If these leaks are directly responsible for one single death...the guy ought to be tried and shot!

 

[hortysir]

What they've done is admirable, but whether he's a hero or traitor is up to debate. Quite frankly, canonizing him or demonizing him as either isn't really going to do anything. Instead of arguing over the morality of what they've done, why not examine the bloody documents they've released? Julian Assange has stated that the documents released contains nothing about current troop movements. There are 15,000 other documents waiting to be released until the names are redacted and those already released are at the very least are seven months old. Hell, Gibbs and even Karzai are saying most of the information isn't even new.

We were promised a more transparent government after all, looks like WikiLeaks stepped up to fulfill that. At any rate, I think the more important question here is the content of the documents themselves. Because it looks like there's a lot of new civilian causalities that weren't reported, which raises the question of just how are we conducting ourselves over there? Does no one else here find it worrying we weren't told about a lot if civilian causalities?

I can't believe you just opened with the word "admirable" and closed with mention of "government transparency".
We got +/-300 pillow biters in DC that can't be bothered to read a 1,500 page healthcare bill, before voting on it, but it's fucking "Admirable" to give the entire planet >90k pages of Classified documents?

the documents released contains nothing about current troop movements

With the slightest amount of logical elimination, any Haji with a computer can calculate where we've been, to what result, and where we're likely to go next.

And, as to why **we weren't told about a lot if civilian causalities?**:
Because we already have enough computer-desk-generals surfing yahoo, google, wiki, and snopes trying to find any-fucking-thing they can to discredit this operation and thus demoralizing my troops.

 

[Oscar Wao]

And I thought liberals were the ones that thought with their emotions and not with their logic...