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I disagree that any whole generation has been messed up or failed, completely, if at all. Some of the most marvelous and inventive people, places, and things have come from commonly perceived mistakes/errors.
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Guy, I gave up trying to contemplate your "thoughts" a long time ago.
If you have an example of this ideal world- NAME IT.
And the sad thing is, you probably think that is the "truth". Kids need to be taught the awesomeness of America and how it made the world a better place. How millions around the world owe us a debt of thanks for their lives and freedom.
Not this simpering guilt trip you guys want to lay on them.
In other words, you want children to believe a lie, as you obviously do.
Well, if that's what you believe about America, you are more than welcome to leave. I'm sure there are socialist countries in Europe that would be happy to have you.
This is the thing... Our children need to learn to be employees. They need to learn to work, to earn wages, to appreciate their education, to make the most of their youth and to enjoy their lives... Keeping them from being employed when they obviously need all the benefits from employment is insane. Newt or another... I, personally, support child labor. I have come from appreciating unions and what they have pressed toward through the years, though they seem to not represent now what they had. I do not agree that employing children is going to put the adults out of jobs... it should, instead, force the adults to demand better of themselves than to settle for janitorial positions.
Guy, I gave up trying to contemplate your "thoughts" a long time ago.
I find him quite easy to understand, at least on this thread.
If you have an example of this ideal world- NAME IT.
He's not talking about an "ideal world." He's talking about real-life nations, whose adults are not PERFECT examples of effectiveness, responsibility and productivity, but merely THE BEST examples IN REAL LIFE.
And his point is that all of those countries who exhibit these adults are ones which have strict laws and traditions against child labor.
I would add that all of the most advanced nations in the world have such laws and traditions, all of the richest economies, all of the best places to live. Trying to reverse that about the United States is to attempt to make us more like third-world, impoverished nations. That's actually true about most of the conservative economic agenda.
Isn't it great how nutters pepper their rants with misinformation.......and it just slides by because taking them to task on every misrepresentation of the facts would kill any hope for even inane discussion?
Examples scattered in this thread:
"with the high taxes we pay......."
"unions have too much power...."
"labor is a type of education"
Please consider this question. Where in this world will you find the most effective, responsible and productive adults?
Answer that, and then examine the child labor laws and child-rearing traditions in that country. Learn from them.
That is all.
This is the thing... Our children need to learn to be employees. They need to learn to work, to earn wages, to appreciate their education, to make the most of their youth and to enjoy their lives... Keeping them from being employed when they obviously need all the benefits from employment is insane. Newt or another... I, personally, support child labor. I have come from appreciating unions and what they have pressed toward through the years, though they seem to not represent now what they had. I do not agree that employing children is going to put the adults out of jobs... it should, instead, force the adults to demand better of themselves than to settle for janitorial positions.
You're actually stating....and I can't believe this is true...that children need to learn to be employees?
Wow, if this is where the right wing of the Republican party is, Obama may end up with a Reagan landslide.
I'm pretty sure that we have the "learn to be employees" thing down pat there pal. We probably should be teaching them to be qualified to be employable at a high level since few go from school into successful entrepreneuership (sp?)
Isn't it great how nutters pepper their rants with misinformation.......and it just slides by because taking them to task on every misrepresentation of the facts would kill any hope for even inane discussion?
Examples scattered in this thread:
"with the high taxes we pay......."
"unions have too much power...."
"labor is a type of education"
Please consider this question. Where in this world will you find the most effective, responsible and productive adults?
Answer that, and then examine the child labor laws and child-rearing traditions in that country. Learn from them.
That is all.
In Asian countries the education of students is ultra important. I never had an Asian parent who wanted to blame the system and the students really work as modeled by the parents. Big difference from here.
The unions do have too much power. The success should depend upon the worker, not what propagandist associations that stand up for poor performance.
Arguments used against me by the left on this include:
- It's "forcing" students to work to pay them to do jobs around the school
- If students are to do jobs, we should force all students to do them, not pay some of them to do them
- It's depriving janitors of their livelihood.
- 10 year old will be forced to clean bathrooms
- Newt saying our child labor laws are stupid can only mean he wants to repeal all labor laws.
I have a hard time seeing in real life that if schools offered students work for chores around the school that the liberals would say or even think any of these things. I think they'd be OK with it. But you tell me, is that really the issue? Or is it a partisan attack against Gingrich?
I'd like you liberals to think about this and just be honest. Would you seriously make these arguments if your local school just did it? They offered kids money to perform chores around the school?
Newt attacks child labor laws for only allowing 14 and up to work.
He then touts great people as having started work at 9 years old. A logical mind can do the math.
The fact of the matter is there are some of us mothers who have grown up with grandparents that were not enslaved but who did work at a young age... 9, 10, 11, and older. These people in our lives were not hesitent leaders and had maintained a moderately consistent level of respect toward our country, our government during some of the most difficult times in history. My children already do extra chores and clean and also help other family members for a little of their own cash. It isn't enslavement, it is empowerment, in my opinion.
Holy shit. The inability of some of you to understand the argument being made by those who oppose Newt's suggestion is epic in nature.
Holy shit. The inability of some of you to understand the argument being made by those who oppose Newt's suggestion is epic in nature.
We understand your argument perfectly...
"Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, they are going to put our union buddies out of jobs and show kids that work is better than welfare. Oh, whatever shall become of us? Quick, let's bring up horror stories about the early industrial revolution, even though conditions like that couldn't really exist in this country with the modern technology."
Holy shit. The inability of some of you to understand the argument being made by those who oppose Newt's suggestion is epic in nature.
We understand your argument perfectly...
"Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, they are going to put our union buddies out of jobs and show kids that work is better than welfare. Oh, whatever shall become of us? Quick, let's bring up horror stories about the early industrial revolution, even though conditions like that couldn't really exist in this country with the modern technology."
Fail.