Is the "free stuff" remark fair to Sanders?

[LordBrownTrout]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

No, it doesn't. Govt didn't earn that money so they, in essence, have no accountability of how that money was earned. Naturally, the money gets wasted.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

And capitalism fixes what socialism fucks up.
Socialism is an abstract failure. Good luck proving otherwise.

Capitalism has never fucked up?? You sticking with that notion?

Capitalism works. Socialism has repeatedly been thrown on the trash heap. People never learn.

You have democratic socialism throughout the world that is working.

 

[Moonglow]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

And capitalism fixes what socialism fucks up.
Socialism is an abstract failure. Good luck proving otherwise.

Capitalism has never fucked up?? You sticking with that notion?

Gawd no. I will be the first to say unregulated capitalism is a shit show.

Humans just can't be trusted to play fair...

 

[Dot Com]

Many of us have learned on this forum that to expect right wingers to be "fair and balanced" (love that Fox slogan) is a fool's errand......Nonetheless, is it really fair to simply state that Sanders is offering "free stuff" without any plan as to how to finance the largess .....or is it just partisan bullshit?

Right wingers may strongly disagree with Sanders about a Medicare for all plan regarding health care insurance, but to be fair, he has stated that indeed a tax would be imposed on individuals and families, but the return on the savings (which would basically screw over PRIVATE health insurers) would be substantial. We may think of ourselves as "exceptional", but such HC deliveries have existed in other industrialized countries for decades and to say that we could not do the same is an admission that we may be far from exceptional.

Second, the "free stuff" regarding college tuition has also been addressed by Sanders....Primarily his source of income would be generated from taxing the gambling speculations of Wall Streeters....but more important is Sanders' reasoning that a college degree in the 21st century is the equivalent of a HS diploma and that we have long made high school attendance both mandatory and free.

You may not agree with Sanders....but at least stick to your proper reasons for the disagreement.

its paid-for despite what the Hannity parrots say

 

[NYcarbineer]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

No, it doesn't. Govt didn't earn that money so they, in essence, have no accountability of how that money was earned. Naturally, the money gets wasted.

Really? When did elections end?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

And capitalism fixes what socialism fucks up.
Socialism is an abstract failure. Good luck proving otherwise.

Capitalism has never fucked up?? You sticking with that notion?

Capitalism works. Socialism has repeatedly been thrown on the trash heap. People never learn.

I can't understand why God uses it in Heaven...

Socialism looks to the state as its deity. I doubt God would ever accept that.

 

[g5000]

Many of us have learned on this forum that to expect right wingers to be "fair and balanced" (love that Fox slogan) is a fool's errand......Nonetheless, is it really fair to simply state that Sanders is offering "free stuff" without any plan as to how to finance the largess .....or is it just partisan bullshit?

If you aren't paying for it, it is free. For you. That is what is meant by "free stuff".

Sanders wants to give a lot of stuff to some people for free, and make "that guy over there" pay for it.

It's the American motto: Gimme gimme gimme, and make that guy over there pay for it.

And when everything goes to shit, we blame that guy over there!


So, yes. The "free stuff" remarks about Sanders are not only fair, they are accurate.

 

[TNHarley]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

And capitalism fixes what socialism fucks up.
Socialism is an abstract failure. Good luck proving otherwise.

Capitalism has never fucked up?? You sticking with that notion?

Gawd no. I will be the first to say unregulated capitalism is a shit show.

Humans just can't be trusted to play fair...

I agree. But you also cant regulate them to death. Humans rebel. Also, it obviously doesn't work.. Look at America

 

[NightFox]

Neither socialism nor capitalism are all or nothing systems.

* Hint for delusion left wing puppets: nobody said they were .....so take your straw man and feed it to the voices in your head.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

No, it doesn't. Govt didn't earn that money so they, in essence, have no accountability of how that money was earned. Naturally, the money gets wasted.

Really? When did elections end?

Elections? You do understand that we have wasted trillions on never ending welfare, social engineering and endless wars?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

No, it doesn't. Govt didn't earn that money so they, in essence, have no accountability of how that money was earned. Naturally, the money gets wasted.

Here is total waste on money

Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,669,362,982,980

 

[bendog]

Bernie on education

Canned Heat - Going Up the Country live Woodstock 1969

 

[Moonglow]

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

And capitalism fixes what socialism fucks up.
Socialism is an abstract failure. Good luck proving otherwise.

Capitalism has never fucked up?? You sticking with that notion?

Capitalism works. Socialism has repeatedly been thrown on the trash heap. People never learn.

I can't understand why God uses it in Heaven...

Socialism looks to the state as its deity. I doubt God would ever accept that.

You already confirmed it in the first sentence....God wants a dictatorship cult of personality..

 

[NYcarbineer]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

And capitalism fixes what socialism fucks up.
Socialism is an abstract failure. Good luck proving otherwise.

Capitalism has never fucked up?? You sticking with that notion?

Capitalism works. Socialism has repeatedly been thrown on the trash heap. People never learn.

People learn that capitalism won't look out for them if it doesn't have to.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

No, it doesn't. Govt didn't earn that money so they, in essence, have no accountability of how that money was earned. Naturally, the money gets wasted.

Here is total waste on money

Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,669,362,982,980

I agree. We can also add 15 trillion wasted on welfare.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

And capitalism fixes what socialism fucks up.
Socialism is an abstract failure. Good luck proving otherwise.

What's an abstract failure? Define it and include examples.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

Oh, that's rich.

 

[Mac1958]

Many of us have learned on this forum that to expect right wingers to be "fair and balanced" (love that Fox slogan) is a fool's errand......Nonetheless, is it really fair to simply state that Sanders is offering "free stuff" without any plan as to how to finance the largess .....or is it just partisan bullshit?

Right wingers may strongly disagree with Sanders about a Medicare for all plan regarding health care insurance, but to be fair, he has stated that indeed a tax would be imposed on individuals and families, but the return on the savings (which would basically screw over PRIVATE health insurers) would be substantial. We may think of ourselves as "exceptional", but such HC deliveries have existed in other industrialized countries for decades and to say that we could not do the same is an admission that we may be far from exceptional.

Second, the "free stuff" regarding college tuition has also been addressed by Sanders....Primarily his source of income would be generated from taxing the gambling speculations of Wall Streeters....but more important is Sanders' reasoning that a college degree in the 21st century is the equivalent of a HS diploma and that we have long made high school attendance both mandatory and free.

You may not agree with Sanders....but at least stick to your proper reasons for the disagreement.

As is typical in partisan politics, there is some truth to it, and the rest is bullshit. If a college student doesn't have to pay for college, then yeah, that's "free". And someone else is paying for it, as you point out. There it is.

The Democrats - and certainly Sanders - are pretty well-practiced at identifying both victimized groups and those who (they say) are victimizing them. Then they take from the latter to give to the former, as with your example of the "gambling speculations of Wall Streeters". I don't think this is exactly a controversial statement.

At the same time, the Republicans will grossly over-generalize and over-simplify this by attacking government spending as somehow violating their "freedom" and "liberty", even though there are clearly net benefits. They simply appear to be programmed to knee-jerk immediately against every penny of spending and taxation.

So, as usual, it boils down to this: Partisan politics from both sides is replete with bullshit, and it really would be helpful if these people found another hobby.
.

 

[NightFox]

Really? When did elections end?

As soon as you partisan lemmings started running the joint; we don't have elections anymore we have bread and circuses smothered in the illusion of choice.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

And capitalism fixes what socialism fucks up.
Socialism is an abstract failure. Good luck proving otherwise.

Capitalism has never fucked up?? You sticking with that notion?

Capitalism works. Socialism has repeatedly been thrown on the trash heap. People never learn.

I can't understand why God uses it in Heaven...

Socialism looks to the state as its deity. I doubt God would ever accept that.

You already confirmed it in the first sentence....God wants a dictatorship cult of personality..

If he wanted dictatorship he wouldnt have given us free will.