Is the "free stuff" remark fair to Sanders?

[Searcher44]

Many of us have learned on this forum that to expect right wingers to be "fair and balanced" (love that Fox slogan) is a fool's errand......Nonetheless, is it really fair to simply state that Sanders is offering "free stuff" without any plan as to how to finance the largess .....or is it just partisan bullshit?

Right wingers may strongly disagree with Sanders about a Medicare for all plan regarding health care insurance, but to be fair, he has stated that indeed a tax would be imposed on individuals and families, but the return on the savings (which would basically screw over PRIVATE health insurers) would be substantial. We may think of ourselves as "exceptional", but such HC deliveries have existed in other industrialized countries for decades and to say that we could not do the same is an admission that we may be far from exceptional.

Second, the "free stuff" regarding college tuition has also been addressed by Sanders....Primarily his source of income would be generated from taxing the gambling speculations of Wall Streeters....but more important is Sanders' reasoning that a college degree in the 21st century is the equivalent of a HS diploma and that we have long made high school attendance both mandatory and free.

You may not agree with Sanders....but at least stick to your proper reasons for the disagreement.

In Canada we have more of what your cons would consider "free stuff" I think. We call our policies generating this free stuff "socially responsible". Our debt to GDP ratio is around +/- 55%, yours is +/- 95%. As long as Americans insist on maintaining armed forces strong enough to control the rest of the World, continue policies like allowing your major corporations to stash trillions of dollars in offshore tax havens, let economic benefits gained by your country's increased productivity flow to the very top, etc. then of course to pay for a fairer society the U.S. debt would have to continue to rise. Those are choices that the Oligarch's propaganda machine seems to have convinced the majority of you to make in their favor.

We shudda let Stalin march right across the Bearing Sea and take you guy out! (-:

Haven't you heard, according to conservative history expert Pollychicanery we liberal leaners have been Stalinist flunkies since the 30's.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

Zimbabwe is another shining socialist success of fixing the "wrongs" of capitalism. You ought to spend some time there, Comrade.

Who fixed child labor, slavery, dangerous working conditions, pollution,etc.?

Did the capitalists who were perpetrating those atrocities fix themselves?

Can I get an answer? Comon capitalist groundhogs! Come out and see your shadow!

 

[elektra]

You don't know shit about the situation in Venezuela. When Chavez got elected he threw out the private companies that were running the nation's oil facilities and replaced them with political cronies who were far less qualified. The result was less oil production. Additionally, he ratcheted up social welfare spending on a massive scale. That combined with less oil production, even when oil prices were at record highs just a couple of years ago, spun the nation's economy into a downward spiral.

Is there a grown up in your basement who could explain to you what I wrote in response to your stupidity? Here. let me re-state it....

"Venezuela's main problems were both corruption AND a one-economic source....crude oil."

...and don't forget your equally stupid assertion that the U.S. economy is anything like Venezuela's....

The reason CORRUPTION is a problem, is simple, Socialist are corrupt.

Socialist simply do not have the brains to run a country or to make a profit for themselves, all they have is corruption.

Crude Oil is a problem? Now that is one idiotic thing to state.

 

[elektra]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

Yeah, look what it did for Venezuela

Venezuela under 'economic emergency' as court gives Maduro decree powers

Stupid response....Venezuela's main problems were both corruption AND a one-economic source....crude oil. When faced by a world glut of such fossil fuel, it doesn't take an economic genius to figure why Venezuela was bound to fail.

To even remotely compare us to Venezuela for the sake of some other idiots on this forum to think that you hit upon a "truism", is moronic.....but, alas, expected.

Your post is idiotic, Venuzula has isolated itself by being Marxist, stealing the investments and making them state owned.

And of course you ignorance ignores steel, aluminum, and cement exports.

It is like you are the joke in a sunday newspaper that is mocking socialism, your ignorance is most likely hurting Sanders.

 

[elektra]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

Zimbabwe is another shining socialist success of fixing the "wrongs" of capitalism. You ought to spend some time there, Comrade.

Who fixed child labor, slavery, dangerous working conditions, pollution,etc.?

Did the capitalists who were perpetrating those atrocities fix themselves?

Can I get an answer? Comon capitalist groundhogs! Come out and see your shadow!

You live off capitalism, everything you do is because of capitalism. I know you will argue, but that simply proves socialists are too dumb to understand where money comes from

 

[Wildman]

..."fair and balanced"...

we are more "fair and balanced" than any libercrat fool, and we do not always expect or demand "free stuff"

 

[elektra]

Many of us have learned on this forum that to expect right wingers to be "fair and balanced" (love that Fox slogan) is a fool's errand......Nonetheless, is it really fair to simply state that Sanders is offering "free stuff" without any plan as to how to finance the largess .....or is it just partisan bullshit?

Right wingers may strongly disagree with Sanders about a Medicare for all plan regarding health care insurance, but to be fair, he has stated that indeed a tax would be imposed on individuals and families, but the return on the savings (which would basically screw over PRIVATE health insurers) would be substantial. We may think of ourselves as "exceptional", but such HC deliveries have existed in other industrialized countries for decades and to say that we could not do the same is an admission that we may be far from exceptional.

Second, the "free stuff" regarding college tuition has also been addressed by Sanders....Primarily his source of income would be generated from taxing the gambling speculations of Wall Streeters....but more important is Sanders' reasoning that a college degree in the 21st century is the equivalent of a HS diploma and that we have long made high school attendance both mandatory and free.

You may not agree with Sanders....but at least stick to your proper reasons for the disagreement.

In Canada we have more of what your cons would consider "free stuff" I think. We call our policies generating this free stuff "socially responsible". Our debt to GDP ratio is around +/- 55%, yours is +/- 95%. As long as Americans insist on maintaining armed forces strong enough to control the rest of the World, continue policies like allowing your major corporations to stash trillions of dollars in offshore tax havens, let economic benefits gained by your country's increased productivity flow to the very top, etc. then of course to pay for a fairer society the U.S. debt would have to continue to rise. Those are choices that the Oligarch's propaganda machine seems to have convinced the majority of you to make in their favor.

Canada sucks. You are losing your manufacturing to China, your landscape is being destroyed by towering Wind Turbines, and you have only survived by selling products to the USA.

Have you idiots even solved your war with the French speaking part of Canada?

Oh, I almost forgot, so that you respond I must say, "eh".

 

[NYcarbineer]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

Zimbabwe is another shining socialist success of fixing the "wrongs" of capitalism. You ought to spend some time there, Comrade.

Who fixed child labor, slavery, dangerous working conditions, pollution,etc.?

Did the capitalists who were perpetrating those atrocities fix themselves?

Can I get an answer? Comon capitalist groundhogs! Come out and see your shadow!

You live off capitalism, everything you do is because of capitalism. I know you will argue, but that simply proves socialists are too dumb to understand where money comes from

A non sequitur. Are you arguing that we should bring back child labor? slavery? Unregulated pollution?

Who fixed those things, and many others?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

Zimbabwe is another shining socialist success of fixing the "wrongs" of capitalism. You ought to spend some time there, Comrade.

Who fixed child labor, slavery, dangerous working conditions, pollution,etc.?

Did the capitalists who were perpetrating those atrocities fix themselves?

Can I get an answer? Comon capitalist groundhogs! Come out and see your shadow!

Not a soul here amongst the RWnuts can concede the necessity to regulate business that business will never do on its own.

 

[peach174]

Is it fair? What else is there to socialism besides promising "free stuff"?

Socialism fixes what capitalism fucks up.

Zimbabwe is another shining socialist success of fixing the "wrongs" of capitalism. You ought to spend some time there, Comrade.

Who fixed child labor, slavery, dangerous working conditions, pollution,etc.?

Did the capitalists who were perpetrating those atrocities fix themselves?

Can I get an answer? Comon capitalist groundhogs! Come out and see your shadow!

Not a soul here amongst the RWnuts can concede the necessity to regulate business that business will never do on its own.

You are the one who keeps ignoring the right that says common sense business regulations, not overburden regulation.
You are the one who keeps saying RW's want no regulation, sorry but you are wrong.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Many of us have learned on this forum that to expect right wingers to be "fair and balanced" (love that Fox slogan) is a fool's errand......Nonetheless, is it really fair to simply state that Sanders is offering "free stuff" without any plan as to how to finance the largess .....or is it just partisan bullshit?

Right wingers may strongly disagree with Sanders about a Medicare for all plan regarding health care insurance, but to be fair, he has stated that indeed a tax would be imposed on individuals and families, but the return on the savings (which would basically screw over PRIVATE health insurers) would be substantial. We may think of ourselves as "exceptional", but such HC deliveries have existed in other industrialized countries for decades and to say that we could not do the same is an admission that we may be far from exceptional.

Second, the "free stuff" regarding college tuition has also been addressed by Sanders....Primarily his source of income would be generated from taxing the gambling speculations of Wall Streeters....but more important is Sanders' reasoning that a college degree in the 21st century is the equivalent of a HS diploma and that we have long made high school attendance both mandatory and free.

You may not agree with Sanders....but at least stick to your proper reasons for the disagreement.

We mock the fact that he gets you rubes to think this stuff is "free" when we will all end up paying for it, and more than you think because every time some progressive comes up with an idea, government has to create giant bureaucracies to run it, and the overhead on that becomes a significant cost.

In the end we all end up paying for it, even if you just tax "evil" oil companies, wall street firms, and banks, because those people will ALWAYS make their money, and they will find ways to pass any extra costs right down to our level.

Name one person on the left who thinks that we are not all going to be paying for it.

This is where you guys always end up. In fantasy land.

Every Sanders supporter......even the young, idealistic ones....know that the programs that he is proposing are to be paid for with tax dollars.....and that includes their own tax dollars. Especially when the job that they get as a result of being able to attend college earns more money......thus increasing their own tax burden.

Same with health care. Medicare is paid for by everyone. Everyone knows this.

Next bullshit meme, please.

 

[Wildman]

...but that simply proves socialists are too dumb to understand where money comes from...

also, food, gasoline, vehicles, in fact, all consumables and durable products. speaking of durable products, my wife and i in 37 years had to replace two refrigerators, my Mom & Dad had functioning refer for 43 years.

 

[peach174]

Many of us have learned on this forum that to expect right wingers to be "fair and balanced" (love that Fox slogan) is a fool's errand......Nonetheless, is it really fair to simply state that Sanders is offering "free stuff" without any plan as to how to finance the largess .....or is it just partisan bullshit?

Right wingers may strongly disagree with Sanders about a Medicare for all plan regarding health care insurance, but to be fair, he has stated that indeed a tax would be imposed on individuals and families, but the return on the savings (which would basically screw over PRIVATE health insurers) would be substantial. We may think of ourselves as "exceptional", but such HC deliveries have existed in other industrialized countries for decades and to say that we could not do the same is an admission that we may be far from exceptional.

Second, the "free stuff" regarding college tuition has also been addressed by Sanders....Primarily his source of income would be generated from taxing the gambling speculations of Wall Streeters....but more important is Sanders' reasoning that a college degree in the 21st century is the equivalent of a HS diploma and that we have long made high school attendance both mandatory and free.

You may not agree with Sanders....but at least stick to your proper reasons for the disagreement.

We mock the fact that he gets you rubes to think this stuff is "free" when we will all end up paying for it, and more than you think because every time some progressive comes up with an idea, government has to create giant bureaucracies to run it, and the overhead on that becomes a significant cost.

In the end we all end up paying for it, even if you just tax "evil" oil companies, wall street firms, and banks, because those people will ALWAYS make their money, and they will find ways to pass any extra costs right down to our level.

Name one person on the left who thinks that we are not all going to be paying for it.

This is where you guys always end up. In fantasy land.

Every Sanders supporter......even the young, idealistic ones....know that the programs that he is proposing are to be paid for with tax dollars.....and that includes their own tax dollars. Especially when the job that they get as a result of being able to attend college earns more money......thus increasing their own tax burden.

Same with health care. Medicare is paid for by everyone. Everyone knows this.

Next bullshit meme, please.

The young has no idea what he is really proposing.
None of them have really worked and paid taxes.

 

[elektra]

A non sequitur. Are you arguing that we should bring back child labor? slavery? Unregulated pollution?

Who fixed those things, and many others?

Slavery, a conservative ended that.

Unregulated Pollution was Republican Nixon.

Child labor, again conservatives.

The Democrat Socialist have forced manufacturing to China where they use Child Labor

Socialism demands child labor, look at China.

 

[nat4900]

The young has no idea what he is really proposing.
None of them have really worked and paid taxes.

Yes indeed, and that is why conservative war mongers like to use those "young" for cannon fodder, right?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Many of us have learned on this forum that to expect right wingers to be "fair and balanced" (love that Fox slogan) is a fool's errand......Nonetheless, is it really fair to simply state that Sanders is offering "free stuff" without any plan as to how to finance the largess .....or is it just partisan bullshit?

Right wingers may strongly disagree with Sanders about a Medicare for all plan regarding health care insurance, but to be fair, he has stated that indeed a tax would be imposed on individuals and families, but the return on the savings (which would basically screw over PRIVATE health insurers) would be substantial. We may think of ourselves as "exceptional", but such HC deliveries have existed in other industrialized countries for decades and to say that we could not do the same is an admission that we may be far from exceptional.

Second, the "free stuff" regarding college tuition has also been addressed by Sanders....Primarily his source of income would be generated from taxing the gambling speculations of Wall Streeters....but more important is Sanders' reasoning that a college degree in the 21st century is the equivalent of a HS diploma and that we have long made high school attendance both mandatory and free.

You may not agree with Sanders....but at least stick to your proper reasons for the disagreement.

We mock the fact that he gets you rubes to think this stuff is "free" when we will all end up paying for it, and more than you think because every time some progressive comes up with an idea, government has to create giant bureaucracies to run it, and the overhead on that becomes a significant cost.

In the end we all end up paying for it, even if you just tax "evil" oil companies, wall street firms, and banks, because those people will ALWAYS make their money, and they will find ways to pass any extra costs right down to our level.

Name one person on the left who thinks that we are not all going to be paying for it.

This is where you guys always end up. In fantasy land.

Every Sanders supporter......even the young, idealistic ones....know that the programs that he is proposing are to be paid for with tax dollars.....and that includes their own tax dollars. Especially when the job that they get as a result of being able to attend college earns more money......thus increasing their own tax burden.

Same with health care. Medicare is paid for by everyone. Everyone knows this.

Next bullshit meme, please.

The young has no idea what he is really proposing.
None of them have really worked and paid taxes.

You don't know many young people, do you?

 

[peach174]

Many of us have learned on this forum that to expect right wingers to be "fair and balanced" (love that Fox slogan) is a fool's errand......Nonetheless, is it really fair to simply state that Sanders is offering "free stuff" without any plan as to how to finance the largess .....or is it just partisan bullshit?

Right wingers may strongly disagree with Sanders about a Medicare for all plan regarding health care insurance, but to be fair, he has stated that indeed a tax would be imposed on individuals and families, but the return on the savings (which would basically screw over PRIVATE health insurers) would be substantial. We may think of ourselves as "exceptional", but such HC deliveries have existed in other industrialized countries for decades and to say that we could not do the same is an admission that we may be far from exceptional.

Second, the "free stuff" regarding college tuition has also been addressed by Sanders....Primarily his source of income would be generated from taxing the gambling speculations of Wall Streeters....but more important is Sanders' reasoning that a college degree in the 21st century is the equivalent of a HS diploma and that we have long made high school attendance both mandatory and free.

You may not agree with Sanders....but at least stick to your proper reasons for the disagreement.

We mock the fact that he gets you rubes to think this stuff is "free" when we will all end up paying for it, and more than you think because every time some progressive comes up with an idea, government has to create giant bureaucracies to run it, and the overhead on that becomes a significant cost.

In the end we all end up paying for it, even if you just tax "evil" oil companies, wall street firms, and banks, because those people will ALWAYS make their money, and they will find ways to pass any extra costs right down to our level.

Name one person on the left who thinks that we are not all going to be paying for it.

This is where you guys always end up. In fantasy land.

Every Sanders supporter......even the young, idealistic ones....know that the programs that he is proposing are to be paid for with tax dollars.....and that includes their own tax dollars. Especially when the job that they get as a result of being able to attend college earns more money......thus increasing their own tax burden.

Same with health care. Medicare is paid for by everyone. Everyone knows this.

Next bullshit meme, please.

The young has no idea what he is really proposing.
None of them have really worked and paid taxes.

You don't know many young people, do you?

Yes I do.
Maybe you should talk to them yourself, because they really do not understand.

 

[peach174]

The young has no idea what he is really proposing.
None of them have really worked and paid taxes.

Yes indeed, and that is why conservative war mongers like to use those "young" for cannon fodder, right?

Another lefty spin that is not true.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Many of us have learned on this forum that to expect right wingers to be "fair and balanced" (love that Fox slogan) is a fool's errand......Nonetheless, is it really fair to simply state that Sanders is offering "free stuff" without any plan as to how to finance the largess .....or is it just partisan bullshit?

Right wingers may strongly disagree with Sanders about a Medicare for all plan regarding health care insurance, but to be fair, he has stated that indeed a tax would be imposed on individuals and families, but the return on the savings (which would basically screw over PRIVATE health insurers) would be substantial. We may think of ourselves as "exceptional", but such HC deliveries have existed in other industrialized countries for decades and to say that we could not do the same is an admission that we may be far from exceptional.

Second, the "free stuff" regarding college tuition has also been addressed by Sanders....Primarily his source of income would be generated from taxing the gambling speculations of Wall Streeters....but more important is Sanders' reasoning that a college degree in the 21st century is the equivalent of a HS diploma and that we have long made high school attendance both mandatory and free.

You may not agree with Sanders....but at least stick to your proper reasons for the disagreement.

We mock the fact that he gets you rubes to think this stuff is "free" when we will all end up paying for it, and more than you think because every time some progressive comes up with an idea, government has to create giant bureaucracies to run it, and the overhead on that becomes a significant cost.

In the end we all end up paying for it, even if you just tax "evil" oil companies, wall street firms, and banks, because those people will ALWAYS make their money, and they will find ways to pass any extra costs right down to our level.

Name one person on the left who thinks that we are not all going to be paying for it.

This is where you guys always end up. In fantasy land.

Every Sanders supporter......even the young, idealistic ones....know that the programs that he is proposing are to be paid for with tax dollars.....and that includes their own tax dollars. Especially when the job that they get as a result of being able to attend college earns more money......thus increasing their own tax burden.

Same with health care. Medicare is paid for by everyone. Everyone knows this.

Next bullshit meme, please.

The young has no idea what he is really proposing.
None of them have really worked and paid taxes.

You don't know many young people, do you?

Yes I do.
Maybe you should talk to them yourself, because they really do not understand.

Weeeeeeee! I'm on a retarded Merry-go-round with a nutbag.

Are YOU going to name a Sanders supporter who doesn't know that Sanders' proposed programs are to be paid for with tax dollars? Their tax dollars?

No.....you won't. You'd prefer to make baseless accusations. It's so simple.

 

[nat4900]

The young has no idea what he is really proposing.
None of them have really worked and paid taxes.

Yes indeed, and that is why conservative war mongers like to use those "young" for cannon fodder, right?

Another lefty spin that is not true.

Of the 4,000 plus casualties of the Iraq war, 3200 or so were below the average age of 29.