Is socialism an inevitable future?

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    I ask this question due to the technological and industrial advancements of the human race.

    Wold employment is based on things lie man hours which is a measurement of the needed work and time that is needed to accomplish the job by a worker. A century or so ago manual labor was the only way to complete task, and workers or slaves were required to do things. We are heading down a road of technology where less and less human workers are required to reach goals due to machines. in some cases machines are much more efficient and able to handle the tass of many workers.

    There are still areas and reasons to use humans in manufacturing positions. Despite the advances of machines the human being is still able to perform multiple very different functions that make them versatile enough to be superior to machines in some cases. This is coming to an end in many areas as machines are becoming more and more versatile, and much less expensive.

    As we advance our technology in machine versatility including robots and improved computing abilities due to better learning computers and networking we need less and less man hours to accomplish our tasks. This advancement is accelerating, and each year we have more and more people in the world and less work to do.

    In my opinion we have already come to a point where the forty hour workweek is already obsolete. humans can accomplish much more than they used to in 40 hours due to our advancements, and we just simply need less manufacturing and farming labor to keep up with the needs of the human race even in this day where we have more things than ever. One of the reasons i see that the US is presently in a unemployment problem is that we simply do not need the labor here in the country to keep up with our needs.

    of course, it is cheaper to hire a person from another country at a lower wage than it is to develop some of our technology further.

    Even areas like customer service and call center work have seen a decrease in the need for workers. As we look in areas of things like customer service we are using automated machines to answer simple commonly asked questions that eliminate the need for phone operators. The movie rental business is all but wiped out by media streaming, and things like redbox.

    The way I see it is as our technology advances we have to admit to needing less human work. This leads me to realize that a more socialist view becomes far more applicable to our society than capitalistic working for a paycheck. Right now capitalism and the old ideas of a full workweek are keeping unemployment up because the few people who get jobs can easily accomplish what is needed leaving the rest of the people out in the cold and fighting for work that just simply no longer exists. Efficiency has made our need for wor hours less, and we need to examine our future as a technological species and recognize that although hard work and doing a good job were great values that made people strong, that hard work simply is not as necessary as it was.

    Socialism and communism failed in the past because they were not technically viable as they are becoming today. i think they are the way of the future if we are to continue the advancements in technology and efficiency we have always strived for.
     
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    Socialism, Communism and European Socialism have failed. Why would you want to implement them?
    They would only fail again.
     
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    There is one simple flaw with socialism and all similar ideals.
    They're all a load of bollocks.
    Someone always ends up on top.
     
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    Indeed. I reckon if you guys had re-instated your policy of isolationism immediately after WWII you wouldn't be in the mess you are now. The large majority of liberal ideology imported from Europe into America is about as sound as a chocolate teapot. It normally collapses under the weight of reality.
     
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    Socialism is an inevitable failure. It comes with a 100% Guaranteed Fail rate. It's so bad that almost without exception, the countries who adopt it have to build walls topped with barbed wire and armed guards to keep creative and talented people from fleeing.
     
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    India, Korea, and Sri Lanka are all self-declared socialist states (though they do not follow Marxist communism).

    India and Korea are currently kicking our asses economically in many regards.
     
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    North Korea is Socialist, right. The Socialism embraced by the "American" Left, seems to be the hard-core, centrally planned one where Free Enterprise has no role and is reviled as evil. That's the system that never ends well
     
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    Yet the countries that you've listed haven't imposed the moral and legal obligations the west has on its employers. Try seeking workplace compensation from an employer in any of the countries you've listed after a losing a limb in a workplace accident. Not to mention that slavery is an option that's available to employers in those countries, too. Bearing that in mind, it's no surprise that India's economy is overtaking America's.
     
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    Not to mention that both countries have millions of people living in abject poverty. With the government and a few favored bigwigs holding and controlling most of the wealth and all of the power, North Korea is one of the world's poorest and least developed countries in sharp contrast to its more democratic and free market neighbor South Korea, which has one of the largest economies in Asia. About 40% of India's population lives in abject poverty and would consider America's poorest to be relatively rich.

    Now let's evaluate who is kicking whose butt again?
     
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    No, socialism in any form is terrible.

    I like capitalism, very much.

    Sure, only 1% of the people in a capitalist society will ever have any money, any power, and they will use their existing money and power to fix all the rules so they always have the money and power and others wont.

    But socialism is terrible, and I will agree with anything you guys say, I dont want what happened to those Sikh's to happen to me or my wife or my employees.
     

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