Is Ron Paul Irrelevant Yet?

[Dr.Drock]

Libertarians couldn't run a town now I agree, the townspeople want gov't handouts and have been trained by the 2 parties and media that giving them out is a good thing, reps and dems will provide these and libertarians will not.

It is much bigger than 'reps and dems' training. It is human nature having its way.

Always has been, always will be.

You won't be changing human nature, which means Liberatrianism will NEVER work as a set of real-world governing principles.

Seems you have already admitted that. Now you just need to join us practical conservatives in uniting against the Left before you fuck it up - just like I helped fuck it up by voting Perot before you were even born.

I don't think it's human nature to want gov't handouts, i think that's been trained. Gov't handouts are only a recent invention in this country. People have to be untrained, how can we do that? I honestly don't know. I think we're beyond repair. Plus reps and dems, post-Perot, have done their best job to team up and make sure no 3rd party member ever gets a chance to be president.

Practical conservatives don't vote for McCain and Romney, big gov't liberals and/or neocons do.

 

[Paulie]

Libertarians couldn't run a town now I agree, the townspeople want gov't handouts and have been trained by the 2 parties and media that giving them out is a good thing, reps and dems will provide these and libertarians will not.

It is much bigger than 'reps and dems' training. It is human nature having its way.

Always has been, always will be.

You won't be changing human nature, which means Liberatrianism will NEVER work as a set of real-world governing principles.

Seems you have already admitted that. Now you just need to join us practical conservatives in uniting against the Left before you fuck it up - just like I helped fuck it up by voting Perot before you were even born.

For crying out loud, we're not expecting the entire system to change over to barely any laws and regulations.

We'd be ECSTATIC if we could even get 20% of what we're asking for, because for at least the last 100 years there's been zero libertarianism of any sort in this government.

Both parties have sold us out to the highest corporate bidders, and even though both parties can agree that there are problems with the way big business has stolen our government away from us, the libertarians are the only ones who will not only fight constitutionally for big business but also have no problems taking them to task for what they've done to hurt the country.

The best part about libertarians is that we'll call a spade a spade, regardless if that spade masquerades as one of us.

 

[paulitician]

He's a bigger idiot than Ron.

Translation for Paul supporters..."He's even more awesome than Ron"

wow...

paulians crack me up.


hey, kevin... do you really want to throw your lot in with idiots like these guys??? seriously.

*shakes head*

So says the bitter ole Ex-Mod failure. Couldn't even handle being a Message Board Mod. You cranky Ex-Mod failures crack me up.

 

[Oddball]

Libertarians couldn't run a town now I agree, the townspeople want gov't handouts and have been trained by the 2 parties and media that giving them out is a good thing, reps and dems will provide these and libertarians will not.

It is much bigger than 'reps and dems' training. It is human nature having its way.

Always has been, always will be.

You won't be changing human nature, which means Liberatrianism will NEVER work as a set of real-world governing principles.

Seems you have already admitted that. Now you just need to join us practical conservatives in uniting against the Left before you fuck it up - just like I helped fuck it up by voting Perot before you were even born.

Funny how these nefarious aspects of human nature don't apply to these "practical" republicans.

 

[Katiegrrl0]

You don't seem to try very hard.

How does this have anything to do with getting along. Ron Paul is an idiot. His vote total says he is a loser. How is not getting along? IT is a fact and I suppose if you don't like the numbers in the actual votes you may think it's nasty pointing out how futile and stupid it was for Paul even to attempt a run. His spending one dollar on this effort shows he wastes money.

How is insulting people not getting along? I think it speaks for itself. Someone being an "idiot" is never a fact. It's an opinion. As is saying his run was futile and stupid.

He is an idiot for wasting money and time as the vote total shows the run is stupid and futile. So I am correct.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Libertarians couldn't run a town now I agree, the townspeople want gov't handouts and have been trained by the 2 parties and media that giving them out is a good thing, reps and dems will provide these and libertarians will not.

It is much bigger than 'reps and dems' training. It is human nature having its way.

Always has been, always will be.

You won't be changing human nature, which means Liberatrianism will NEVER work as a set of real-world governing principles.

Seems you have already admitted that. Now you just need to join us practical conservatives in uniting against the Left before you fuck it up - just like I helped fuck it up by voting Perot before you were even born.

Funny how these nefarious aspects of human nature don't apply to these "practical" republicans.

As a republican, he can discount and make light of republicans supporting welfare, social security and medicare. Ignoring how they destroy the quality of our gov't and economy.

As a small gov't conservative and little l libertarian, I cannot, and am thankful I cannot.

 

[ThinkCritically]

paulians are so funny...

ron paul's never passed a bill.

that makes him a failure at his job.

This is how people judge our legislatures success?...by there ability to pass more laws? I didn't' realize it was a race to see how many more laws we could create?

 

[Paulie]

How does this have anything to do with getting along. Ron Paul is an idiot. His vote total says he is a loser. How is not getting along? IT is a fact and I suppose if you don't like the numbers in the actual votes you may think it's nasty pointing out how futile and stupid it was for Paul even to attempt a run. His spending one dollar on this effort shows he wastes money.

How is insulting people not getting along? I think it speaks for itself. Someone being an "idiot" is never a fact. It's an opinion. As is saying his run was futile and stupid.

He is an idiot for wasting money and time as the vote total shows the run is stupid and futile. So I am correct.

Wasting money?

Every penny I ever sent to that guy was in the name of advancing the cause of liberty and getting this over reaching federal bureaucracy the fuck out of our lives.

Since most of you didn't even know who this man was only 5 years ago, I don't think I can say there's been money better spent in my entire life.

 

[ThinkCritically]

How is insulting people not getting along? I think it speaks for itself. Someone being an "idiot" is never a fact. It's an opinion. As is saying his run was futile and stupid.

He is an idiot for wasting money and time as the vote total shows the run is stupid and futile. So I am correct.

Wasting money?

Every penny I ever sent to that guy was in the name of advancing the cause of liberty and getting this over reaching federal bureaucracy the fuck out of our lives.

Since most of you didn't even know who this man was only 5 years ago, I don't think I can say there's been money better spent in my entire life.

Yup donating money to his campaign was some of the best money i've ever spent...

I bet you have never given a dime to a campaign before... you just vote for the corporate puppet

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

How does this have anything to do with getting along. Ron Paul is an idiot. His vote total says he is a loser. How is not getting along? IT is a fact and I suppose if you don't like the numbers in the actual votes you may think it's nasty pointing out how futile and stupid it was for Paul even to attempt a run. His spending one dollar on this effort shows he wastes money.

How is insulting people not getting along? I think it speaks for itself. Someone being an "idiot" is never a fact. It's an opinion. As is saying his run was futile and stupid.

He is an idiot for wasting money and time as the vote total shows the run is stupid and futile. So I am correct.

An opinion can't be correct or incorrect.

 

[paulitician]

 

[SniperFire]

It is much bigger than 'reps and dems' training. It is human nature having its way.

Always has been, always will be.

You won't be changing human nature, which means Liberatrianism will NEVER work as a set of real-world governing principles.

Seems you have already admitted that. Now you just need to join us practical conservatives in uniting against the Left before you fuck it up - just like I helped fuck it up by voting Perot before you were even born.

Funny how these nefarious aspects of human nature don't apply to these "practical" republicans.

As a republican, he can discount and make light of republicans supporting welfare, social security and medicare. Ignoring how they destroy the quality of our gov't and economy.

As a small gov't conservative and little l libertarian, I cannot, and am thankful I cannot.

Yours is a pretend system of government that can only exist in the confines of your imagination.

You can't possibly refute it. Libertarians are childish in denial of this simple fact, or as I think in your case, childlike in their naivety.

You choose to simply ignore world history and human nature.

That is the difference, whether you choose to face reality or not.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Funny how these nefarious aspects of human nature don't apply to these "practical" republicans.

As a republican, he can discount and make light of republicans supporting welfare, social security and medicare. Ignoring how they destroy the quality of our gov't and economy.

As a small gov't conservative and little l libertarian, I cannot, and am thankful I cannot.

Yours is a pretend system of government that can only exist in the confines of your imagination.

You can't possibly refute it. Libertarians are childish in denial of this simple fact, or as I think in your case, childlike in their naivety.

You choose to simply ignore world history and human nature.

That is the difference, whether you choose to face reality or not.

You're right, I can only imagine a fiscally responsible libertarian gov't. It's beyond repair, and reps and dems will just keep destroying it. The damage they've done is irreversible imo.

That being the case, I'm still not going to abandon my principles and vote for a big gov't liberty destroying liberal fascist, whether they're masked by a D or R.

 

[paulitician]

As a republican, he can discount and make light of republicans supporting welfare, social security and medicare. Ignoring how they destroy the quality of our gov't and economy.

As a small gov't conservative and little l libertarian, I cannot, and am thankful I cannot.

Yours is a pretend system of government that can only exist in the confines of your imagination.

You can't possibly refute it. Libertarians are childish in denial of this simple fact, or as I think in your case, childlike in their naivety.

You choose to simply ignore world history and human nature.

That is the difference, whether you choose to face reality or not.

You're right, I can only imagine a fiscally responsible libertarian gov't. It's beyond repair, and reps and dems will just keep destroying it. The damage they've done is irreversible imo.

That being the case, I'm still not going to abandon my principles and vote for a big gov't liberty destroying liberal fascist, whether they're masked by a D or R.

 

[Avorysuds]

Funny how these nefarious aspects of human nature don't apply to these "practical" republicans.

As a republican, he can discount and make light of republicans supporting welfare, social security and medicare. Ignoring how they destroy the quality of our gov't and economy.

As a small gov't conservative and little l libertarian, I cannot, and am thankful I cannot.

Yours is a pretend system of government that can only exist in the confines of your imagination.

You can't possibly refute it. Libertarians are childish in denial of this simple fact, or as I think in your case, childlike in their naivety.

You choose to simply ignore world history and human nature.

That is the difference, whether you choose to face reality or not.

Actually everything I understand libertarianism to be about is embracing human nature. Today the Republican party’s elected officials are for the most part Progressive liberals who run as conservatives but have a record that is very closely aligned with Obama. You guys have voted for Mitt, possibly one of the closest “republicans” to Obama that has ever held office.

Good luck in the GE, you’re gonna need all you can get. Hell, even with high UE, high gas prices, unpopular wars and a vastly divided nation Obama still is beating Mitt in bear every poll. Oddly Mitt does about the same in polling as Paul, the difference is everyone says Paul can't win, and calls him names because the last thing the GOP whats to compete with is someone who represents actual Small Government.

You live in an odd world where you think Republicans and Democrats spending us into oblivion while taking our constitutional rights away, slowly, is a good and sustainable thing. Next the GOP you support is right there with the Dems you hate while both sides work to expand the definition of their powers that are well outside the obvious restraints set by the constitution.

You're the kind of guy that claims the Bad parts of the Bush years is when the Democrats were voted in to stop Bush, yet instead they helped Reps in congress Pass nonstop crap and spend insane amounts and Bush put his name on it over and over.


Then again I’d be willing to bet you believe Newt when he says he balanced the budget for 4 years that he was speaker of the house… Then you turn around and claim Clinton left Bush a recession and a massive growing deficit once raiding SS was taken into account...

 

[ThinkCritically]

Funny how these nefarious aspects of human nature don't apply to these "practical" republicans.

As a republican, he can discount and make light of republicans supporting welfare, social security and medicare. Ignoring how they destroy the quality of our gov't and economy.

As a small gov't conservative and little l libertarian, I cannot, and am thankful I cannot.

Yours is a pretend system of government that can only exist in the confines of your imagination.

You can't possibly refute it. Libertarians are childish in denial of this simple fact, or as I think in your case, childlike in their naivety.

You choose to simply ignore world history and human nature.

That is the difference, whether you choose to face reality or not.

I'm still waiting for your response on this one....because it seems to be the last straw you are grasping for...

Again....Why would there be a fascist prevention to prevent local communities from passing laws?

Because Libertarianism would fail as affinity groups began to vote themselves money, just like they are doing now, just like they have always done, and just like they always will do.

Do you need me to attempt to dumb this down?

You are right affinity groups would vote for their own self interest, just like they are doing now, yesterday and today. It is human nature you are right....

So the Libertarian approach to this problem is to minimize the affects of affinity groups by reducing the size, money, and power of the federal government.

Does it solve the problem of human nature? NO.....and no system can or ever will, so criticizing it because "human nature" makes it fallible isn't a very strong argument due to the fact all systems are subject to this "human nature". Basically the "human nature" argument is irrelevant due to the fact all systems of governing will face the same such said "human nature"

and your response to my question "Why would there be a fascist prevention to prevent local communities from passing laws?" is "Because Libertarianism would fail as affinity groups began to vote themselves money". Are you implying that we need fascist prevention to prevent local communities from passing laws, because affinity groups will begin to vote themselves money. Surely not....I am just piecing it together and this is what it sounds like to me please clarify where the problem is?

 

[Paulie]

He is an idiot for wasting money and time as the vote total shows the run is stupid and futile. So I am correct.

Wasting money?

Every penny I ever sent to that guy was in the name of advancing the cause of liberty and getting this over reaching federal bureaucracy the fuck out of our lives.

Since most of you didn't even know who this man was only 5 years ago, I don't think I can say there's been money better spent in my entire life.

Yup donating money to his campaign was some of the best money i've ever spent...

I bet you have never given a dime to a campaign before... you just vote for the corporate puppet

Are you retarded?

 

[Avorysuds]

The issue I'm seeing is SniperFire is your average small L (l)iberal. When confronted with actual restraints per the constitution he will fail over and over to support anything that comes close to living up to it. In fact like your average politically inferior lightweight liberal SniperFire is scared of a conservative.

SniperFire likes to talk about things such as a balanced budget or smaller Government but SniperFire will never vote for that.

 

[Paulie]

Human nature can not be guided and controlled through laws. Eventually people are going to be pushed too far and realize how much freedom you took from them while trying to protect the freedom you were supposedly preventing from being taken from them.

I'm not surprised that there's a huge portion of the population that doesn't want to give up the very system that tucks them in at night and provides them with the only reality they've ever known.

 

[paulitician]

The issue I'm seeing is SniperFire is your average small L (l)iberal. When confronted with actual restraints per the constitution he will fail over and over to support anything that comes close to living up to it. In fact like your average politically inferior lightweight liberal SniperFire is scared of a conservative.

SniperFire likes to talk about things such as a balanced budget or smaller Government but SniperFire will never vote for that.

Yeah, Big Government Globalists are Big Government Globalists. And unfortunately, both Parties are controlled by them. That's why i always say there's no real difference between a Neocon Globalist and a Socialist/Progressive Globalist. They both take you to the same place in the end. Ron Paul just doesn't fit. He'll never be a Big Government Globalist.