Is religious liberty an absolute right?

as far as i'm concerned, women who think someone else should pay for it are. If she pays for it herself, then it's her own private business, and i have no need to form any opinions about her at all.

she is paying for it when she pays her insurance premium

Sure, sweetie. Your premium is ALL that's paying for your health insurance. Your employer isn't putting in ANY money for that. :eusa_liar:

Are you actually stupid enough to believe that, or are you just hoping the rest of us are stupid enough to believe you?

Employees EARN their health insurance coverage by WORKING for it.

The employer pays for it out of the money he OWES the employee.

Why is that so hard for you people to understand?
 
Are women who use birth control 'sluts'?

As far as I'm concerned, women who think someone else should pay for it are. If she pays for it herself, then it's her own private business, and I have no need to form any opinions about her at all.
Isn't she already paying for it, in the form of the money taken out of each paycheck?

As I already said to your comrade, do you really think the premiums are ALL that's paying for health insurance? Would we be having this argument if they were?
 
As if an issue can only be one or the other.
For the GOP it's a political issue.

For the GOP it's a political issue because it's a First Amendment RELIGIOUS issue, you dishonest trite hack.

As was correctly pointed out to you; it's not an either/or. It's both.

It's a 1st Amendment issue that the GOP is wrong on.

Businesses can't invoke religious freedom to exempt themselves from business and labor law.

Businesses are not religions, no matter who runs them.
 
Politically motivated, religiously motivated or morally motivated?
Politically motivated.

None of this is about upholding the moral code of the Catholic Church.

If it was, the GOP would be out there trying to end capital punishment.

Regardless of the reason, does the parent of a minor child have the right to enforce or restrict contraception for their minor child? I damn sure know the government shouldn't be granted that authority over minor children much less adults.
The issue isn't contraceptives for minors.

What does capital punishment have to do with anything? Is anyone out there forcing priests - or any Catholics, for that matter - to execute people?

It's funny for you to be berating someone about "the issue isn't" when you just finished babbling about something the issue DEFINITELY isn't.

By the way, dumbass, we're not trying to "uphold the moral code of the Catholic Church". We're trying to uphold their religious freedom to uphold their own moral code.

I realize this is over your head. No worries.
 
Their right to use or not use contraception is 100% protected by the First Amendment. My right to use or not use contraception depending on my own beliefs is 100% protected by the constitution. The court has already dealt with that issue in Griswold v Connecticut.

However, religious freedom isn't limitless. There are cases where kids are taken away from their parents if certain religious practices are followed. (like santaria cutting crosses into their kids to "cure" them). There have been cases brought against people who let their kids stay sick and/or die by refusing to treat them. These decisions are usually based on an infant's inability to consent and a parent's obligation to protect.

What is guaranteed is that the religious extremists have zero right to impose their belif system on the rest of us....

Which, I assume, is why we are all forced to sit through interminably long, idiotic posts from you that vehemently assert points no one has argued, in order to allegedly prove something that has fuck-all to do with whatever you're asserting.

Call me when this particular issue has ANYTHING to do with "religious extremists ijmposing their belif [sic] system on" anyone . . . that is, other than Obama and other followers of the Church of Fuck All Christians trying to impose THEIR belief on the Catholic Church.

i'm sorry, mistress cecile. i'll try to use smaller words and speak more slowly for your benefit next time, since you clearly have zero comprehension skills.

now feel free to rant on.

It won't help. It's a willful ignorance.
 
she is paying for it when she pays her insurance premium

Sure, sweetie. Your premium is ALL that's paying for your health insurance. Your employer isn't putting in ANY money for that. :eusa_liar:

Are you actually stupid enough to believe that, or are you just hoping the rest of us are stupid enough to believe you?

Employees EARN their health insurance coverage by WORKING for it.

The employer pays for it out of the money he OWES the employee.

Why is that so hard for you people to understand?

interestingly, this entire issue would be moot if we had a single payor system.

just sayin'

notice they don't complain about paying for viagra.
 
As far as I'm concerned, women who think someone else should pay for it are. If she pays for it herself, then it's her own private business, and I have no need to form any opinions about her at all.
Isn't she already paying for it, in the form of the money taken out of each paycheck?

As I already said to your comrade, do you really think the premiums are ALL that's paying for health insurance? Would we be having this argument if they were?

Your gripe......much like every gripe your tightwad ass ever has......is that these women are asking for someone else to pay for their contraception. It has been explained to you that they are...via their participation in the premium payment and their labor......PAYING FOR IT THEMSELVES.

Will you retract your inaccurate statements............ sweetie?
 
Isn't she already paying for it, in the form of the money taken out of each paycheck?

Yes, she and her employer both. Which makes it compensation, to be used as the employee sees fit. She earned the employer’s contribution to health insurance, just like her paycheck.
 
as far as i'm concerned, women who think someone else should pay for it are. If she pays for it herself, then it's her own private business, and i have no need to form any opinions about her at all.

she is paying for it when she pays her insurance premium

Sure, sweetie. Your premium is ALL that's paying for your health insurance. Your employer isn't putting in ANY money for that. :eusa_liar:

Are you actually stupid enough to believe that, or are you just hoping the rest of us are stupid enough to believe you?
That's part of your contract with your employer.
 
Seems to be what the politically motivated Rightwing believes, on this contraceptive issue.

Anyone?

Of course not, but the admin's attempt to interject the issue into Catholic hospitals was unconstitutional. If this were a contest between state and church, in this case church should win.
 
Seems to be what the politically motivated Rightwing believes, on this contraceptive issue.

Anyone?

Of course not, but the admin's attempt to interject the issue into Catholic hospitals was unconstitutional. If this were a contest between state and church, in this case church should win.
A hospital is not a religion, even if a religion runs it. It's a business.

The simple solution is for the Catholics to get out of the business business and stick to churches, and whatever they can do in the community on the money they receive from their parishioners, and stop taking Federal money!
 
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