Is our economy better regulated by liberty or by government?

[Bombur]

This thread is either based on a false dilemma fallacy or it is an attempt to talk about where on the spectrum the ideal balance of government involvement is.

Every major economy has used some balance of the two. There is rather clear evidence that helps establish certain patterns of behavior concerning corporate decision making with and without regulations. For most people this issue is fairly straight forward.

For the ideologically blind this issue is about a fantasy world they created in their own mind.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Common sense says liberty since liberty works through millions of shoppers each day while govt works through a handful of distant bureaucrats each day.

Ok. If liberty, as you call profit making, and corporate America has got almost all of what they want...explain 1970 to present.

dear, you clean forgot to say what about 1970 to the present you want me to explain??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

corporate decision making with and without regulations. .

When Chinese corporations were regulated by liberal govt 60 million slowly starved to death, when they switched to liberty they instantly eliminated 40% of the entire world's poverty.

 

[danielpalos]

corporate decision making with and without regulations. .

When Chinese corporations were regulated by liberal govt 60 million slowly starved to death, when they switched to liberty they instantly eliminated 40% of the entire world's poverty.

You make it seem like capitalism didn't have similar problems:

In 1935, many families were forced to leave their farms and travel to other areas seeking work because of the drought (which at that time had already lasted four years).[20] Dust Bowl conditions fomented an exodus of the displaced from Texas, Oklahoma, and the surrounding Great Plains to adjacent regions. More than 500,000 Americans were left homeless. Over 350 houses had to be torn down after one storm alone.[21] The severe drought and dust storms had left many homeless, others had their mortgages foreclosed by banks, and others felt they had no choice but to abandon their farms in search of work.[22] Many Americans migrated west looking for work. Parents packed up "jalopies" with their families and a few personal belongings, and headed west in search of work.[23] Some residents of the Plains, especially in Kansas and Oklahoma, fell ill and died of dust pneumonia or malnutrition.[18]

Or, that it was a Social response that helped alleviate it:

During President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first 100 days in office in 1933, his administration quickly initiated programs to conserve soil and restore the ecological balance of the nation. Interior Secretary Harold L. Ickes established the Soil Erosion Service in August 1933 under Hugh Hammond Bennett. In 1935, it was transferred and reorganized under the Department of Agriculture and renamed the Soil Conservation Service. It is now known as the Natural Resources Conservation Service (NRCS).[29]

As part of New Deal programs, Congress passed the Soil Conservation and Domestic Allotment Act in 1936, requiring landowners to share the allocated government subsidies with the laborers who worked on their farms. Under the law, "benefit payments were continued as measures for production control and income support, but they were now financed by direct Congressional appropriations and justified as soil conservation measures. The Act shifted the parity goal from price equality of agricultural commodities and the articles that farmers buy to income equality of farm and non-farm population." [30] Thus, the parity goal was to re-create the ratio between the purchasing power of the net income per person on farms from agriculture and that of the income of persons not on farms that prevailed during 1909–1914.
Source: Dust Bowl - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You make it seem like capitalism didn't have similar problems:

In 1935, many families were forced to leave their farms and travel to other areas seeking work because of the drought

dear, capitalism and drought do not mean the same thing. And the drought did not slowly starve 60 million to death like liberalism did.

See why we say slow??

 

[danielpalos]

You make it seem like capitalism didn't have similar problems:

In 1935, many families were forced to leave their farms and travel to other areas seeking work because of the drought

dear, capitalism and drought do not mean the same thing. And the drought did not slowly starve 60 million to death like liberalism did.

See why we say slow??

simply because you omit political strife. it could be like saying, many died during and after our Civil War because we were more Capitalist.

 

[danielpalos]

Everybody should know by now that Capitalists are simply too lazy to have a Social, "hard work" ethic in order to become Angels on Earth who have not the need for the Expense of Government; through that form of Freedom and Individual Liberty.

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.--The Federalist Number Fifty-One

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You make it seem like capitalism didn't have similar problems:

In 1935, many families were forced to leave their farms and travel to other areas seeking work because of the drought

dear, capitalism and drought do not mean the same thing. And the drought did not slowly starve 60 million to death like liberalism did.

See why we say slow??

simply because you omit political strife. it could be like saying, many died during and after our Civil War because we were more Capitalist.

illiterate gibberish why not learn english??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Everybody should know by now that Capitalists are simply too lazy to have a Social, "hard work" ethic in order to become Angels on Earth who have not the need for the Expense of Government; through that form of Freedom and Individual Liberty.

is there anyone on earth who can translate this illiterate idiots liberal writing into English??

 

[danielpalos]

Are you too lazy to improve your reading comprehension through "hard work" or is the federal Doctrine too difficult for the Right.

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.--The Federalist Number Fifty-One

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Are you too lazy to improve your reading comprehension through "hard work" or is the federal Doctrine too difficult for the Right.

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.--The Federalist Number Fifty-One

That always does a great job of explaining, in a nutshell, why we have so many goddamn laws. Men are fucking devils, literally.

 

[evince]

all societies need rules



capitalism quicky kills its self when it has no rules

 

[danielpalos]

Are you too lazy to improve your reading comprehension through "hard work" or is the federal Doctrine too difficult for the Right.

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.--The Federalist Number Fifty-One

That always does a great job of explaining, in a nutshell, why we have so many goddamn laws. Men are fucking devils, literally.

If social morals for free were so easy, even the Capital Right would be on board.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Are you too lazy to improve your reading comprehension through "hard work" or is the federal Doctrine too difficult for the Right.

dear, I'm asking if anyone can translate your gibberish into meaningful English.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

all societies need rules



capitalism quicky kills its self when it has no rules

100% stupid and liberal of course. Capitalism does not exist without rules. You probably meant regulations but lacked the IQ to know it- right?

 

[Windship]

City hall is right down the street from the mall.

Bureaucrats are Americans and they are shoppers.

Seriously? You do know that most shoppers, as in non-political ones, don't make laws that favor some over others. Government interference and foolishly spending tax revenue is the problem, not where they personally shop.

Yes. Why don't we abolish all gov and put corporations in charge of our lives and making the laws.

 

[Windship]

No. I don't think he did but I saw a chance for someone jump at the chance to insult someone.

 

[evince]

all societies need rules



capitalism quicky kills its self when it has no rules

100% stupid and liberal of course. Capitalism does not exist without rules. You probably meant regulations but lacked the IQ to know it- right?

regulations are rules silly git

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

all societies need rules



capitalism quicky kills its self when it has no rules

100% stupid and liberal of course. Capitalism does not exist without rules. You probably meant regulations but lacked the IQ to know it- right?

regulations are rules silly git

too stupid of course!!! how is it possible for capitalism to exist with no rules or regulations?
You said "when it has no rules"

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Yes. Why don't we abolish all gov and put corporations in charge of our lives and making the laws.

not a bad idea given that they do the important things like give us our jobs, create the products that got us from the stone age to here, and enable us to pay our taxes.