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Fox is the only media outlet that does not follow the propaganda line from the democrats. That's why obama declared his little war on Fox, and it follows that the little obamabots would continue to moan and groan about Fox.
You don't believe that their dragging of Rove kicking and screaming to confront reality was doing a good job?Fox is the only media outlet that does not follow the propaganda line from the democrats. That's why obama declared his little war on Fox, and it follows that the little obamabots would continue to moan and groan about Fox.
I think that Fox can provide a valuable service in providing balance to what is clearly a left-leaning (and "leaning" is being charitable) mass media. The point I'm trying to get to (and failing so far) is whether they're doing, on balance, a good job of it, or whether they're actually hurting themselves and conservatism.
I don't think they are doing a good job, and Tuesday night is a shining example of that.
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You don't believe that their dragging of Rove kicking and screaming to confront reality was doing a good job?Fox is the only media outlet that does not follow the propaganda line from the democrats. That's why obama declared his little war on Fox, and it follows that the little obamabots would continue to moan and groan about Fox.
I think that Fox can provide a valuable service in providing balance to what is clearly a left-leaning (and "leaning" is being charitable) mass media. The point I'm trying to get to (and failing so far) is whether they're doing, on balance, a good job of it, or whether they're actually hurting themselves and conservatism.
I don't think they are doing a good job, and Tuesday night is a shining example of that.
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MSNBC is pretty ridiculously bias. All cable news is pretty bad.
MSNBC is pretty ridiculously bias. All cable news is pretty bad.
Yep. It's turned into a caricature all over the place.
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SO, this is where this crap is coming from again,...Liberal-Democrats LOVE Free speech until it doesn't AGREE with them..they are the tyrants in this country
links in article at site
SNIP..
Andrew Sullivan: Fox News has to be demonized and cut off
3:05 AM 11/10/2012
Daily Beast blogger Andrew Sullivan, who seemed to take the ups and downs of President Barack Obamas re-election campaign very personally, said in his Friday night appearance on HBOs Real Time with Bill Maher that the Republican Party should rebuke conservative talker Rush Limbaugh and demonize and cut off the Fox News Channel.
The first conservative who will be the future of that party will be the one that says Rush Limbaugh does not speak for the Republican Party, Sullivan said. He is a poison on the discourse, and until they start you see, the media-industrial complex on the right is so lucrative they dont want to lose it. And it is now controlling a political party. That has to be severed. Fox News has to be demonized and cut off.
That remark drew the objection of the shows lone conservative, MSNBCs The Cycle co-host S.E. Cupp, who questioned Sullivans premise on free speech grounds. However, the other panelist on the show, CNNs James Carville, insisted Limbaugh and Fox News should stay around in order to help Democrats continue their electoral success.
all of it here
Read more: Andrew Sullivan: Fox News has to be demonized and cut off | The Daily Caller
SO, this is where this crap is coming from again,...Liberal-Democrats LOVE Free speech until it doesn't AGREE with them..they are the tyrants in this country
links in article at site
SNIP..
Andrew Sullivan: Fox News has to be demonized and cut off
3:05 AM 11/10/2012
Daily Beast blogger Andrew Sullivan, who seemed to take the ups and downs of President Barack Obamas re-election campaign very personally, said in his Friday night appearance on HBOs Real Time with Bill Maher that the Republican Party should rebuke conservative talker Rush Limbaugh and demonize and cut off the Fox News Channel.
The first conservative who will be the future of that party will be the one that says Rush Limbaugh does not speak for the Republican Party, Sullivan said. He is a poison on the discourse, and until they start you see, the media-industrial complex on the right is so lucrative they dont want to lose it. And it is now controlling a political party. That has to be severed. Fox News has to be demonized and cut off.
That remark drew the objection of the shows lone conservative, MSNBCs The Cycle co-host S.E. Cupp, who questioned Sullivans premise on free speech grounds. However, the other panelist on the show, CNNs James Carville, insisted Limbaugh and Fox News should stay around in order to help Democrats continue their electoral success.
all of it here
Read more: Andrew Sullivan: Fox News has to be demonized and cut off | The Daily Caller
He's as "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) as Fake Malarkey.And Andrew Sullivan is a conservative.
SO, this is where this crap is coming from again,...Liberal-Democrats LOVE Free speech until it doesn't AGREE with them..they are the tyrants in this country
links in article at site
SNIP..
Andrew Sullivan: ‘Fox News has to be demonized and cut off’
3:05 AM 11/10/2012
Daily Beast blogger Andrew Sullivan, who seemed to take the ups and downs of President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign very personally, said in his Friday night appearance on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher” that the Republican Party should rebuke conservative talker Rush Limbaugh and “demonize and cut off” the Fox News Channel.
“The first conservative who will be the future of that party will be the one that says Rush Limbaugh does not speak for the Republican Party,” Sullivan said. “He is a poison on the discourse, and until they start — you see, the media-industrial complex on the right is so lucrative they don’t want to lose it. And it is now controlling a political party. That has to be severed. Fox News has to be demonized and cut off.”
That remark drew the objection of the show’s lone conservative, MSNBC’s “The Cycle” co-host S.E. Cupp, who questioned Sullivan’s premise on free speech grounds. However, the other panelist on the show, CNN’s James Carville, insisted Limbaugh and Fox News should stay around in order to help Democrats continue their electoral success.
all of it here
Read more: Andrew Sullivan: ‘Fox News has to be demonized and cut off’ | The Daily Caller
And Andrew Sullivan is a conservative.
SO, this is where this crap is coming from again,...Liberal-Democrats LOVE Free speech until it doesn't AGREE with them..they are the tyrants in this country
links in article at site
SNIP..
Andrew Sullivan: Fox News has to be demonized and cut off
3:05 AM 11/10/2012
Daily Beast blogger Andrew Sullivan, who seemed to take the ups and downs of President Barack Obamas re-election campaign very personally, said in his Friday night appearance on HBOs Real Time with Bill Maher that the Republican Party should rebuke conservative talker Rush Limbaugh and demonize and cut off the Fox News Channel.
The first conservative who will be the future of that party will be the one that says Rush Limbaugh does not speak for the Republican Party, Sullivan said. He is a poison on the discourse, and until they start you see, the media-industrial complex on the right is so lucrative they dont want to lose it. And it is now controlling a political party. That has to be severed. Fox News has to be demonized and cut off.
That remark drew the objection of the shows lone conservative, MSNBCs The Cycle co-host S.E. Cupp, who questioned Sullivans premise on free speech grounds. However, the other panelist on the show, CNNs James Carville, insisted Limbaugh and Fox News should stay around in order to help Democrats continue their electoral success.
all of it here
Read more: Andrew Sullivan: Fox News has to be demonized and cut off | The Daily Caller
And Andrew Sullivan is a conservative.
SO, this is where this crap is coming from again,...Liberal-Democrats LOVE Free speech until it doesn't AGREE with them..they are the tyrants in this country
links in article at site
SNIP..
Andrew Sullivan: Fox News has to be demonized and cut off
3:05 AM 11/10/2012
Daily Beast blogger Andrew Sullivan, who seemed to take the ups and downs of President Barack Obamas re-election campaign very personally, said in his Friday night appearance on HBOs Real Time with Bill Maher that the Republican Party should rebuke conservative talker Rush Limbaugh and demonize and cut off the Fox News Channel.
The first conservative who will be the future of that party will be the one that says Rush Limbaugh does not speak for the Republican Party, Sullivan said. He is a poison on the discourse, and until they start you see, the media-industrial complex on the right is so lucrative they dont want to lose it. And it is now controlling a political party. That has to be severed. Fox News has to be demonized and cut off.
That remark drew the objection of the shows lone conservative, MSNBCs The Cycle co-host S.E. Cupp, who questioned Sullivans premise on free speech grounds. However, the other panelist on the show, CNNs James Carville, insisted Limbaugh and Fox News should stay around in order to help Democrats continue their electoral success.
all of it here
Read more: Andrew Sullivan: Fox News has to be demonized and cut off | The Daily Caller
Yes, I think that's one of the places I saw it this morning. So I came here with an honest question, and folks got all emotional. Again, I would think that those who like Fox and the GOP would want what is best for them, but I just can't seem to engage anyone here in civil, mature, honest discussion of my very, very direct question.
My fault. Maybe I should have waited until things cooled down a bit. This is ridiculous.
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Democrats think that what's best for the GOP is to become democrats. That's what's best for them.
SO, this is where this crap is coming from again,...Liberal-Democrats LOVE Free speech until it doesn't AGREE with them..they are the tyrants in this country
links in article at site
SNIP..
Andrew Sullivan: Fox News has to be demonized and cut off
3:05 AM 11/10/2012
Daily Beast blogger Andrew Sullivan, who seemed to take the ups and downs of President Barack Obamas re-election campaign very personally, said in his Friday night appearance on HBOs Real Time with Bill Maher that the Republican Party should rebuke conservative talker Rush Limbaugh and demonize and cut off the Fox News Channel.
The first conservative who will be the future of that party will be the one that says Rush Limbaugh does not speak for the Republican Party, Sullivan said. He is a poison on the discourse, and until they start you see, the media-industrial complex on the right is so lucrative they dont want to lose it. And it is now controlling a political party. That has to be severed. Fox News has to be demonized and cut off.
That remark drew the objection of the shows lone conservative, MSNBCs The Cycle co-host S.E. Cupp, who questioned Sullivans premise on free speech grounds. However, the other panelist on the show, CNNs James Carville, insisted Limbaugh and Fox News should stay around in order to help Democrats continue their electoral success.
all of it here
Read more: Andrew Sullivan: Fox News has to be demonized and cut off | The Daily Caller
Yes, I think that's one of the places I saw it this morning. So I came here with an honest question, and folks got all emotional. Again, I would think that those who like Fox and the GOP would want what is best for them, but I just can't seem to engage anyone here in civil, mature, honest discussion of my very, very direct question.
My fault. Maybe I should have waited until things cooled down a bit. This is ridiculous.
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cry us a fucking river whydonchya?
SO, this is where this crap is coming from again,...Liberal-Democrats LOVE Free speech until it doesn't AGREE with them..they are the tyrants in this country
links in article at site
SNIP..
Andrew Sullivan: ‘Fox News has to be demonized and cut off’
3:05 AM 11/10/2012
Daily Beast blogger Andrew Sullivan, who seemed to take the ups and downs of President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign very personally, said in his Friday night appearance on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher” that the Republican Party should rebuke conservative talker Rush Limbaugh and “demonize and cut off” the Fox News Channel.
“The first conservative who will be the future of that party will be the one that says Rush Limbaugh does not speak for the Republican Party,” Sullivan said. “He is a poison on the discourse, and until they start — you see, the media-industrial complex on the right is so lucrative they don’t want to lose it. And it is now controlling a political party. That has to be severed. Fox News has to be demonized and cut off.”
That remark drew the objection of the show’s lone conservative, MSNBC’s “The Cycle” co-host S.E. Cupp, who questioned Sullivan’s premise on free speech grounds. However, the other panelist on the show, CNN’s James Carville, insisted Limbaugh and Fox News should stay around in order to help Democrats continue their electoral success.
all of it here
Read more: Andrew Sullivan: ‘Fox News has to be demonized and cut off’ | The Daily Caller
Yes, I think that's one of the places I saw it this morning. So I came here with an honest question, and folks got all emotional. Again, I would think that those who like Fox and the GOP would want what is best for them, but I just can't seem to engage anyone here in civil, mature, honest discussion of my very, very direct question.
My fault. Maybe I should have waited until things cooled down a bit. This is ridiculous.
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In the aftermath of The Great GOP Meltdown of 2012, I've now seen a couple of articles asking this question as the party begins a little self-inspection. Wow, never would I have expected this.
(Well, at least SOME of the party is doing some self-inspection. The rest of it is doubling down, proudly remaining in abject denial. But that's for a different thread)
Fox played a big part in the party somehow convincing itself that Romney was going to win in a landslide. It essentially created an information cocoon for conservatives, where no light was getting in, where the bad information inside the cocoon was allowed to fester and grow. The result? Conservatives were shocked at the outcome; no one else was.
So would the GOP be better off if Fox never existed? Or if it changed its approach and stopped being such a weird cartoon act? Is Fox hurting the GOP?
(And by the way, don't divert to MSNBC. I agree it's gone completely over the cliff for the Left. This is about Fox, how it created its own little world, and why the Right was so stunned by the election results)
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Conservatives were shocked at the outcome; no one else was
So would the GOP be better off if Fox never existed? Or if it changed its approach and stopped being such a weird cartoon act? Is Fox hurting the GOP?
