Is copyright too long?

[Revere]

Paul F. McCartney talks a socialist game, but he's not giving away his catalogue of licensed music to the public domain. He doesn't even license any Beatles music on Napster.

 

[JBeukema]

You should have a say in who gets those future profits

How can I have any say in who collects all my posts from here on USMB, binds them in a volume, and sells them in their store after I'm dead? And how would they be depriving me of anything at all or harming me in any way by doing so?

It is your idea/property, you should have a say in who inherits it, profits from it, and controls it.

I do. Then I die. Then, by your reasoning, the rest of America can never see their Constitution because I was a FF and we wrote it and it still belongs to us.

 

[JBeukema]

I know what intellectual property is, dumbass.

And it's not the same physical property.

The courts draw distinctions between them- and within intellectual property between patents, copyrights, and trade secrets.

 

[uscitizen]

Where on Earth did you get that?


We're talking about copyright, you idiot.


We're not discussing the inheritance of real property.

Two very different issues in reality and in the courts.

copyrights are property. They can be used as collateral for finiancial deals and such.

 

[uscitizen]

Is this an age thing having to do with illegal music and such downloads on the net?
Has that deterioriated the god given sanctity of the copyright?

 

[Luissa]

You should have a say in who gets those future profits

How can I have any say in who collects all my posts from here on USMB, binds them in a volume, and sells them in their store after I'm dead? And how would they be depriving me of anything at all or harming me in any way by doing so?

It is your idea/property, you should have a say in who inherits it, profits from it, and controls it.

I do. Then I die. Then, by your reasoning, the rest of America can never see their Constitution because I was a FF and we wrote it and it still belongs to us.

It's not my problem if you don't copyright your stuff.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

How can you inherit an idea or a concept?

I can hand you my car and house keys before I die. How can i hand you the words I spoke or wrote 30 years ago that are floating around the web, written in books around the world, and resonating in people's heads?

Because the ideas, concepts, and words were never expressed in that way before, and thus you own the copyright for that exact pattern. If someone can express them in a completely different method, then they can apply for another copyright.

But you don't exist anymore. You haven't existed for decades. How can you own anything at all?

Because that copyright is as tangible as a car, house, piano or cat as far as inheritance rights are concerned.

 

[Luissa]

I know what intellectual property is, dumbass.

And it's not the same physical property.

The courts draw distinctions between them- and within intellectual property between patents, copyrights, and trade secrets.

Grow up.
I don't care if the court treats them differently, it doesn't mean it is not your property.

 

[Luissa]

Where on Earth did you get that?


We're talking about copyright, you idiot.


We're not discussing the inheritance of real property.

Two very different issues in reality and in the courts.

copyrights are property. They can be used as collateral for finiancial deals and such.

Exactly! A person can gain part of the profits from copyrighted music, etc in a divorce.

 

[JBeukema]

So the entire world should be barred from accessing the Second Treatise without paying some random person who's done absolutely nothing because their great-great uncle wrote it?

 

[Luissa]

So the entire world should be barred from accessing the Second Treatise without paying some random person who's done absolutely nothing because their great-great uncle wrote it?

Think of it like inheriting shares in a corporation when your family member dies. You are gaining shares in an idea, book, song, whatever. It is your right to get a say in who makes profits off of it.
If I wrote a book, or bought a home, it is still my property, and I have the right to say who gets to profit off that property in the future.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Do we really need a copyright to be in effect for 70 years after you die? Does your grandchild deserve royalties for a book you wrote 100 years ago? How does retroactively extending copyright for The Great Gatsby promote science and useful arts and stand to what the F wrote about ex post facto laws in the Constitution?

Are you worried about getting caught plagiarizing someone's work? If not, why worry about it?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I can hand you the keys to my home.


How can I hand you words that are floating in other peoples' heads?


We're not discussing the inheritance of real property. The two matters are not the same in reality or in the law.

That is why one is called real property, and the other intellectual property. Do you think that the thought behind something is worth less than simply because you cannot think for yourself? What if you manage to actually come up with an original thought? Would you want that to go to someone else who makes money off it and ignores your contribution?

 

[ConHog]

You should have a say in who gets those future profits

How can I have any say in who collects all my posts from here on USMB, binds them in a volume, and sells them in their store after I'm dead? And how would they be depriving me of anything at all or harming me in any way by doing so?

It is your idea/property, you should have a say in who inherits it, profits from it, and controls it.

I do. Then I die. Then, by your reasoning, the rest of America can never see their Constitution because I was a FF and we wrote it and it still belongs to us.

It's not my problem if you don't copyright your stuff.

Our posts on this message board are the intellectual property of the owner of this board, not our own. If you read the TOS that is in there somewhere. Not that any of us are likely to make a profit off our ramblings on here.

 

[JBeukema]

What if you manage to actually come up with an original thought? Would you want that to go to someone else who makes money off it and ignores your contribution?

I died 20 years ago. Or 30. Or 70.

What harm does it do me if someone takes my stageplay and bases a film off of it?

 

[California Girl]

How can you own anything 70 years after you die?

so you do not believe in inheritance?

You support 100% inheritance tax?

How can you inherit an idea or a concept?

I can hand you my car and house keys before I die. How can i hand you the words I spoke or wrote 30 years ago that are floating around the web, written in books around the world, and resonating in people's heads?

It's not long enough. People have the right to pass on what they created to whomever they choose.

 

[xotoxi]

All works of music and literature should become the property of the US Government upon one's death.

That way it will be easier to control thoughts and might be profitable to boot.

 

[JBeukema]

So when things go into the public domain, that's evil socialism stealing dead people's hard-earned work and denying people who did jack shit what they deserve for someone else's hard work?

 

[ConHog]

So when things go into the public domain, that's evil socialism stealing dead people's hard-earned work and denying people who did jack shit what they deserve for someone else's hard work?

No, because things enter the public domain because their creators, or their progeny, have chosen to let them enter the public domain. The government can't , and doesn't , just say okay this book is in the public domain now, for instance.

Clearly you just don't understand the concept of intellectual property.

 

[Paulie]

Why should your right to own what you created ever expire?

How can you own anything 70 years after you die?

I get to leave any of my other property to family after I die, why not my intellectual property?